[Archived] Paul's Progress

[imy9]

What I really like about Ince's interviews are that he sticks to his guns, win, lose or draw.

Paraphrasing Ince "I am trying to change certain things at the club, this will take time, certain things need to be improved we will do that"

[John]

Would be interesting to know the things he is trying to change (if he went in a bit more depth).

Team selection worked well today. Warnock in central midfield is genius.

[Blue blood]

Not a big fan of his interview style but can't complain with this weeks results.

Looking at his team selections they're confusing, shouldn't work, yet are getting results. Maybe there's a bit of nous to Ince after all. One thing I think should be praised for ince is that he doesn't mind dropping players - both Andrews and Pedersen have been dropped pretty quickly, hinting at a streak of ruthlessness in Ince which could well work wonders given we'll never have a big squad to keep the players on their toes.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Would be interesting to know the things he is trying to change (if he went in a bit more depth).

The notion that we have to be dour and dirty to survive in this league. He hasn't replaced Bentley because he's replacing a 'style' of play where Bentley was our only creative outlet in a team with no pace.

[philipl]

From what I have been able to see of it, Rovers have been playing some sweet football in the three wins this week.

It is great to see the commitment at closing the opposition down and pressing from the front when we don't have possession and the passing when we have had the ball ourselves has been really sweet and lovely to watch.

In the build-up to the free kick which Samba got on the end of, there was a marvelous passage of play by the Rovers- Newcastle scarcely had a touch of the ball for about two minutes.

With eight players out injured today (six from midfield), Rovers again put in a performance and that has to be down to the management team.

The last two interviews Ince has given have been huge improvements. They have been fresh honest and direct and he has not been hesitant in speaking his mind- admitting the team selection was in the balance until this morning, the appropriate words about conceding the penalty today and when questioned earlier in the week at last had some straight things to say about the Newcastle vacancy and his view that the caretaker offer to Venables was disrespectful.

I am finally beginning to warm to Paul Ince and wondering whether I dare be optimistic again. Well until City buy RSC for £30m on 1 Jan after managing to keep him out of the game on 28 December perhaps.

[Exiled in Toronto]

I am finally beginning to warm to Paul Ince

Do I hear the sound of reeds bending in the wind....?

[JAL]

From what I have been able to see of it, Rovers have been playing some sweet football in the three wins this week.

It is great to see the commitment at closing the opposition down and pressing from the front when we don't have possession and the passing when we have had the ball ourselves has been really sweet and lovely to watch.

In the build-up to the free kick which Samba got on the end of, there was a marvelous passage of play by the Rovers- Newcastle scarcely had a touch of the ball for about two minutes.

With eight players out injured today (six from midfield), Rovers again put in a performance and that has to be down to the management team.

The last two interviews Ince has given have been huge improvements. They have been fresh honest and direct and he has not been hesitant in speaking his mind- admitting the team selection was in the balance until this morning, the appropriate words about conceding the penalty today and when questioned earlier in the week at last had some straight things to say about the Newcastle vacancy and his view that the caretaker offer to Venables was disrespectful.

I am finally beginning to warm to Paul Ince and wondering whether I dare be optimistic again. Well until City buy RSC for £30m on 1 Jan after managing to keep him out of the game on 28 December perhaps.

Inces recruitment still looks and is poor with the exception of Bunn which I draw a line under, Inces signings from now on have to be of a HIGHER STANDARD if Rovers are to progress - recruitment is absolutely key too how Paul Ince will be judge in future years but for now Hughes men carry him.

[dopper69]

At this rate we will be safe from relegation after 15 games or so!

Well done Ince

[imy9]

Inces recruitment still looks and is poor with the exception of Bunn which I draw a line under, Inces signings from now on have to be of a HIGHER STANDARD if Rovers are to progress - recruitment is absolutely key too how Paul Ince will be judge in future years but for now Hughes men carry him.

Fair enough JAL but Simpson and Carlos have performed well already, Robinson was looking better, Grella has not had a chance and Andrews looked decent in his appearance but I see your point about purchasing players of a higher standard, hopefully the right sided player will address your concerns.

[gumboots]

Fair enough JAL but Simpson and Carlos have performed well already, Robinson was looking better, Grella has not had a chance and Andrews looked decent in his appearance but I see your point about purchasing players of a higher standard, hopefully the right sided player will address your concerns.

I don't expect it was easy to recruit in Summer anyway. already unfashionable club with new, inexperienced manager and little cash to spend seek highly talented right sided player to replace one of the best crossers of the ball on his day who is the most creative player in his team. Hopefully if Ince proves he's up to the job we might find it easier in Jan in some ways. There will be fewer teams wanting to sell but more of those who might be sold and suit us prepared to come.

[BuckyRover]

Great point.

If we continue like this a real "feel good" factor could develop and people might be exciting to play for a new, exciting English up and coming manager.

[BRFC4EVA]

To be fair to Mr Ince, although its an early stage, his results compare favourably with last years under Hughes.

Everton (a) Ince W Hughes D

Hull (h) N/A

Wham (a) Ince L Hughes L

Arsenal (h) Ince L Hughes D

Fulham (h) Ince W Hughes D

Ncastle (a) Ince W Hughes W

9 Points from Paul Ince and 6 from Hughes in the same games

[joey_big_nose]

To be fair to Mr Ince, although its an early stage, his results compare favourably with last years under Hughes.

Everton (a) Ince W Hughes D

Hull (h) N/A

Wham (a) Ince L Hughes L

Arsenal (h) Ince L Hughes D

Fulham (h) Ince W Hughes D

Ncastle (a) Ince W Hughes W

9 Points from Paul Ince and 6 from Hughes in the same games

Where were we after six games last year? We had an exceptional run till the end of October didn't we? Looked for a while like we could break the top four? Then in Novemeber/December we fell apart....

[JAL]

Fair enough JAL but Simpson and Carlos have performed well already, Robinson was looking better, Grella has not had a chance and Andrews looked decent in his appearance but I see your point about purchasing players of a higher standard, hopefully the right sided player will address your concerns.

I'm looking for more so that Rovers push for better we've got to challenge ourselves and not settle for mediocrity.

[mark1875]

Where were we after six games last year? We had an exceptional run till the end of October didn't we? Looked for a while like we could break the top four? Then in Novemeber/December we fell apart....

after 6 games we had 9 points (1 less than we have now)

middlesboro (a) w 2-1

arsenal (h) d 1-1

everton (a) d 1-1

man city (h) w 1-0

chelsea (a) d 0-0

portsmth (h) L 1-0

however we did then go on a 4 game winning streak lol

[JAL]

I don't expect it was easy to recruit in Summer anyway. already unfashionable club with new, inexperienced manager and little cash to spend seek highly talented right sided player to replace one of the best crossers of the ball on his day who is the most creative player in his team. Hopefully if Ince proves he's up to the job we might find it easier in Jan in some ways. There will be fewer teams wanting to sell but more of those who might be sold and suit us prepared to come.

Everyone paid at the club are paid to deliver thats what they must do.

[mark1875]

i remember mark hughes' first transfer window!

[Tris]

I'm looking for more so that Rovers push for better we've got to challenge ourselves and not settle for mediocrity.

According to your more hysterical outbursts over the last few weeks we've been relegation certainties, the laughing stock of the football world, an embarrassment, and we needed to get rid of Ince because he's killing the club.

You seem to have increased your own level of expectation - why is that exactly?

[joey_big_nose]

According to your more hysterical outbursts over the last few weeks we've been relegation certainties, the laughing stock of the football world, an embarrassment, and we needed to get rid of Ince because he's killing the club.

You seem to have increased your own level of expectation - why is that exactly?

That would be because Jal has been absolutely and entirely wrong about ince.

He comes across as not the shapest tool in the draw but he has proved himself so far to not only be a capable manager but remarkably clever in picking players to do a job for virtually no money (Carlos, Andrews. Simpson), introducing young players (Olsson, Treacy), finding new uses for existing players (Warnock, Derbyshire), and tactically setting up the team in an inteligent and creative fashion (a different approach to Fulham, Newcastle, and Everton in the Carling Cup).

JAL is just loathe to accept he is wrong.

Ince may turn out to not be the right thing for Rovers in the long run (I think he will succeed personally as after six PL games he has seemed very astute on all fronts, but I could be wrong) but nevertheless those who cried wolf so criminally early on have been found out by what seems a very capable manager.

I hope this is a lesson in reserrving your judgement. A book is not its cover - whether it be Ince, Fowler or Andrews. Give the man a feckin chance. You cannot predict from your armchair everything. The world does not operate that way, it often masively suprises you.

I would still be saying that if we had four points rather than ten. Not out of any affection for Ince but rather out of the fact a stable club with the fans behind it is a much more viable proposition than one where the idiots rule the sentiment.

If you need to change manager in order to succeed (which, incidentally, it appears we dont) you do not bang on for MONTHS and MONTHS about it. You do it quickly and quietly. It is all about being aligned to the club. Not the shocking mess Spurs and Newcastle are.

[mark1875]

That would be because Jal has been absolutely and entirely wrong about ince.

He comes across as not the shapest tool in the draw but he has proved himself so far to not only be a capable manager but remarkably clever in picking players to do a job for virtually no money (Carlos, Andrews. Simpson), introducing young players (Olsson, Treacy), finding new uses for existing players (Warnock, Derbyshire), and tactically setting up the team in an inteligent and creative fashion (a different approach to Fulham, Newcastle, and Everton in the Carling Cup).

JAL is just loathe to accept he is wrong.

Ince may turn out to not be the right thing for Rovers in the long run (I think he will succeed personally as after six PL games he has seemed very astute on all fronts, but I could be wrong) but nevertheless those who cried wolf so criminally early on have been found out by what seems a very capable manager.

I hope this is a lesson in reserrving your judgement. A book is not its cover - whether it be Ince, Fowler or Andrews. Give the man a feckin chance. You cannot predict from your armchair everything. The world does not operate that way, it often masively suprises you.

I would still be saying that if we had four points rather than ten. Not out of any affection for Ince but rather out of the fact a stable club with the fans behind it is a much more viable proposition than one where the idiots rule the sentiment.

If you need to change manager in order to succeed (which, incidentally, it appears we dont) you do not bang on for MONTHS and MONTHS about it. You do it quickly and quietly. It is all about being aligned to the club. Not the shocking mess Spurs and Newcastle are.

what an exellent post - well done mate! spot on

[Ewood Spark]

Great to see Ince coming over and applauding the fans yesterday ... I don't remember Hughes ever being so demonstrative.

[AndyC]

Transition ?? We were a well established hard to beat top 7 Premiership team, what the hell is transitional about that ?

The Board have failed its fans, Ince is talking shyte.

There was nothing broken in the club, we sold Bentley and Freidel fopr the best part of £20m and bought players for a sum of around £5m. All Rovers needed was a central midfielder and a defender and we have almost the same team as last year when teams actually feared playing Rovers.

Now we see our midfield consist of a div 2 no mark, teams loving the chance to spank us and a manager who thinks us Northerners are Southern based softies. the harsh relaity of it all is that the club does not have the time to languish around the bottom 3, once your in there you cant get out, especially with no backing and no hope, no creativity and no effort.

Rovers should have found themselves moving forward this season but we now see our club has jumped 10 spaces back just to try and move forward out of the bottom 3.

Its easy and plain for all to see.

are you beginning to change your mind a little on Ince and what he's doing at our club ?

The only reason why I ask you and not the others like Jal etc is because I've enjoyed your posts for a number of years, but that all changed when we appointed Ince and you didnt even seem to want to give him a chance.

He'd proved he can motivate.

He's proved he can change a game with substitutions that don't have to come at exactly the same time each week (under hughes)

He's given youth a chance

He's changed some players established positions and got more out of them.

He's signed players that cost nothing and they are doing well.

And more importantly - it's still very early days and he needs our support...

[JAL]

According to your more hysterical outbursts over the last few weeks we've been relegation certainties, the laughing stock of the football world, an embarrassment, and we needed to get rid of Ince because he's killing the club.

You seem to have increased your own level of expectation - why is that exactly?

I think you've got me mixed up with somebody elses post tris,definitely said we'd avoid relegation but questioned the quality of recriutment could we withstand it the following season as for embarrassing that was purely based on two players Andrews and Fowler still stands, Ince killing the club doint know were that came from but the negativity is based on the quality of the recruits above.

The standard of player coming into the club has to rise, thats my stance and it still remains and before anyone says we cant afford big buys I want the players coming in for next to nothing but to be paid handsomely thats the challenge.

[JAL]

That would be because Jal has been absolutely and entirely wrong about ince.

He comes across as not the shapest tool in the draw but he has proved himself so far to not only be a capable manager but remarkably clever in picking players to do a job for virtually no money (Carlos, Andrews. Simpson), introducing young players (Olsson, Treacy), finding new uses for existing players (Warnock, Derbyshire), and tactically setting up the team in an inteligent and creative fashion (a different approach to Fulham, Newcastle, and Everton in the Carling Cup).

JAL is just loathe to accept he is wrong.

Ince may turn out to not be the right thing for Rovers in the long run (I think he will succeed personally as after six PL games he has seemed very astute on all fronts, but I could be wrong) but nevertheless those who cried wolf so criminally early on have been found out by what seems a very capable manager.

I hope this is a lesson in reserrving your judgement. A book is not its cover - whether it be Ince, Fowler or Andrews. Give the man a feckin chance. You cannot predict from your armchair everything. The world does not operate that way, it often masively suprises you.

I would still be saying that if we had four points rather than ten. Not out of any affection for Ince but rather out of the fact a stable club with the fans behind it is a much more viable proposition than one where the idiots rule the sentiment.

If you need to change manager in order to succeed (which, incidentally, it appears we dont) you do not bang on for MONTHS and MONTHS about it. You do it quickly and quietly. It is all about being aligned to the club. Not the shocking mess Spurs and Newcastle are.

I'll except i'm wrong IF Ince can increase the home crowd by 25% with his 'attractive football and a winning team' thats adding an extra 4k onto 17k taking the home crowd to 21k for me then that would show Paul Ince and his team being a success.

Early days

[John]

It would be good to get a degree of reality on here. People seem to point the finger at each other and get their kicks out of it.

The divide is obvious. Some think and are acting like we have just won the league because we won yesterday at a club who perhaps could not be in worse turmoil. Others like having a go at Ince whatever the situation.

Try and keep it in perspective guys, still early days.........