[Archived] Paul's Progress

[den]

ok i agree that Mathias might be going a bit over the top, regarding Grella and Warnock, but what is making me angry is that some people on here not naming names DEN, just are not giving Ince and his staff a chance, which in the end is not helping anyone at the club. Give Ince till at least christmas FFS, and stop moaning like an old grumpy man. What has Ince actually done wrong anyway Den?

Well I was talking about an interview that Matthias gave, - not Ince, calm down. I assume you think it shouldn't be commented on though?

Anyway, glad you've come round to agreeing with me Gazz.

[CrazyIvan]

Glad you've come round to agreeing with me Gazz.

I think Matthias is a bit OTT but there surely is nothing wrong with praising your performing players. It builds confidence and they've both done very well. I do wonder what happens when Dunn comes back though.

[AggyBlue]

To say they're as good as any midfield pairing in the Prem is going a tad overboard though

All management teams bull up their staff, it's just one method of inspiring them, instilling some confidence in them.

You just see it as another opportunity to slag off Blackburn Rovers and it's becoming very tiresome for many of us.

Have a holiday, give the message board a rest for a month or so.

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

Yeah Den, maybe it will give them more confidence to slag them off and talk about how they'll never be the best midfielders in the Premiership rather than talk them up and try to boost their confidence.

[den]

I think Matthias is a bit OTT but there surely is nothing wrong with praising your performing players. It builds confidence and they've both done very well.

Nothing at all wrong with praising your players. When you do an interview though, as Matthias did here, keep things in perspective and be honest, - that's the best way to keep fans on your side. The management team are coming in for a lot of flak and not only on here, coming out with comments like Grella and Warnock are the best midfield partnership in the Prem will cause fans to doubt his judgement.

Following on from his earlier comments that we can replace Bentley with someone better, and also saying he could understand Bentley wanting to play for a better team isn't the way to go. Now that isn't a matter of not supporting my club, it's a judgement of whether Matthias is actually harming the image of our Management team.

All in my opinion of course.

[DingleBaiter]

So everything anyone says to the press in an interview has to be 100% correct then? Unrealistic, I'd suggest.

It does seem a tad optimistic, but it's no biggie surely. Was it Clough who told the physio to tell the player with concussion he was Pele?

The main thing is continuing to have Grella and Warnock working well enough to believe the hype

[den]

Yeah Den, maybe it will give them more confidence to slag them off and talk about how they'll never be the best midfielders in the Premiership rather than talk them up and try to boost their confidence.

Point to where I've slagged them off please?

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

I didn't say you personally slagged them off, you just started saying how Mathias was "spouting @#/?" by talking us our own players. What else is he meant to do, talk them down?

[T4E]

ok i agree that Mathias might be going a bit over the top, regarding Grella and Warnock, but what is making me angry is that some people on here not naming names DEN, just are not giving Ince and his staff a chance, which in the end is not helping anyone at the club. Give Ince till at least christmas FFS, and stop moaning like an old grumpy man. What has Ince actually done wrong anyway Den?

Every time you post God kills a kitten.

[92er]

So everything anyone says to the press in an interview has to be 100% correct then? Unrealistic, I'd suggest.

It does seem a tad optimistic, but it's no biggie surely. Was it Clough who told the physio to tell the player with concussion he was Pele?

The main thing is continuing to have Grella and Warnock working well enough to believe the hype

Having re-read the article in the LT, I would agree that it's not the most stupid comment ever, but it's rather daft.

A newcomer to the Premiership who has now played 1 1/2 games and a converted left back "and there is no-one better in there in this division".

So, no biggie as you say, but I would suggest a little less crdibility for the management team.

Every time you post God kills a kitten.

I hope not!

[JAL]

JAL - so you think it's more to get MO a start, and Warnock is the makeweight, rather than just a case of playing him there due to injuries and then deciding to keep 'as is'? Interesting idea.

As you say, it's only a stopgap; what happens when Judgey/Dunny are back fit for instance?

No dont think Warnock was a makeweight more of a situation that arose in the team,

MO played full back did well,

SW played more central did well,

Ince and his team obviously impressed with both kept it as it is.

Would be amazed if Alan Judge made it at prem level as for Dunny will he ever cast off those injuries.

[DingleBaiter]

No dont think Warnock was a makeweight more of a situation that arose in the team,

MO played full back did well,

SW played more central did well,

Ince and his team obviously impressed with both kept it as it is.

Would be amazed if Alan Judge made it at prem level as for Dunny will he ever cast off those injuries.

Just when was getting concerned that I may be tending to agree with you....

When was last time you watched Judgey properly? Think it's clear Ince fancies him for the future, though there's always the vagueness of defintion of 'making it' at Prem level. IF he continues his progression of the last 12 months, he's got every chance - given right intro (as with other reserve/youth graduates).

Given the present climate & all the conspiracy theorists, who's to say we won't end up cashing in anyone of any value and being left to fend with home-grown players?

Shame for Dunny - once again after getting fit and having a good pre-season under his belt.

Could be worse - we could bring back Super Atko (seems to have put a bit of timber on since his pomp)

[imy9]

Having re-read the article in the LT, I would agree that it's not the most stupid comment ever, but it's rather daft.

A newcomer to the Premiership who has now played 1 1/2 games and a converted left back "and there is no-one better in there in this division".

So, no biggie as you say, but I would suggest a little less crdibility for the management team.

I hope not!

What he actually said was that it was the performance of Warnock and Grella in the first half that was exceptional and you could not find better in the PL, a bit of an exaggeration? Possibly, daft comment? I dont think so, he did not say that they were the best two players in the premiership but commented on a 45 minute performance.

That being said Roberts is one of the best strikers in the league when he plays like he did against Bolton second half last year

[den]

What he actually said was that it was the performance of Warnock and Grella in the first half that was exceptional and you could not find better in the PL, a bit of an exaggeration? Possibly, daft comment? I dont think so, he did not say that they were the best two players in the premiership but commented on a 45 minute performance.

Matthias:

"If you look at Vince and Stevie Warnock in the first half there is no one better in there in this division."

As for it not being a "biggie", I totally agree. It's the reaction that made it that way.

[92er]

What he actually said was that it was the performance of Warnock and Grella in the first half that was exceptional and you could not find better in the PL, a bit of an exaggeration? Possibly, daft comment? I dont think so, he did not say that they were the best two players in the premiership but commented on a 45 minute performance.

What he actually said was "If you look at Vince and Stevie Warnock in the first half there is no one better in this division".

So, based on a 45 minute performance there is no one better? Maybe he hasn't seen enough of this division yet?

Imo, a daft statement.

[T4E]

What he actually said was that it was the performance of Warnock and Grella in the first half that was exceptional and you could not find better in the PL, a bit of an exaggeration? Possibly, daft comment? I dont think so, he did not say that they were the best two players in the premiership but commented on a 45 minute performance.

That being said Roberts is one of the best strikers in the league when he plays like he did against Bolton second half last year

Do you just trawl the messageboard looking for anything negative so that you can disagree with it? Your original point regarding the so called "Anti-Ince Brigade" was that people should give it time and take a balanced view on things, yet you're now doing the exact opposite of that and showing a complete inability to judge each situation on its individual merits. You've become a complete parody of yourself.

That said, you're not alone. It's a very common trait amongst the Paulettes.

[CrazyIvan]

Can I ask a question here? Who are the Paulettes? Can we have a list of them so we know who's in the group and who's not?

[T4E]

It's undefined, just like the "Anti-Ince Brigade"

[1864roverite]

its rather an odd statement FOR SOMEONE WITH 40YRS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE GAME

[CrazyIvan]

It's undefined, just like the "Anti-Ince Brigade"

I think the anti-Ince brigade can be defined as anybody who continually looks to criticise and denigrate Ince without good reason, who jumps on dodgy reports in newspapers and runs off at the mouth citing them as proof that Ince is indeed a complete buffon and should be sacked immediately without taking them with a pinch of salt and who consiatently puts forward that there are 'rumours' that all is not well in the club because of Ince without actually backing them up with anything other than already discredited junk in newspapers or heresay. Fair enough?

[1864roverite]

heresay ? Is that not your favourite pop band CI??

[T4E]

Right - so who fits that criteria?

While we're on the subject, a Paulette can be defined as anyone who continually looks to positively spin all aspects of the Ince regime no matter how ridiculous it makes them look, in a desperate attempt to counterbalance what they see as a growing number of members of the "Anti-Ince Brigade", losing all credibility and totally forsaking their original cries for "fair and balanced" critique.

[BuckyRover]

Growing numbers!

LOL, even basic maths are beyond the Anti-Ince brigade

[imy9]

Do you just trawl the messageboard looking for anything negative so that you can disagree with it? Your original point regarding the so called "Anti-Ince Brigade" was that people should give it time and take a balanced view on things, yet you're now doing the exact opposite of that and showing a complete inability to judge each situation on its individual merits. You've become a complete parody of yourself.

That said, you're not alone. It's a very common trait amongst the Paulettes.

I tend to read the message boards and when I have an opinion on something, I make a comment, is that not what these threads are for?

Can you explain this comment: "people should give it time and take a balanced view on things, yet you're now doing the exact opposite of that"

Read the comment again, Mathias said that as a 45 minute performance there was no better in the PL, an exaggeration but certainly not implying that they are the best two midfielders in the league. Maybe the "anti Ince brigade" would like to read comments carefully and give people the benefit of the doubt without pouncing on them. The Carlos interview springs to mind... a lot of eggs on faces on that one

Right - so who fits that criteria?

While we're on the subject, a Paulette can be defined as anyone who continually looks to positively spin all aspects of the Ince regime no matter how ridiculous it makes them look, in a desperate attempt to counterbalance what they see as a growing number of members of the "Anti-Ince Brigade", losing all credibility and totally forsaking their original cries for "fair and balanced" critique.

1. Ince has lost the dressing room.

2. Ince caused Brad to leave.

3. Carlos is unhappy at Ince.

3 stories of many that the "anti Ince brigade" pounced on, defending the bloke against the above (which have been proven incorrect) was certainly not "ridiculous", can you name some points that these Pro Ince posters have made that are "desperate"?

[Exiled in Toronto]

Right - so who fits that criteria?

While we're on the subject, a Paulette can be defined as anyone who continually looks to positively spin all aspects of the Ince regime no matter how ridiculous it makes them look, in a desperate attempt to counterbalance what they see as a growing number of members of the "Anti-Ince Brigade", losing all credibility and totally forsaking their original cries for "fair and balanced" critique.

And who would you put in that category?