[Archived] Paul's Progress

[thenodrog]

I think Matthias is a bit OTT but there surely is nothing wrong with praising your performing players. It builds confidence and they've both done very well. I do wonder what happens when Dunn comes back .

I assume that if he is good enough and fit enough to dislodge the others he will get in the team. If not he wont.

[philipl]

Three observations:

- a semantic point but Ray Matthias actually said "best in this division" which sounded very 30+ years ago when Rovers were in the third division. I've got so used to being in the Premier League I'd stopped thinking of calling it a division!

- This mid-week there are four games matching clubs below us in "this division" so some of those clubs are bound to be picking up points and will make the Hawthorns clash uncomfortably like a must-win to avoid trouble unless we do extraordinarilly well at Villa Park tomorrow.

- From what Ince has been hinting he wants his own players at Ewood. I suspect axing Vogel and the question over Zura is but the start of a big clear-out of established players which will inevitably add to the strains of supporting Rovers.

[T4E]

And who would you put in that category?

imy9 and BuckyRover to name two.

Can you explain this comment: "people should give it time and take a balanced view on things, yet you're now doing the exact opposite of that"

Was that not your original argument? Or was it your intention to spin doctor everything that comes out of the club from the very start?

[BuckyRover]

Well done.

I am glad. It is called being a supporter.

Although you will find I have criticised more than you have supported so your argument is invalid.

[T4E]

You can carry on trying to address me Bucky, but your posts take inanity to a whole new level and will not be getting any more of a response than this one from me. Sorry.

[BuckyRover]

Good.

Glad you know when you are beaten; it is a good personality trait

[imy9]

imy9 and BuckyRover to name two.

Was that not your original argument? Or was it your intention to spin doctor everything that comes out of the club from the very start?

Yes it was but you said that I was doing the opposite, please explain which post/s you are referring to.

I mentioned at the top of the page: "can you name some points that these Pro Ince posters have made that are "desperate"?" I am intrigued by what these are, the points I mentioned I spoke out against at the time and have been proved right in doing so (that would be called giving someone the benefit of the doubt )

I am with Bucky, supporting your club means giving the manager a chance, something a number of posters have not done to date, why? Only they can answer that question- certainly Hughes arrived with a weaker CV but got greater support.

[John]

Ince looking his most relaxed yet!

[92er]

Ince looking his most relaxed yet!

Agreed.

My problem with the interview, as with reports in the LT last Thursday and Saturday, was his moaning about how much money the other clubs have compared to us.

[CrazyIvan]

heresay ? Is that not your favourite pop band CI??

That would be the Foo Fighters actually...

[tcj_jones]

Matthias spouting rubbish again.

Grella and Warnock can become the best in the Prem.

Agreed, Mathias's comments are embarrassing.

They did well together, especially in the first half, but comments like this make the club look like a joke.

[Amo]

- a semantic point but Ray Matthias actually said "best in this division" which sounded very 30+ years ago when Rovers were in the third division. I've got so used to being in the Premier League I'd stopped thinking of calling it a division!

Probably because Mathias is used to plying his trade in the lower divisions.

Anyway, yeah, it wasn't the smartest thing he could have said. I just told my friend and he was laughing his nuts off about it.

[JAL]

Nothing at all wrong with praising your players. When you do an interview though, as Matthias did here, keep things in perspective and be honest, - that's the best way to keep fans on your side. The management team are coming in for a lot of flak and not only on here, coming out with comments like Grella and Warnock are the best midfield partnership in the Prem will cause fans to doubt his judgement.

Following on from his earlier comments that we can replace Bentley with someone better, and also saying he could understand Bentley wanting to play for a better team isn't the way to go. Now that isn't a matter of not supporting my club, it's a judgement of whether Matthias is actually harming the image of our Management team.

All in my opinion of course.

I share that opinion den Mathias seems star struck easly pleased and totally unaware of what Warnock and Grella are going to be up against this season.

Hes definitley a lower league chap.

[thenodrog]

Ince looking his most relaxed yet!

Might be looking relaxed but he's obviously not been following the Prem table this season. He's completely forgotten about Hull in his continual references to the top free or four clubs.

[BuckyRover]

I think they have been called the top four for a good few years now, regardless of the table, for example, in the off season.

But I suppose he could be unable to read the table?

[thenodrog]

I share that opinion den Mathias seems star struck easly pleased and totally unaware of what Warnock and Grella are going to be up against this season.

I know where everybody is coming from but (with due respect to Emo and RSC) I had to choose between the pair for my own MoM on Saturday. Two excellent performances which should not be ridiculed or diminished whether Mathias has inadvertantly over egged the pudding or not. So lets not all take the p1ss quite so readily eh?

[thenodrog]

I think they have been called the top four for a good few years now, regardless of the table, for example, in the off season.

But I suppose he could be unable to read the table?

Eh? Why do you say that?

[thenodrog]

Good.

Glad you know when you are beaten; it is a good personality trait

It's odds on that you might get reminded of that statement within the next 2 to 3 years when we will likely all be singing from the same hymn sheet again.

[Jan]

It's natural to praise players, but to call them the best in the league at ANY time is just plain daft. In fact it shows a depressing naivety and probably explains why we're not getting any better. It also makes us a laughing stock AGAIN!

"Oh Stephen and Vince- you are the best players in the league- we can teach you nothing" (Actually the statement is probably true, just not in the way he intended!

[bubblerrovers]

Couldn't believe the Mathias quotes, shows the management team have no idea about premiership football, Think he still compares the players to league 2 players. I have a feeling in a couple of weeks when we've lost the next couple games this thread will get very popular again.

[CrazyIvan]

Couldn't believe the Mathias quotes, shows the management team have no idea about premiership football, Think he still compares the players to league 2 players. I have a feeling in a couple of weeks when we've lost the next couple games this thread will get very popular again.

I don't know how you come to that conclusion from Matthias quotes. In the first half they were exceptional, I don't quite agree with the statement that they were the best in the league but they were very good. Your post is another example of someone jumping on a quote in a paper, twisting it and making a broad sweeping statement that knocks the management for no good reason other than to prove your own point of view. The old adage of if you haven't got anything good to say, don't say anything at all applies to you because you've never said anything worthwhile as far as I can remember.

[Bennisfromheaven]

Come on guys, do you not think this is a little known management technique known as encouragement!?!?! ....The quality Ince & his management team were known for before they got here was they got the best out of the players, make them feel 10 foot tall (with samba its 15ft) & they will play with confidence. I like the fact Ince & his team are bigging up these players! if they were slating them it would be a different story!!

Some people on here just want to complain for the sake of it,. From the outside what i am seeing is a unified squad with growing confidence & this will only help results!!

[brfcs5359]

Come on guys, do you not think this is a little known management technique known as encouragement!?!?! ....The quality Ince & his management team were known for before they got here was they got the best out of the players, make them feel 10 foot tall (with samba its 15ft) & they will play with confidence. I like the fact Ince & his team are bigging up these players! if they were slating them it would be a different story!!

Some people on here just want to complain for the sake of it,. From the outside what i am seeing is a unified squad with growing confidence & this will only help results!!

True and I agree.

But I think Ince is also quick to say "I am here to help you iron out your faults". Jason Roberts miss at Bolton was pointed out politiely as "unacceptable" and he was dropped without knocking his general game. Ince will be saying he's a good player (though I am sure he like us knows he isn't) and working on the training ground.

Ince is far more honest, down to earth in post match interviews than Hughes ever will be and it's refreshing. He doesn't slag players or pull up their failings for nothing and offer nothing but a one way ticket to somewhere else (Souness). I'll give Hughes some credit, he kept a disciplined squad by being a hard task master. But in the end, like Souey, players began to play with fear (and that's why he had to go). With Ince there isn't fear. Jason you missed a sitter, have a rest son!

[CrazyIvan]

True and I agree.

But I think Ince is also quick to say "I am here to help you iron out your faults". Jason Roberts miss at Bolton was pointed out politiely as "unacceptable" and he was dropped. Ince is far more honest, down to earth than Hughes ever will and it's refreshing. He doesn't slag players or pull up their failings for nothing and offer nothing but a one way ticket to somewhere else (Souness). I'll give Hughes some credit, he kept a disciplined squad by being a hard task master. But in the end, like Souey, players began to play with fear (and that's why he had to go). With Ince there isn't fear. Jason you missed a sitter, have a rest son!

Yeah, I think that is showing through. Benni was told he wasn't fit enough and was given time to get himself back in shape. He has and with a smile on his face too and he looks like he might be returning to the player we saw two seasons ago. That's good management in my book.

[brfcs5359]

Totally agree and players are playing without fear. That's why I am a big Ince fan. That plus attacking PASSING football plus decent signings. Carlos, Grella, Robinson, Andrews (great value/good player). I don't count Fowler as he is not a significant part of the team, has no future, and is only on a 3 month contract.

What the anti-Ince brigade know about football you could fit on the back of a postage stamp.