[Archived] Paul's Progress

[gumboots]

that's just silly. When I said we need to set aside cash in case our injury list gets horrendous - well we can't spend till Jan anyway and we need to be in a position then to strengthen certain areas. It might be that the manager identifies a specific need or that injuries dictate where he strengthens. No doubt if there was cash we could push the boat out and spend a bit more on a player but it might be that we need several and prices are high in Jan unlike in the shops where they do sales. It would be daft for us to spend a relatively big sum on a player in August or whenever only to find we needed players in Jan and had no cash to spare. that's when trouble starts.

[LDRover]

Don't forget the money we got for Sav in January. 1.5 million I think it was, and the savings on his wages would be quite substantial too.

[LeChuck]

Mark Hughes talked about he had a transfer budget of £10 million to spend on players before he buggered off to Citeh. We then sold Friedal and Bentley which generated in the region of £18 million. I remember John Williams saying how this money would be used to strengthen the squad. Arsenal received a fair chunk of this transfer fee, but we still should have had around £20 million to spend on players.

We must have received a few million quid more in compensation for Hughes and co. compared to what we paid for Ince and his team.

[Jan]

I see in the current front page news story that Ince mentions that we can't go out and spend 10 mill or 15 mill on a player, like Fulham and Everton have done.

Is this just a canny playing of cards against the chest, or is the management being starved of cash?

I can't believe it could be the latter, are we really being that stingy?

So obviously Ince is bad-mouthing the Club and a disgrace, too, is he??

[broadsword]

How did you manage to jump to that conclusion from what I've said?

[RoyRover]

We must have received a few million quid more in compensation for Hughes and co. compared to what we paid for Ince and his team.

I like to think so. If I remember right, John Williams talked about 'significant' compensation for Hughes and his team. I would be more disappointed if we didn't use the money generated from the sale of players than any compensation money. Even Bolton found it within themselves to spend £10 million of Elmander and they are just as tight as we are. It's not like he's been a huge success, but it shows that teams with the same level of finance as ourselves are willing to splash some big money on players that they think will improve them.

[Sparky Marky]

We're doing alright without any further spending. Notlob spent £10m on a no-hoper, I'd rather we kept our money in't bank....

It seems that Ince likes to look at the youth and I reckon Olsson and Simpson add some much needed pace and exuberrance to the team.

There's no point buying for buyings sake.

[RoverJoexx]

So staying in the prem is of 'Orgasmic' priority then

Oh silly me.

[bennyboyt11]

Can anyone else see Ince spending big in January for a right winger or just me

[den]

We're doing alright without any further spending. Notlob spent £10m on a no-hoper, I'd rather we kept our money in't bank....

It seems that Ince likes to look at the youth and I reckon Olsson and Simpson add some much needed pace and exuberrance to the team.

There's no point buying for buyings sake.

Money in the bank is no good to a football club. Better to have the money appearing as a quality signing.

- and as they say, the best time to buy, is when the teams doing well. So no more excuses rovers, if there's money available, spend it. None of this "we wont spend unless we can improve the team" rubbish/excuse. You HAVE to at least TRY.

[92er]

Money in the bank is no good to a football club. Better to have the money appearing as a quality signing.

You're right Den, but I wonder if we have set aside £5 mill for Carlos as well as money for a right winger-there was a lot of speculation that a deal was set to go through on the deadline evening, so presumably that money is still available.

[American Rover12]

not read most of this thread and don't know if anyone has linked to it, but I thought it a good read. I especially like Ince hailing the support from the fans.

Ince Interview

[den]

You're right Den, but I wonder if we have set aside £5 mill for Carlos as well as money for a right winger-there was a lot of speculation that a deal was set to go through on the deadline evening, so presumably that money is still available.

There could be a decision to make about Carlos 92er. I personally haven't seen £5m worth of player - yet [before anyone gets annoyed]. What will JW do, if he proves to be more of a £3m player? I suppose in JW we'll have to trust.

As for how much cash will be available in Jan, - there's no point guessing, because we haven't got a clue. Can't remember the last time us fans were right about the amount of money rovers would spend during a window.

[philipl]

If Hughes and team were in charge, we would be totally confident that Carlos would prove to be a £5m investment. At the moment, the nurturing and the strengthening is all happening so let's see what will come of him but I've seen enough of the lad on the 42" flat screen to tell me he has the natural ability to be a full-on Rovers star.

As for how much there will be made available to spend in January- who knows?

£40m+ all up if RSC is taken away from us but the issues are the recurring costs of wages, not transfer payments.

The club is currently in an extraordinarily healthy financial situation. In fact probably the best in the Premier League after Spurs looked at in terms of outgoings related to incomings and current debt. With every likelihood the next TV deal will be a bust for the clubs and knowing the economy is in tough times plus Liverpool and Man U for sure are disasters waiting to happen in current lending circumstances, should the club kick on or play safe?

[John]

I do feel Ince is 'growing' into the managerial role at the moment.

It is not about interviews, or how well someone speaks in one, but worth watching his Rovers World ones (usually pre/post matches). He expands a bit more on points and is much more relaxed.

[JAL]

If Hughes and team were in charge, we would be totally confident that Carlos would prove to be a £5m investment. At the moment, the nurturing and the strengthening is all happening so let's see what will come of him but I've seen enough of the lad on the 42" flat screen to tell me he has the natural ability to be a full-on Rovers star.

As for how much there will be made available to spend in January- who knows?

£40m+ all up if RSC is taken away from us but the issues are the recurring costs of wages, not transfer payments.

The club is currently in an extraordinarily healthy financial situation. In fact probably the best in the Premier League after Spurs looked at in terms of outgoings related to incomings and current debt. With every likelihood the next TV deal will be a bust for the clubs and knowing the economy is in tough times plus Liverpool and Man U for sure are disasters waiting to happen in current lending circumstances, should the club kick on or play safe?

You seem genuinely concerned about RSC come the January window philipl, no matter how much money is offered for Roque you only have to look at Tottenham after having sold Keane, Deffoe and Berbatov thats the sort of impact Cruz leaving would have on Rovers. It would represent going in completely the wrong direction and if heated words have already been exchanged between Rovers reps and City officials then long may it continue because come December 28th we the fans go to war with Man City this our cup final, our day, whatever it takes we cant be embarrassed by selling one of our prized assets to them.

[roversmum]

I do feel Ince is 'growing' into the managerial role at the moment.

It is not about interviews, or how well someone speaks in one, but worth watching his Rovers World ones (usually pre/post matches). He expands a bit more on points and is much more relaxed.

I thought the post Newcastle interview was brilliant. What Paul lacks in finesse in the spoken word he certainly makes up for - there was little if anything about that match that he missed and he isn't afraid to point the failings out.

[philipl]

You seem genuinely concerned about RSC come the January window philipl, no matter how much money is offered for Roque you only have to look at Tottenham after having sold Keane, Deffoe and Berbatov thats the sort of impact Cruz leaving would have on Rovers. It would represent going in completely the wrong direction and if heated words have already been exchanged between Rovers reps and City officials then long may it continue because come December 28th we the fans go to war with Man City this our cup final, our day, whatever it takes we cant be embarrassed by selling one of our prized assets to them.

It's all going to boil down to league positions in December.

If we are right in the mix for European football at Christmas Roque as good as said he would be happy to stay when interviewed after signing his new contract.

If City are right in the CL mix meaning Hughes will be listened to, a bid is certain to come in for RSC from Eastlands. However, if City are a bit off the pace, the chances are that ADUG will go for glitz and chase for Bezzima or (please) 15 stone Ronnie.

[1864roverite]

I think Rovers are safe from the clutches of Man City.

RSC is not the player they will seek to play alongside/instead of Robinho and Jo. He isnt going to play second fiddle to anyone me thinks and City's so called big two multimillion pound stars are not going to like it being benched.

If anything, Rovers should fear the loss of Warnock, Samba and Olsson.

[blue phil]

Money in the bank is no good to a football club. Better to have the money appearing as a quality signing.

- and as they say, the best time to buy, is when the teams doing well. So no more excuses rovers, if there's money available, spend it. None of this "we wont spend unless we can improve the team" rubbish/excuse. You HAVE to at least TRY.

I suppose it depends on which bank the money's in these days .....

Seriously though , it's pointless spending just for the sake of it and I'm impressed by Ince thus far .

Have you any players in mind who we should splash out the money on , Den ? I look at other teams below us and the "quality" of their signings and thank heavens we haven't spent for the sake of it .

We could have bought Lennon for example ........but weren't you against that because he couldn't cross the ball ?

I believe there is money available but a club like Rovers have to be more certain than most that it is spent wisely - ten million in the bank can turn to two million on the bench quite easily .

[den]

I suppose it depends on which bank the money's in these days .....

Seriously though , it's pointless spending just for the sake of it and I'm impressed by Ince thus far .

Have you any players in mind who we should splash out the money on , Den ? I look at other teams below us and the "quality" of their signings and thank heavens we haven't spent for the sake of it .

We could have bought Lennon for example ........but weren't you against that because he couldn't cross the ball ?

I believe there is money available but a club like Rovers have to be more certain than most that it is spent wisely - ten million in the bank can turn to two million on the bench quite easily .

It is no good spending for the sake of it, - agreed Phil. Nor have I any idea who we should go and sign, but I wouldn't have would I, I'm not a party to the kind of football circles who DO know who's available. That's why we pay managers a fortune.

My point was a general one, to the poster above who was advocating we keep hold of the cash, because we are doing OK at the moment. Football's a strange game though, because who knows what's around the corner results or form wise. You're right about ten million becoming two million as well - and don't we know about that! However, if we have ten million available, it is definitely better on the park, in the form of a quality player, than in the bank. It has to be spent sometime, and footballing wise, the sooner the better.

To my mind, the risks of spending available cash, are far less than not spending it.

Clubs should always be looking to improve their team.

[tonyoz]

Nelsen comments on Ince:

http://www.blackburncitizen.co.uk/sport/37...by__Team_Ince_/

[T4E]

To my mind, the risks of spending available cash, are far less than not spending it.

Clubs should always be looking to improve their team.

You are 100% spot on. I'm yet to see any evidence of "keeping our powder dry" reaping any benefits whatsoever.

[Amo]

Nelsen comments on Ince:

http://www.blackburncitizen.co.uk/sport/37...by__Team_Ince_/

Making sure he plays against Utd?

[BuckyRover]

If you were a young person entering the world of work and a small employer gives you a big break by hiring you to work in your chosen field, is the first thing your would do, ask what the yearly budget is and then spend it all on upgrading something within the company that would make the company "better"?

Keep it in mind that you aren't even sure what needs upgrading at this point.

Personally, I would stay for a few months and work out exactly where the money needs to be spent before jumping head first in.

But that's just me