[Archived] Paul's Progress

[American]

Just a change of Saturday afternoon activities. How's the golf game going?

[1864roverite]

So a defeat to the reigning Premiership and European champions now means that, despite beginning to show that we can now play entertaining football and pick up points while we're improving, Ince is a rubbish manager and shouldn't have been given the job.

Its not the bloody defeat that we are concerned about

IT IS THE MANNER OF THE CAPITULATION IN DEFEAT.

No tactics

no effort

no creativity

no apparent lessons leaarned form the Arsenal game

seriously dodgy substitution Tuagy replaced by Andrews ??????? WTF was all that about then ?

[thenodrog]

Its not the bloody defeat that we are concerned about

IT IS THE MANNER OF THE CAPITULATION IN DEFEAT.

I still have seen nothing in Paul Ince to convince me that he is a natural leader of men. Hughes has gone of course but imo he had that in bucketloads.

[John]

Maybe it is just the harsh reality of our situation, but getting quite fed up of hearing our lack of resources as an excuse.

Seems to be getting mentioned in every interview now.

[thenodrog]

Maybe it is just the harsh reality of our situation, but getting quite fed up of hearing our lack of resources as an excuse.

Seems to be getting mentioned in every interview now.

I'll cut Ince some slack there. Surely there is a relevence when we are playing the likes of MU and Chelsea.

[John]

I'll cut Ince some slack there. Surely there is a relevence when we are playing the likes of MU and Chelsea.

Yes, but do we need to mention it in almost every interview? Managers are all aware of the resources they have got when they take a job on.

[philipl]

Rovers are the only club to have played Hull at home... and not lost.

[Ozz]

Ince has done well against the mundane outfits, Fulham, Newcastle, Grimsby and Hull etc but struggled against Utd and Arsenal. His experience of lower leagues is doing him good, but is a little out of his depth at the very top table so far. Which begs the question, what is Archie Knoxs contribution so far? Knox was Fergies RHM for sometime, so should be able to guide Ince in his early skirmishes with the big 4.

[Neil Weaver]

Ince has done well against the mundane outfits, Fulham, Newcastle, Grimsby and Hull etc but struggled against Utd and Arsenal. His experience of lower leagues is doing him good, but is a little out of his depth at the very top table so far. Which begs the question, what is Archie Knoxs contribution so far? Knox was Fergies RHM for sometime, so should be able to guide Ince in his early skirmishes with the big 4.

Fair point Oz, and in most lines of work, it'd be down to the 'senior pros' to give a bit of advice to the newcomers too. After all, they've played these outfits before. You have to wonder if it's a case of these players not offering opinions or management reckoning they know better.

[dr_awol]

i would describe Paul inces job so far as OK without being inspiring.

Bolton v Blackburn Draw

Blackburn v Middlesbrough Win

Aston Villa v Blackburn Lose

the above is what i would expect as a min, gaining an away win from any of the two away games would be impressive.

anything more than 4 points and i would be happy, and after these 3 games that will bring him to the 10 game milestone,where he can be judged.

[imy9]

Couldnt have said it better myself

[BRFC4Life]

The lack of fight after we went 1-0 to utd worried me. we did occasionally play crap under hughes but even when we were losing we still had the passion to chase the game to the end. as soon as utd scored our heads went down and the fight went out of the team.

His selections for the game were wrong, especially in midfield. tugay can do it against the lower teams but not the utds of the world. and playing a left back in centre midfield against the european champions was absolutely mental. we are missing dunn, grella and reid but would have rather seen the axe (i know not the ideal choice but beggars cant be choosers with our injuries) and maybe emerton in the centre as hes done a decent job there before.

cant believe he didnt give carlos a chance, he's had a hand in our winning the last 2 league games and when we were struggling yesterday to create anything he would have been worth a go.

andrews will never make it in the premiership. think ince is just gonna keep playing him cos he doesnt want to admit hes made a mistake. have seen treacy a few times and he's never done anything to suggest he's good enough at this level, if your gonna give him a go do it in the cups and against the lower teams. starting to think matty may also not be good enough. roberts started the season ok but has tailed off. Whats happened to vogel, he was starting to play well at the end of last season. brown did really well, his saves were very friedal-like.

the worst player though was gamst, what has happened to him? he was worse than useless. a 2 season wonder me thinks.

At least we have 2 weeks off to try to get santa cruz, reid and grella back and for winterburn to actually earn his wages by SORTING OUT THE DEFENCE!!

[jim mk2]

btw Certainly no change of opinion with me.

Nah, just par for the course .....

Your football knowledge is about as big as the 8th green at Troon.....

[BRFC1995]

6pts from 3 away games = superb away form

4pts from 4 home games = acceptable considering opposition, don't play utd arsenal every week so points to game ratio at home is only going to improve!

overall a very good start, and sitting comfortably above teams with so called better players. Still in league cup and utd and arsenal games aside played some great football for long periods in all other games including "weird" defeat at wham.

Points wise ince is 5 times the manager wendy ramos is, and compared to the overpaid big heads at spuds we've had a dream start. Quite prepared to consider it a 32 game season where anything at all against chelsea,utd and arsenal is an unexpected bonus.

[92er]

Does anyone know how Ince is getting on with his coaching Badges? If he does noy complete them within the 2 year timescale, then Rovers will not be allowed to play in Europe.

I don't know-but a friend quotes JW as saying he will have to drag him to them.

But remember that he has it in his contract that if he does not complete them in 2 years he loses his job with us.

[JAL]

Its not the bloody defeat that we are concerned about

IT IS THE MANNER OF THE CAPITULATION IN DEFEAT.

No tactics

no effort

no creativity

no apparent lessons leaarned form the Arsenal game

seriously dodgy substitution Tuagy replaced by Andrews ??????? WTF was all that about then ?

Worrying times, very worrying we are definitely heading in a downward spiral.

[thenodrog]

I don't know-but a friend quotes JW as saying he will have to drag him to them.

But remember that he has it in his contract that if he does not complete them in 2 years he loses his job with us.

Better not push it then...... might have to wait 2 years but it does at least offer us a low cost exit strategy.

[Jan]

Better not push it then...... might have to wait 2 years but it does at least offer us a low cost exit strategy.

Don't think so, Theno. There will come a time, possibly even in the not too distant future, that it wll become impossible for him to complete his badges in the allotted time. I think there are only so many courses a year and you have to do at least 2 levels to get the required qualification.

[CrazyIvan]

Worrying times, very worrying we are definitely heading in a downward spiral.

Yeah, three wins on the bounce and one loss to the Premier League and Champions League champions. Some downward spiral!!! Get real, this is one game not a series of poor performances!!!

What an utterly ridiculous post and it just about sums JAL up!

[Ninjathunder]

I've been pro-Ince so far but what is concerning me on Monday morning is his belief that there is nothing we can do when faced with teams like Man U and Arsenal. In today's Guardian:

"It's scary, isn't it?" said Paul Ince, the Blackburn Rovers manager. "You can spend all week, as I have done, discussing tactics and personnel, but when a team is that good sometimes you can't do anything about it."

I'm sorry, Paul, but there is. Against teams of this quality we can't expect to match them with fancy flowing football but we can at least expect our players to be in their faces, tough in tackles and closing them down quicker. Hughes knew this.

[thenodrog]

I've been pro-Ince so far but what is concerning me on Monday morning is his belief that there is nothing we can do when faced with teams like Man U and Arsenal. In today's Guardian:

"It's scary, isn't it?" said Paul Ince, the Blackburn Rovers manager. "You can spend all week, as I have done, discussing tactics and personnel, but when a team is that good sometimes you can't do anything about it."

I'm sorry, Paul, but there is. Against teams of this quality we can't expect to match them with fancy flowing football but we can at least expect our players to be in their faces, tough in tackles and closing them down quicker. Hughes knew this.

Well thats cos he was 'a warrior that you could trust with your life'.

[Mr Creosote]

Yeah, three wins on the bounce and one loss to the Premier League and Champions League champions. Some downward spiral!!! Get real, this is one game not a series of poor performances!!!

What an utterly ridiculous post and it just about sums JAL up!

The guy is an utter cretin.

[den]

I've been pro-Ince so far but what is concerning me on Monday morning is his belief that there is nothing we can do when faced with teams like Man U and Arsenal. In today's Guardian:

"It's scary, isn't it?" said Paul Ince, the Blackburn Rovers manager. "You can spend all week, as I have done, discussing tactics and personnel, but when a team is that good sometimes you can't do anything about it."

I'm sorry, Paul, but there is. Against teams of this quality we can't expect to match them with fancy flowing football but we can at least expect our players to be in their faces, tough in tackles and closing them down quicker. Hughes knew this.

Someone needs to show him a DVD of the semi final two seasons ago, when rovers came within a Pedersen header from deservedly beating the Premier league champions elect and getting to the FA cup final.

Can't do anything about it? When I believe that day has arrived, I'll pack it in.

[Parsonblue]

I've been pro-Ince so far but what is concerning me on Monday morning is his belief that there is nothing we can do when faced with teams like Man U and Arsenal. In today's Guardian:

"It's scary, isn't it?" said Paul Ince, the Blackburn Rovers manager. "You can spend all week, as I have done, discussing tactics and personnel, but when a team is that good sometimes you can't do anything about it."

I'm sorry, Paul, but there is. Against teams of this quality we can't expect to match them with fancy flowing football but we can at least expect our players to be in their faces, tough in tackles and closing them down quicker. Hughes knew this.

I couldn't agree more. Perhaps if the manager took the time and trouble to go on the coaching courses he might learn that there is more than one way to play the game. Both Souness and Hughes got results against the top clubs and Ince will have to do the same. You simply can't say that there are eight games a season where it will be impossible to get a result!

[Billy Castell]

We need to get back to being mean and nasty when we play Man Utd and those teams. If we try to play like Brazil, we'd get humped, but if we hustle and hassle, we'd have a chance. Or just see what Hull are doing right.