[Archived] Paul's Progress

[philipl]

Do keep up Rev. In my assessment of Paul Ince I gave him a thumbs up for keeping good guy Brad until we hasd signed Robinson and a thumbs down for changing his mind about bad boy Bentley and letting him go before we had an as good replacement.

A report of the £9.5m offer for Joaquin.

Daily Telegraph report

[RevidgeBlue]

Do keep up Rev. In my assessment of Paul Ince I gave him a thumbs up for keeping good guy Brad until we hasd signed Robinson and a thumbs down for changing his mind about bad boy Bentley and letting him go before we had an as good replacement.

A report of the £9.5m offer for Joaquin.

"Reportedly" "Believed to have"

I will believe your contention that Ince has a huge warchest (by our standards) at his disposal when he spends it in January. And if he does, the few months sitting back to get up to speed on players of a different quality might well be a wise move.

[BRFC95]

a thumbs down for changing his mind about bad boy Bentley and letting him go before we had an as good replacement.

Didn't Ince say that Carlos was the creative replacement for Bent boy?

[joey_big_nose]

I do feel that it is unfair to expect Ince to just pick up where Hughes left off.

1. Hughes had an excellent scouting network at his disposal

2. Ince's has his own tactics and way of running a team. He can't climb in Hughes head and steal the way he instructs the players. It doesn't matter if we got in Mourinho, he would still require to change things to suit the way in which he sets up the squad.

3. Ince was a new individual who did not know the players.

All of these things are not Ince's fault, they affect every manager who comes into a club out there. As I have said previously Ince has actually been doign quite well compared to many of the managers who have come into their clubs in the last 12 months. We are also playing decent football.

Can anyone come up with an example of a Premiership club with an excellent manager who goes on to work for a "bigger" team, whose replacment has come in and done better? Thats the context of this.

Only examples I can think of:

Allerdyce to Lee at Bolton (utter disaster)

Souness to Hughes at Rovers (took a while for Hughes to get things going)

McClaren to Southgate at Boro (took a while...)

Eriksson to Hughes at CIty (where are they at the moment?)

Redknapp to Adams at Portsmouth (lets see how that turns out...)

Curbishley to whatshis name at Charlton (utter disaster)

I don't really think there is anyone out there who has done a job vastly better than Ince. He is finding his feet and the way we are playign is encouraging. This debate is pointless, we need a couple more months to make real conclusions.

Didn't Ince say that Carlos was the creative replacement for Bent boy?

As we were looking for a replacement right up to deadline day I don't think this is true.

A winger will come in over January. Although with Emerton looking decent enough it could well be a left winger rather than a right.

[CrazyIvan]

philipl the debate is not about what bids were made or what actually happened but your twist on them for which there is no evidence. Your opinion isn't backed up by the facts no matter how you go about trying to get them all to fit. For example, you asserted that Ince was 'desperately' viewing videos, you put the word 'desperately' in there to make it look like he was panicking and running about like a headless chicken. There's no evidence to support that view or your use of the word desperately. Managers view videos, that's public knowledge.

Take your head out of 'defensive' mode for a moment and re-read what you have said. It's your use of words to describe actions that will have been a matter of course rather than whether those things happened.

My view on your post is that there is no evidence to support what you suggest. Not that certain things didn't happen but that your twist on them isn't nescessarily the way they happened.

[philipl]

I am sorry Crazy, nothing you can write can convince me that there haven't been serious problems with Paul Ince's management nor are they over yet.

[waggy]

how can anyone compare GARETH BARRY to bentarse.BARRY is a model mature professional,knows his place and value.does anyone remenber his england caps were about 6 years apart,he has to maintian his form,bentley would sulk at the mearest mishap and his england caps might be 6 years apart

[John]

This debate is pointless, we need a couple more months to make real conclusions.

Agree.

Fair enough, comment on tactics, performance of signings so far. However, too many people are too quick to stick the knife in as soon as we lose a game.

Would be lying if I said I was not a little concerned, but give the man a proper chance.

[bellamy11]

I am sorry Crazy, nothing you can write can convince me that there haven't been serious problems with Paul Ince's management nor are they over yet.

Maybe (and quite probably) true.

But that doesn't change the fact you (and plenty of others) clearly take internet speculation and assumptions as fact when it suits your agenda.

[RevidgeBlue]

I am sorry Crazy, nothing you can write can convince me that there haven't been serious problems with Paul Ince's management nor are they over yet.

There's nothing wrong with having misgivings but you tend to present erroneous assertions like "Ince has had the money but doesn't know how to spend it" or "Ince has lost the confidence of the Board" as if they were fact.

[CrazyIvan]

I am sorry Crazy, nothing you can write can convince me that there haven't been serious problems with Paul Ince's management nor are they over yet.

I have no doubt on that but nothing you have said convinces me that there are any or, indeed, have been any serious problems with Paul Ince's management. You seem to be fixated on that and it clouds your posts with negativity. You have posted a lot of innuendo and speculation and all of it (recently) has been about poor management by Paul Ince and the supposed deeper issues at Rovers. I'm certain that if that were the case we would hear about unrest at the club and in fact the opposite is occuring. I'm not saying everything in the garden is rosy but it is nowhere near as bad as you've made it out to be.

[JAL]

The important issue is whether the disfunctionality we saw in August has been sorted out and whether Paul Ince has the pulling power with outstanding players (whom we admittedly struggle to keep hold of) to bring them to Ewood in the way we have grown accustomed on a regular basis.

This looks like being one of the key questions to how the fans view not only Paul Ince and his team but the club aswell come the January window. A quality addition or two in January would certainly help boths case for the following season.

[waggy]

just read ooijer is out tomorrow,we have no luck at all with injuries this season,that's ince's fault as well.for the 1st time ever i'm about to block posters on this board

[Ozz]

I've just got T4Es joke.

[RevidgeBlue]

The important issue is whether the disfunctionality we saw in August has been sorted out

I'm going to have to pull you up again there, if you mean by "disfunctionality" allegations of "player unrest" I think it has been well established by now that was complete bunkum.

(Unless possibly you include Bentley acting like a smacked arse in pre-season)

[philipl]

Sorry Rev, the Rovers are too important to get drawn by you.

I just hope it sorts itself out and you can carry on believing its all bunkum.

[T4E]

I've just got T4Es joke.

Slow burner?

[AndyC]

Sorry Rev, the Rovers are too important to get drawn by you.

I just hope it sorts itself out and you can carry on believing its all bunkum.

rubbish.

rev has never been afraid to speak out where he thinks the club are going wrong. He calls it like he sees it.

you're choosing to just believe the garbage written by the gutter press and never substantiated. because it helps to support your argument.

[RevidgeBlue]

Sorry Rev, the Rovers are too important to get drawn by you.

I'm sure that was an insult but I'm not quite sure. Could you please repeat that in plain English?

EDit: Having read it half a dozen times I think I see what you mean - I'm not specifically trying to rile you or "draw" you into an argument, but senior players denied allegations of unrest at the time and John Williams and Tom Finn were absolutely adamant at the last Fans Forum the stories were rubbish. A lot of the time I think we're told what the club want us to hear but in this case they were absolutely adamant and I fully believe them.

[AndyC]

philipl the debate is not about what bids were made or what actually happened but your twist on them for which there is no evidence. Your opinion isn't backed up by the facts no matter how you go about trying to get them all to fit. For example, you asserted that Ince was 'desperately' viewing videos, you put the word 'desperately' in there to make it look like he was panicking and running about like a headless chicken. There's no evidence to support that view or your use of the word desperately. Managers view videos, that's public knowledge.

Take your head out of 'defensive' mode for a moment and re-read what you have said. It's your use of words to describe actions that will have been a matter of course rather than whether those things happened.

My view on your post is that there is no evidence to support what you suggest. Not that certain things didn't happen but that your twist on them isn't nescessarily the way they happened.

and there we have it.

its one thing to be concerned about the management team of paul ince.

its another thing entirely, to try and incite your fellow supporters into believing your conspiracy theories and making them more salacious and juicy by adding words as ivan points out.

i quote - you asserted that Ince was 'desperately' viewing videos, you put the word 'desperately' in there to make it look like he was panicking and running about like a headless chicken. There's no evidence to support that view or your use of the word desperately. Managers view videos, that's public knowledge.

can you not see that making things up like that is just plain damaging for paul ince and the club that you support?

my issue with you, is that you twist the facts with bare faced lies.

[philipl]

Sorry if you are taking it personally.

There are no bare faced lies nor am I setting out to insult you and I am geninely sorry if you feel that way.

The Paul Ince story at Ewood is a very mixed bag so far- it is neither all good nor all bad. It could tip either way and I desperately hope it tips to the good side.

[CrazyIvan]

Sorry if you are taking it personally.

There are no bare faced lies nor am I setting out to insult you and I am geninely sorry if you feel that way.

The Paul Ince story at Ewood is a very mixed bag so far- it is neither all good nor all bad. It could tip either way and I desperately hope it tips to the good side.

I have to take issue with you over your use of the word 'desperately'. You used it to imply something that is completely untrue. Basically that boils down to a bare faced lie.

[philipl]

This is getting silly Crazy- I have my sources and I am not going any further.

[CrazyIvan]

No its not.

What is it then?

[philipl]

This is getting silly- I have my sources and I am not going any further.

Oops- I also have an unintended echo.