[Archived] Paul's Progress

[blue phil]

Not how I rem it. Freidel spewed a simple save to give them the lead and then I saw Rovers having by far the best of the game with RSC playing a blinder before we got suckered by a series of break away goals.

What I remember was a totally unacceptable capitulation by the team . The fact that we had a chance of Europe made it all the worse than if it was a nothing end of the season match .

But at least it it gave Bentley the final incentive to "better" himself elsewhere ....

[John]

Hopefully all talk of a relegation battle will be put to bed soon:

The bread and butter is the Premier League and you've always to make sure from the start that you get the points to stay in it.

[gumboots]

Waiting for this, he set up Olssons winner with a bog standard pass, when it was Olsson who had to do all the hard work to score his goal, sorry Billy just not good enough any professional player could have done what Folwer did there.

Any player could have played the pass, if he'd been in the right position and aware of Olssen's run. The point is that Fowler (whose signing I'm not a fan of) was there and did see it and therefore made the important pass that led to the goal. Give credit where it's due. That is all anyone is asking for. I don't expect you to turn into a pro-Ince supporter instantly, but I do think you could grow up enough to come clean about who you really support or if it really is Rovers, (and there seems to be some scepticism around about this) admit that Ince and his players do sometimes do some things right.

Can I just add that the criticism of Ince's interviews on here is annoying. I don't care how many times he says you know if we keep on winning. His ability to speak good English is nothing to do with his ability to manage footballers, many of whom also speak like that. In an ideal world I'd like my football manager to be extremely literate and articulate too but it doesn't affect his dealings with his players at all as long as he can convey his tactics to them and I'm sure he says far worse than a few you knows in the privacy of the dressing room.

[bennyboyt11]

Any player could have played the pass, if he'd been in the right position and aware of Olssen's run. The point is that Fowler (whose signing I'm not a fan of) was there and did see it and therefore made the important pass that led to the goal. Give credit where it's due. That is all anyone is asking for. I don't expect you to turn into a pro-Ince supporter instantly, but I do think you could grow up enough to come clean about who you really support or if it really is Rovers, (and there seems to be some scepticism around about this) admit that Ince and his players do sometimes do some things right.

Can I just add that the criticism of Ince's interviews on here is annoying. I don't care how many times he says you know if we keep on winning. His ability to speak good English is nothing to do with his ability to manage footballers, many of whom also speak like that. In an ideal world I'd like my football manager to be extremely literate and articulate too but it doesn't affect his dealings with his players at all as long as he can convey his tactics to them and I'm sure he says far worse than a few you knows in the privacy of the dressing room.

I agree, you got to remember hes not having a one on one conversation with a close friend, hes talking to a news reporter with cameras and microphones pointed at him... who else doesnt find themselves nervous and stuttery at times with the attention solely on your every word?!

[RoyRover]

I've more confidence in Ince after the last 3 victories. He still has a lot to prove and some of his signings have to be justified. But we have only lost 2 games with him in charge and we appear to be playing good football. He also seems willing to give players more of a chance. Olsson and Treacy are just 2 examples. While players like Pedersen and McCarthy have been shown that they aren't guaranteed a start if they aren't doing it. He has a long way to go, but there have been signs in the last few games that he is starting to settle into the job, the players are playing as he wants and this is earning us wins.

[imy9]

I have observed Hughes' interview on Sky sports and I lost count of the number of "yeah um" and his team lost.

The important point is can he articulate himself to the players? Seems like he can at the moment.

The most pleasing thing is after two heavy defeats where we conceded 8 goals, Ince turned it around and we concede one goal in three.

[Ossydave]

The most pleasing thing is after two heavy defeats where we conceded 8 goals, Ince turned it around and we concede one goal in three.

Defence has improved in a big way since,yep you guessed it, Winterburn started working with the players. Should have been 3 clean sheets in a row but owen jizzed on it with a debatable penalty.

[AndyC]

AndyC

Thanks for your comments.

I have never actually not been warm to PI, its the lack of purchase of a top quality midfielder to replace Bentley that I am still sore at.

I reiterate, PI came to Rovers when we were already established in the top 7. The team wasnt broken, it wasnt underskilled and it had a serious work ethic. All it needed was tinkering and a bit of tlc after the upheaval of summer.

I am only against him for the signing sof Fowler and Andrews when IMO and I repeat IMO we could and should have aimed higher.

Despite my opinions on those two, I have never faltered in my actual support for BRFC. Granted, I couldnt be bothered versus Everton at home but the pricing issues were off the mark for a cup game.

I will be back in my seat for Saturday's entertainment versus the real red scum

top man!

i wonder how close we got to lennon or someone of his ilk, before the deadline closed....i guess we'll never know.

where's nicko when you need him. didnt he mention something about a very exciting right sided player that didnt come off?

[philipl]

top man!

i wonder how close we got to lennon or someone of his ilk, before the deadline closed....i guess we'll never know.

where's nicko when you need him. didnt he mention something about a very exciting right sided player that didnt come off?

Yes it was the Espanyol winger.

Lennon was never an option (thankfully) and Pennant wouldn't budge (thankfully).

[tonyoz]

Can I just add that the criticism of Ince's interviews on here is annoying. I don't care how many times he says you know if we keep on winning. His ability to speak good English is nothing to do with his ability to manage footballers, many of whom also speak like that. In an ideal world I'd like my football manager to be extremely literate and articulate too but it doesn't affect his dealings with his players at all as long as he can convey his tactics to them and I'm sure he says far worse than a few you knows in the privacy of the dressing room.

I agree. At least Ince has something interesting to say. His analysis of the performance is usually candid and accurate. This is far better than the typical "manager speak" where every response is predictable and boring.

[Mc Love]

Great to see Ince coming over and applauding the fans yesterday ... I don't remember Hughes ever being so demonstrative.

I saw Hughes in the last home game following the team around the pitch clapping the support with our win over Derby

[den]

Defence has improved in a big way since,yep you guessed it, Winterburn started working with the players. Should have been 3 clean sheets in a row but owen jizzed on it with a debatable penalty.

There could be a number of reasons why the team hasn't conceded many goals for the past few games.

Andrews didn't play, did he? The side has been far better - going forward and as we know, the best form of defence, is attack. Warnock has given far more than Andrews to date.

[jw_]

I saw Hughes in the last home game following the team around the pitch clapping the support with our win over Derby

That's because it was the last home game as you point out, so that was an end of season clap for the fans.

Anyway Hughes as gone and this thread is about Ince's performance and while I still say the 10 game rule should be the time to assess him it seems as if he is really getting a handle on the team and the future looks bright.

[RoverJoexx]

Saw an article not long ago about simpson on how Ince resembles alot to SAF and I tend to agree with him.

Due to current climax where staying in this league is utmost aim for all premiership managers. Their work tends to be result-base, they live or die by the

decisions they made. But for Ince with the evidence from last match shows indifferent to others, as he works more performance-base.

Who would have expected him to put up a lineup like he did last weekend? Keeping our aging maestro and prem-untested warnock in midfield, throwing young

players like olsson, simpson and villanueva in on a place like SJP. Although we saw their inexperience at times no doubt but thats what I call blooding players.

That shows good man-management for Ince and his team, to him, all players have to earn their shirts. How refreshing!

I sure we'll see likes of Mgp, roberts, warnock back at leftback, Ooijer at rightback, mokoena at Cm if Hughes still in charge.

Not disrespect quoting him but thats what most manager nowadays are, too afraid to drop their main man because their life hinge on them.

To me, Paul Ince as a player is a true footballer, as a manager has a football brain and brings good straits that he learn from all the great managers he's

under during his playing days to his management now.

A promising and exciting future ahead for him and luckily us too.

[trueblue]

Saw an article not long ago about simpson on how Ince resembles alot to SAF and I tend to agree with him.

Due to current climax where staying in this league is utmost aim for all premiership managers. Their work tends to be result-base, they live or die by the

decisions they made. But for Ince with the evidence from last match shows indifferent to others, as he works more performance-base.

Who would have expected him to put up a lineup like he did last weekend? Keeping our aging maestro and prem-untested warnock in midfield, throwing young

players like olsson, simpson and villanueva in on a place like SJP. Although we saw their inexperience at times no doubt but thats what I call blooding players.

That shows good man-management for Ince and his team, to him, all players have to earn their shirts. How refreshing!

I sure we'll see likes of Mgp, roberts, warnock back at leftback, Ooijer at rightback, mokoena at Cm if Hughes still in charge.

Not disrespect quoting him but thats what most manager nowadays are, too afraid to drop their main man because their life hinge on them.

To me, Paul Ince as a player is a true footballer, as a manager has a football brain and brings good straits that he learn from all the great managers he's

under during his playing days to his management now.

A promising and exciting future ahead for him and luckily us too.

So staying in the prem is of 'Orgasmic' priority then

[Billy Castell]

Well Juande Ramos will be very excited if he gets out of the relegation zone!

[broadsword]

I see in the current front page news story that Ince mentions that we can't go out and spend 10 mill or 15 mill on a player, like Fulham and Everton have done.

Is this just a canny playing of cards against the chest, or is the management being starved of cash?

I can't believe it could be the latter, are we really being that stingy?

[gumboots]

I see in the current front page news story that Ince mentions that we can't go out and spend 10 mill or 15 mill on a player, like Fulham and Everton have done.

Is this just a canny playing of cards against the chest, or is the management being starved of cash?

I can't believe it could be the latter, are we really being that stingy?

No he's being realistic. we can't spend money we don't have or have a realistic expectation of having. That's how many of the current financial problems arise with people borrowing more than they can actually pay, defaulting on debts etc. I'm sure there is money to spend but to spend that much on one at the moment would be a very unwise thing for our club to do.

[broadsword]

We can't spend money we don't have?

Where's the TV money gone? The Bentley money, the Friedel money?

We're running a Premiership club on a Championship budget. I'm not say we should kiss goodbye to good financial management, but at the same time we cannot expect to survive in this environment for too long by keeping our chequebook locked away.

This is going too far the other way, surely? We're bottom of the Premiership for spending with a spend that is actually negative over, what is it, the last 5 years or so?

[dr_awol]

I see in the current front page news story that Ince mentions that we can't go out and spend 10 mill or 15 mill on a player, like Fulham and Everton have done.

Is this just a canny playing of cards against the chest, or is the management being starved of cash?

I can't believe it could be the latter, are we really being that stingy?

I think its more to do with the blackburn rovers manager job description

* top half of the league

* Good cup run

* find rocks and turn in to gems

friedal

tugay

bentley

bellamy

Villanueva

Samba

Benni

cruz

Nelsen

Andrews

without the clause Bellamy would have sold for £12m +, most of these players could have been sold for at least 2x what we paid fo them at somepoint during there rovers stints(some players its to early to tell) , but my point is it part of the blackburn manager job desecption.

whats the point spending £15m on players when with a bit of effort you can spend £5m and turn them in to £15m in a short space of time.

i guess the rovers job requires a manager with good man managment skills.

on a personal note it will be more satisfying when we roll over teams with players who mosly cost under £4m, when players like Villanueva out performs Ronaldo, when cruz scores when tevez strugles to get passed sabma :-)

[RoyRover]

I see in the current front page news story that Ince mentions that we can't go out and spend 10 mill or 15 mill on a player, like Fulham and Everton have done.

Is this just a canny playing of cards against the chest, or is the management being starved of cash?

I can't believe it could be the latter, are we really being that stingy?

Mark Hughes talked about he had a transfer budget of £10 million to spend on players before he buggered off to Citeh. We then sold Friedal and Bentley which generated in the region of £18 million. I remember John Williams saying how this money would be used to strengthen the squad. Arsenal received a fair chunk of this transfer fee, but we still should have had around £20 million to spend on players. Grella, Andrews and Robinson were bought for about £8 million, so in theory we should still have £12 million to spend on players. But I do imagine the board being that stingy and holding back on the majority of the money that should Ince should be able to spend and hiding it away. I can understand the club not wanting to spend beyond it's means, but when Hughes had £10 million to spend and the sale of other players, who were to be replaced with the funds that they generated, for the club just to hold this money is wrong.

[gumboots]

We can't spend money we don't have?

Where's the TV money gone? The Bentley money, the Friedel money?

Wages? Subsidising tickets for fans? Buying robinson? Set aside to pay for Villanueva? Kept so we don't reach the situation Portsmouth are supposed to be in of owing on old transfers? I don't know but there's always debt around a club and in the current financial climate it doesn't make sense to spend every penny especially since, if our injuries continue to mount we're going to need some recruits in January and need to budget for them

[broadsword]

So we're making bargain buys just in case our injury list goes into double figures and we need to buy more bodies? Doesn't make sense to me.

I know we're operating in a harsh financial environment, but this is getting a bit silly.

I'm not saying we should be reckless, but the trustees will find it a lot harder to offload the club if we go down into the championship.

[CircoWill]

Mark Hughes talked about he had a transfer budget of £10 million to spend on players before he buggered off to Citeh. We then sold Friedal and Bentley which generated in the region of £18 million. I remember John Williams saying how this money would be used to strengthen the squad. Arsenal received a fair chunk of this transfer fee, but we still should have had around £20 million to spend on players. Grella, Andrews and Robinson were bought for about £8 million, so in theory we should still have £12 million to spend on players. But I do imagine the board being that stingy and holding back on the majority of the money that should Ince should be able to spend and hiding it away. I can understand the club not wanting to spend beyond it's means, but when Hughes had £10 million to spend and the sale of other players, who were to be replaced with the funds that they generated, for the club just to hold this money is wrong.

Don't forget that around £5m of that money is set aside to make Carlos' move permanent in January.

[broadsword]

That's if we decide to buy him, maybe they'll be a cheaper option in the Unibond League we could go for instead.