[Archived] 2 Million Unemployed By Christmas

[thenodrog]

If thats the case then who will create more businesses which ultimately creates more jobs?

Jimmk2 must have really hated Jack Walker. All that money made then off to Jersey to shield it from the Taxman who would only have squandered it on assorted unemployable asylum seekers, sink estate skivers and economic migrants so that instead he could actually use it to develop an airline, plough millions into industrial properties and resurrect BRFC for the benefit of the entire town.

How does that square with you Wolfy?

[adopted scouser]

Jim must have really hated Jack Walker. All that money made then off to Jersey to shield it from the Taxman so that instead of sitting there counting it all day he could actually use it to resurrect BRFC for the benefit of the entire town.

How does that square with you Wolfy?

Boom !

[thenodrog]

If thats the case then who will create more businesses which ultimately creates more jobs?

Jim must have really hated Jack Walker. All that money made then off to Jersey to shield it from the Taxman who would only have squandered it on assorted unemployable asylum seekers, sink estate skivers and economic migrants so that instead he could actually use it to develop an airline, plough millions into industrial properties and resurrect BRFC for the benefit of the entire town.

How does that square with you Wolfy?

[Mattyblue]

Hypocritical socialists gord? Nay!

[Amo]

Surely it's proven that taxing the hell outta the rich DOESN'T WORK, which is why so many of them have it tucked away in offshore accounts? It all sounds very righteous and Robin Hood-esque to tax a higher percentage to the rich, but it's ultimately flawed and inequitable.

[SouthAussieRover]

You still haven't a qustion knobrog...do you use protection?

[Ozz]

More reduncacies likely as Royal Preston and Chorley and South Ribble Hospitals need to cut £50M over the next three years. "Managers say that at this stage there are no plans for compulsory redundancies, but there will be a reduction in headcount as they attempt to cut their pay bill."

Make Sure you don't get ill anytime soon.

[SAS]

They'll just lose the numbers by people naturally leaving/ progressing. I think a lot of companies are doing it.

On a separate note in the LT last month it showed the massive difference in sick days between private sector and public.

Hospital staff being the worst at an average 11 suck days a year compared to 6 in the private.

Maybe productivity is something they could look at.

I find it hard to comprehend this 11 days a year. I've had one sick day in 6 years.

[BiggusLaddus]

Yes but bear in mind that your job doesn't routinely surround you with sick people.

[thenodrog]

Yes but bear in mind that your job doesn't routinely surround you with sick people.

My wife's position does and she's not had even 1 day off sick in 12 years! (bit of a workaholic mind cos last year she walked 3-4 miles through the snow to get in to work.) So given the way the law of averages works some 'sick notes' must be taking more than 11.

[SuperCat]

My wife's position does and she's not had even 1 day off sick in 12 years! (bit of a workaholic mind cos last year she walked 3-4 miles through the snow to get in to work.) So given the way the law of averages works some 'sick notes' must be taking more than 11.

You, my friend, must be cr@p company.

[colin]

Jimmk2 must have really hated Jack Walker. All that money made then off to Jersey to shield it from the Taxman who would only have squandered it on assorted unemployable asylum seekers, sink estate skivers and economic migrants so that instead he could actually use it to develop an airline, plough millions into industrial properties and resurrect BRFC for the benefit of the entire town.

How does that square with you Wolfy?

Well, that one way of looking at it. Another way would be to say that Jack Walker made his millions from the backs of ordinary Blackburn men and women who he paid (say) £5 pounds an hour and made £7 an hour from their labour.

He must have done this to make his millions. No problems there.

Once he sold up to British Steel he decamped to Jersey where he avoided paying taxes for "assorted unemployable asylum seekers, sink estate skivers and economic migrants" but also, don't forget, he also avoided paying taxes for the Armed Forces; the disabled; the NHS; the fire brigade; the police; schools; school crossing patrols; the bloke who picks up the litter on the streets; & the people who empty our bins. And perhaps giving you & I a penny off our income tax or VAT. No, he kept it for himself. It did him bu**er all though. You can't buy off cancer can you?

I know that, as Rovers' supporters, we have a massive debt to Jack Walker. But let's not forget he went to Jersey to escape his taxes that he could well afford. These were taxes that he perhaps should have been aware of that helped him get to where he was.

Now he's dead, where has all the money he's saved gone to? Now there's a query.

[thenodrog]

Well, that one way of looking at it. Another way would be to say that Jack Walker made his millions from the backs of ordinary Blackburn men and women who he paid (say) £5 pounds an hour and made £7 an hour from their labour.

He must have done this to make his millions. No problems there.

Do I detect a lingering resentment there Colin? I think I do you know.

Tell you what Colin, if it's so simple and there's a couple of million unemployed in this country, earning £0 per hour for doing nowt, and you have such a strong social conscience then YOU go and employ them all at the minimum wage and give their life some meaning and restore them with dignity and self respect, then YOU charge em out at £2 per hour more, YOU make as many millions as you can then flerk off to a tax haven before flying off to Pune to buy out the Venkey Mob before flying back to buy Messi and Rooney for BRFC and I don't think you will encounter one serious objector on here. The way you put it it must be as easy as falling off a log.

btw Business rates, 2 million people paying income tax and NHI contributions plus the same 2 million people able to pay community charge and off the benefits gravy train, Corporation tax (that nowt to do with free buses btw), VAT etc etc .

I think the Walkers put plenty into the nations coffers don't you? Quite pProbably more than the lot of us on here combined.

You, my friend, must be cr@p company.

Not really that Cat.... I just need her out of the house for when the girlfriend comes around.

Hospital staff being the worst at an average 11 suck days a year compared to 6 in the private.

Bloody hell SAS!!!! I've just cancelled my Private Health Insurance!!!

[jim mk2]

Good old Jack ..... made himself a hundreds of millions on the sweat and hard labour of ordinary Blackburn folk while paying them a pittance and then cleared off to Jersey to evade his taxes. Wouldn't have expected anything less of a Tory voter. Still, at least Rovers benefited from all the tax he evaded so everyone is happy.

[tashor]

Good old Jack ..... made himself a hundreds of millions on the sweat and hard labour of ordinary Blackburn folk while paying them a pittance and then cleared off to Jersey to evade his taxes. Wouldn't have expected anything less of a Tory voter. Still, at least Rovers benefited from all the tax he evaded so everyone is happy.

Apart from you, you old curmudgeon ..............................................

...................the good thing about being unemployed is that you have no evil boss hence you are your own master and are exploited by nobody

[thenodrog]

Good old Jack ..... made himself a hundreds of millions on the sweat and hard labour of ordinary Blackburn folk while paying them a pittance and then cleared off to Jersey to evade his taxes. Wouldn't have expected anything less of a Tory voter. Still, at least Rovers benefited from all the tax he evaded so everyone is happy.

Plenty of jobs back then. Anybody who didn't like the terms and conditions could just give a weeks notice, pack in and get another job in no time.

For those that stayed his enterprise paid their mortgages, their motoring, their holidays and their entertainment, all after they had paid for the food on the table. All this from a bloke who started life not with a silver spoon but from a terraced house in Little Harwood. He 'got on', you didn't, get over it.

Or tell us what is your real agenda against Jack Walker?

[jim mk2]

No problem with those who "get on" ... only those who do not pay a fair wage and evade taxes. Filled in your tax form yet Alf ?

[colin]

Do I detect a lingering resentment there Colin? I think I do you know.

Tell you what Colin, if it's so simple and there's a couple of million unemployed in this country, earning £0 per hour for doing nowt, and you have such a strong social conscience then YOU go and employ them all at the minimum wage and give their life some meaning and restore them with dignity and self respect, then YOU charge em out at £2 per hour more, YOU make as many millions as you can then flerk off to a tax haven before flying off to Pune to buy out the Venkey Mob before flying back to buy Messi and Rooney for BRFC and I don't think you will encounter one serious objector on here. The way you put it it must be as easy as falling off a log.

btw Business rates, 2 million people paying income tax and NHI contributions plus the same 2 million people able to pay community charge and off the benefits gravy train, Corporation tax (that nowt to do with free buses btw), VAT etc etc .

I think the Walkers put plenty into the nations coffers don't you? Quite pProbably more than the lot of us on here combined.

Thenodog, possibly one of your better ad hominem/illogical/irrational rants yet. But......

1 Jack Walker was the best thing that ever happened to Rovers.

2 Jack Walker was a tax avoider.

Those are two very simple, non-contradictory facts. Please don't insult my, & your undoubtably interesting intelligence levels by posting "well why don't you just... blah blah ....." rants. It makes you sound a bit like a ten year old having a spat in the playground.

[thenodrog]

2 Jack Walker was a tax avoider.

1. Did he do anything illegal YES or NO? Tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is not. If he was not prosecuted for tax fraud / evasion then you are attempting to besmirch an innocent man who satisfied the rules imposed by HMRC. This does you no credit.

2. Paying as little tax as possible within the rules is most definitely NOT a crime. Everybody who is able to do it does so by simply following the advice of their accountants. All rules are put in place by HMRC. You make it sound like it is one of the seven deadly sins.

3. If he had not taken legal measures to minimise his tax burden by moving to Jersey the govt would no doubt have taken it, wasted it, BwD would never have seen it and BRFC would have missed out on 20 glorious years in our history. Instead we'd still be lurking around the lower divisions with no one outside of this country ever having heard of Blackburn. (..... Oh wait!)

4. Besides BRFC many companies and many people have benefitted from the wealth created by the Walker family. That 333 million has not sat in a swiss bank vault has it? It's funded and is funding many different businesses, all of whom pay tax and employ people who also pay tax. You and Jim just do not understand wealth creation do you? (Oddly enough binning the 50% tax rate was discussed in some depth on the Andrew Marr show today. You should watch it on BBC iPlayer and educate yourself to the facts of financial reallity.)

Finally.... I'd think much more of you and Jim if you had stood on your outdated socialist principles and stayed away from Ewood instead of jumping on the gravy train and enjoying the proceeds provided by the foresight of Walker Steel accountants to the full. To whinge now is churlish, your irrational bitterness is simply eating away at you.

[SouthAussieRover]

I dont want to start a new thread.

However, tonight I wish the normal Syrian people all the best in their struggle vs the oppressive state they in live in

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[thenodrog]

I dont want to start a new thread.

However, tonight I wish the normal Syrian people all the best in their struggle vs the oppressive state they in live in

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Indeed but it might be more appropriate here Don .. http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php/topic/24211-mubarak-gone/page__st__40

[SouthAussieRover]

Thanks.

Must be handy having access to the search facility.

[thenodrog]

Thanks.

Must be handy having access to the search facility.

I haven't.

[SouthAussieRover]

I haven't.

Thanks all the same.

[colin]

Thenodrog,

I do know the difference between "tax evasion" & "tax avoidance." Which is why quoted the latter. So no need for your reply.

Jack Walker did his move to Jersey and his tax avoidance after he got Walker Steel up and running, so your potted history of his business is not really relevant. We can all read it on this web site anyway thanks to other contributers. Notably FLB.

Just one thing though, you commented that:

Finally.... I'd think much more of you and Jim if you had stood on your outdated socialist principles and stayed away from Ewood instead of jumping on the gravy train and enjoying the proceeds provided by the foresight of Walker Steel accountants to the full. To whinge now is churlish, your irrational bitterness is simply eating away at you.

I can't speak for Jim (although I suspect he is well able to speak for himself) but I attended my first match at Ewood in 1962. So I take umbrage at some internet keyboard idiot (you) telling me what I should or should not do; nor to describe my comments as "irrational bitterness."

BTW, Walker Steel acoountants wouldn't have let Uncle Jack within a mile of him sinking so much money into Rovers. It was Jack's personal and private choice.

So think on before you get really angry and insult your fellow poster again.

Take more water with it next time you post.

Cheers