[Archived] Paul's Progress

[thenodrog]

Ince Warns Fans To Expect Tough Season

I believe that I did that..... almost 3 months ago now.

Paul Ince-Stop with the eyebrows thing please.

I dont think he'll be able to. It's as annoying as Gordon Browns strange gulping before speaking.

[Martin]

I can't believe how much rubbish is appearing on this thread. And from posters I usually find to have a good grasp of all things Rovers.

First point: Ince is not comfortable with a camera in front of him. He says the wrong things he needs coaching. It's up to JW and the communications team at Rovers to sort this. A problem that is easily solved. I think Ince knows what he wants to say he just doesn't have the articulacy to get his point across. The result is a random babbling.

Second point: Ince needs to be given time. We pride ourselves on stability. He needs a fair chance. He is not getting it at the moment.

Third point: For the first time in many years we are looking to play attractive football. We are giving the kids a chance. We are making substitutions to win games. Granted we aren't defending but things could be much, much worse.

Fourth Point: Whether he was your first, fifth or last choice as manager get behind him. He either adds value to the club and stays. Or he doesn't and he'll be moved on.

Final Point: I am proud to support Blackburn Rovers because I like to think our club is a little different, from the chairman through to the fans. At the moment some of the fans are not being very Blackburn Rovers like. It's sad.

[thenodrog]

Final Point: I am proud to support Blackburn Rovers because I like to think our club is a little different, from the chairman through to the fans. At the moment some of the fans are not being very Blackburn Rovers like. It's sad.

Rubbish! Are you kidding?!!! Rovers fans are well known for grumbling! I can personally bear witness that we've excelled at it since 1960!

And your third point really is nonsense. The newly held belief that we never played attractive football before Ince is absolute ######.... but it does appear to be spreading amongst the goldfish.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

Rubbish! Are you kidding?!!! Rovers fans are well known for grumbling! I can personally bear witness that we've excelled at it since 1960!

'Whinge when were winning' 'We only Whinge when were winning' is Rovers Fans most appropiate chant.

BTW, Martin you are spot on

[thenodrog]

'Whinge when were winning' 'We only Whinge when were winning' is Rovers Fans most appropiate chant.

BTW, Martin you are spot on

If you think Martins third point is spot on then it's a good job you only live a short walk away from Ewood...... otherwise you forget the way home.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

If you think Martins third point is spot on then it's a good job you only live a short walk away from Ewood...... otherwise you forget the way home.

To me what he is saying is spot on. Would Carlos had played under Hughes...nope he would still be in Chile. Vision and creativity in a Rovers shirt no can't have that. Send him back now!

[imy9]

Rubbish! Are you kidding?!!! Rovers fans are well known for grumbling! I can personally bear witness that we've excelled at it since 1960!

And your third point really is nonsense. The newly held belief that we never played attractive football before Ince is absolute ######.... but it does appear to be spreading amongst the goldfish.

Ofcourse we have been renknowned for attractive football.... when exactly?

Under Souey?

Hughes and the 'bully boy' tag in year 1 and 2 or the medicocrity in year 4, take your pick.

We got results under Hughes, watching paint dry was more interesting than the majority of rubbish we witnessed last year.

Ince has openly said he is trying to play a different way, this will take time. I agree with the poster who said Carlos would never have been signed by Hughes, nor would Treacy be given a chance on the left side of midfield.

[thenodrog]

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[Mr Creosote]

As excellent a manager as Mark Hughes was for us the signs that all was not well with his regime were writ large towards the end of last season. I think we would have needed a period of transition even if he had stayed, his departure simply emphasised that.

Paul Ince clearly isn't comfortable with a microphone under is nose and probably will never be one of the game's great orators. His candour has arguably been ill advised although some will be impressed with his Keegan like honesty.

There are things about his work that worry me and other aspects that I am encouraged by.

One thing is for certain in my opinion, there is NO WAY that Mark Hughes would have finished a game with Tugay AND Villanueva on the same pitch.

[thenodrog]

Ofcourse we have been renknowned for attractive football.... when exactly?

Under Souey?

Hughes and the 'bully boy' tag in year 1 and 2 or the medicocrity in year 4, take your pick.

We got results under Hughes, watching paint dry was more interesting than the majority of rubbish we witnessed last year.

Ince has openly said he is trying to play a different way, this will take time. I agree with the poster who said Carlos would never have been signed by Hughes, nor would Treacy be given a chance on the left side of midfield.

Eh? Yes certainly under Souness! The last couple of seasons were poor obviously, but I rem we played some of the most attractive football in recent years in that promotion season. Jansen, Dunn and Duff all in the same team and with Berkowitz pulling the strings and yet you apparently cannot rem that! C'mon imy get real and let the scales from your eyes.

Once the first season of a necessary 4-5-1 formation was out of the way Hughes team too played good football. 4-4-2 with 2 widemen andv two strikers is positive enough for most people. But rem if you have brickies you need hod carriers too ..... ask Juande Ramos!

[Hasta]

We were very attractive under Souness at times, maybe a bit too cavalier.

However last year under Hughes was dire, especially the mid part of the season. Hughes was just good enough to ensure we carried on picking up points despite poor performances.

[dr_awol]

One thing is for certain in my opinion, there is NO WAY that Mark Hughes would have finished a game with Tugay AND Villanueva on the same pitch.

true.

This game would have finished 0-0 and we would have been complaining that we would have won this game if MH had changed something in the 2nd half, but i think under MH we would had more chance of getting some points from the WH or Arsenal game.

ince has changed the team a lot in a short time, we had four new players from last season. in this game Robinson, Simpson, Andrews, Treacy and a new super sub Villanueva, so it will take time for tthem to gel.

[thenodrog]

true.

This game would have finished 0-0 and we would have been complaining that we would have won this game if MH had changed something in the 2nd half, but i think under MH we would had more chance of getting some points from the WH or Arsenal game.

Bentley on the right rather than Ped would like as not have brought about Fulhams downfall. He was our best player and one that we have not replaced by miles. Only when I see Andrews name of the England team sheet forcing me to drop my pants on the Town Hall steps will I change my mind.

[Bennisfromheaven]

Bentley on the right rather than Ped would like as not have brought about Fulhams downfall. He was our best player and one that we have not replaced by miles. Only when I see Andrews name of the England team sheet forcing me to drop my pants on the Town Hall steps will I change my mind.

Bit of a cop out since andrews is Irish!! How about you do it if he gets on the Ireland team, those odds would have shortened conciderably with the average players ireland have these days!!

[dr_awol]

Bentley on the right rather than Ped would like as not have brought about Fulhams downfall. He was our best player and one that we have not replaced by miles. Only when I see Andrews name of the England team sheet forcing me to drop my pants on the Town Hall steps will I change my mind.

i hope villanueva is the Bentley replacement only through the centre.

Andrews starting for Ireland, lol, you would have to drop ur pants while presenting ince/andrews with the key to blackburn. not sure i like where my mind is going with this...

he does play for blackburn now, it might not be that long before he gets in the irish squad

[mark1875]

incey is making good progress, it will take time. we have played 5 games in the premiership now and have a nice points total. we did the job in the carling cup, and avoided the banana skin which has slipped us up quite often in the past. out of the 5 games in the premiership, we have played 4 teams who were in it last term, arsenal (h) everton (a) west ham (a) fulham (h) and picked up 6 points in those 4 matches, in the same 4 fixtures last season we only picked up 3 points from those 4 matches.

he is doing okay, lets all remain behind him!

[imy9]

Bentley on the right rather than Ped would like as not have brought about Fulhams downfall. He was our best player and one that we have not replaced by miles. Only when I see Andrews name of the England team sheet forcing me to drop my pants on the Town Hall steps will I change my mind.

Andrews is Irish but dont let that stop you from dropping your pants...

Championship football is not the same as Premiership football, I agree we played some lovely stuff in that promotion season but it was a different division.

May be wrong but didnt Bentley play against Fulham last year, what was the score? That was a team on the downward spiral, this one was on a winning run...

Three out of four seasons with Hughes we played average football, with the last one being the poorest, Ince has stated from day one, he wants to play attractive football and wants his team to entertain, did Hughes ever say that?

[John]

Three out of four seasons with Hughes we played average football, with the last one being the poorest, Ince has stated from day one, he wants to play attractive football and wants his team to entertain, did Hughes ever say that?

Its all about results for me. Managers can say all they want, but talk can be cheap sometimes (especially when you have a manager with dire public communication skills).

Unless you have decent financial resources, difficult to get players of the required quality/flair to play winning & attacking football.

[Majiball]

Unless you have decent financial resources, difficult to get players of the required quality/flair to play winning & attacking football.

It is difficult but there are ways.

The likes of Porto and Sporting show the way for a club like us. Buy young promising talent develop them and sell them to the highest bidder. However I doubt most fans however would not be happy with this. A functioning youth system is also required, hopefully this five year plan will bear some fruits.

[thenodrog]

It is difficult but there are ways.

The likes of Porto and Sporting show the way for a club like us. Buy young promising talent develop them and sell them to the highest bidder. However I doubt most fans however would not be happy with this. A functioning youth system is also required, hopefully this five year plan will bear some fruits.

No they didn't. Hughes was already doing just that. A business model that I see as the only way forward for us. Hughes has gone now but he made us a bloody fortune on paper and should have been backed to the hilt.

btw we'd better not rely to much on developing youth. It usually represents little more than an expensive gamble and waste of resources. The likes of Bentley, Bellamy, Warnock, RSC, Samba, Charlie Newhouse etc never saw the inside of our academy did they? ..... And there's likely big profit in all of em.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

Bentley on the right rather than Ped would like as not have brought about Fulhams downfall. He was our best player and one that we have not replaced by miles. Only when I see Andrews name of the England team sheet forcing me to drop my pants on the Town Hall steps will I change my mind.

Not going to happen, he's Irish

[AndyC]

I can't believe how much rubbish is appearing on this thread. And from posters I usually find to have a good grasp of all things Rovers.

First point: Ince is not comfortable with a camera in front of him. He says the wrong things he needs coaching. It's up to JW and the communications team at Rovers to sort this. A problem that is easily solved. I think Ince knows what he wants to say he just doesn't have the articulacy to get his point across. The result is a random babbling.

Second point: Ince needs to be given time. We pride ourselves on stability. He needs a fair chance. He is not getting it at the moment.

Third point: For the first time in many years we are looking to play attractive football. We are giving the kids a chance. We are making substitutions to win games. Granted we aren't defending but things could be much, much worse.

Fourth Point: Whether he was your first, fifth or last choice as manager get behind him. He either adds value to the club and stays. Or he doesn't and he'll be moved on.

Final Point: I am proud to support Blackburn Rovers because I like to think our club is a little different, from the chairman through to the fans. At the moment some of the fans are not being very Blackburn Rovers like. It's sad.

well said martin.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

incey is making good progress, it will take time. we have played 5 games in the premiership now and have a nice points total. we did the job in the carling cup, and avoided the banana skin which has slipped us up quite often in the past. out of the 5 games in the premiership, we have played 4 teams who were in it last term, arsenal (h) everton (a) west ham (a) fulham (h) and picked up 6 points in those 4 matches, in the same 4 fixtures last season we only picked up 3 points from those 4 matches.

he is doing okay, lets all remain behind him!

Andrews recently said that Ince is a man manager who gets players to play with freedom.

I must say that, on the surface, Ince is getting some players to play with more confidence than previously. Treacy has to be the main one - looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights making his debut against Coventry under MH - but looks more confident this season under Ince (as do a lot of the youngesters). Also, though I don't agree with MGP on the right - playing Treacy in his natural position gave him the best chance to make a favourable impact (good management IMO).

Even with Hughes still at the helm - I would only have anticipated 7 points at the most (and possibly only 6 given recent history).

Though I don't think he is necessarily making good progress - things appear to be going in the right direction. So as you say - now is the time for people to get behind him and the team.

[dr_awol]

First point: Ince is not comfortable with a camera in front of him. He says the wrong things he needs coaching. It's up to JW and the communications team at Rovers to sort this. A problem that is easily solved. I think Ince knows what he wants to say he just doesn't have the articulacy to get his point across. The result is a random babbling.

i agree with your this point.

When Ince starts his training for his uefa badges, is there any sort of media training included, this would help him a lot!

[Exiled in Toronto]

Last week saw a surge of hysterical topics: 'Sack Ince now', 'What does Winterburn do' etc. which I think will reappear every time we have a bad result. I dont mind all those who chose to sit on the fence and withold theír support for Ince until they decide to either get on the good results bandwagon or throw rotten tomatoes at the fool - not what I would do but each to their own - but I can't stand the ones who see only negatives in everything.

Grinding out a slender win while not playing well was, in Hughes's time, a sign of how good he was; now it's a sign of how bad Ince is. A sub comes on and does well - 'why wasn't he starting?' Conversely, a sub comes on and does nothing - 'What did he bring him on for?

Personally, I didn't think Ped on the right was a bad idea; he clearly can't go round a man on the outside, so maybe he can cut inside - worth a look before consigning him to the stiffs which Ince must surely do soon. Plenty of wingers swap wings during a game to try something different.

The fact is that all 4 of the Ince signings who played yesterday did either OK or well. Robbo was excellent, Simpson looked good, Andrews Ok for a reserve (I see him as the new Nicky Marker, a signing for which King Kenny got no abuse whatsoever) and Carlos made the goal. The fear that Fowler would restrict Matty's chances have so far been groundless.

If Ince has a problem for me, it is that he is showing too much deference to the Hughes regime. Nelsen, MGP and Roberts are pants, and the sooner they are dropped the better.

So 5 games in and 7 points in the bag, still above Man U and 5 points ahead of Spurs, which by my reckoning makes it our third best start to a campaign since we came back up. Ince out!