[Archived] Paul's Progress

[1864roverite]

Hey BR

can you see an alternative ?

As it stands Rovers have lost a total of 9 points they should have wrapped up in the bag after today.

that would have us on 21 points.

Instead were on 13, have a massive minus in the goals agaisnt, have a leaky defence, have masses of injuries, have an unsettled team and have the mighty chelsea on the horizon.

Looking at the fixture list we have a horrendous run coming up.

we should be beating hull, bolton,wba and boro and the like with ease

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Hey BR

can you see an alternative ?

As it stands Rovers have lost a total of 9 points they should have wrapped up in the bag after today.

that would have us on 21 points.

Instead were on 13, have a massive minus in the goals agaisnt, have a leaky defence, have masses of injuries, have an unsettled team and have the mighty chelsea on the horizon.

Looking at the fixture list we have a horrendous run coming up.

we should be beating hull, bolton,wba and boro and the like with ease

Hull I think your argument is undermined by that statement.

Anyone can beat anyone else in the EPL. Given recent form - only Boro could be classed as a "should win" match.

[mark1875]

Hey BR

can you see an alternative ?

As it stands Rovers have lost a total of 9 points they should have wrapped up in the bag after today.

that would have us on 21 points.

Instead were on 13, have a massive minus in the goals agaisnt, have a leaky defence, have masses of injuries, have an unsettled team and have the mighty chelsea on the horizon.

Looking at the fixture list we have a horrendous run coming up.

we should be beating hull, bolton,wba and boro and the like with ease

like last season we should of been beating the likes of boro(h) fulham (h) and (a) west hame (h) birmingham not to mention the likes of larissa and coventry. and im sure everyone could see no alternative but to sack the manager then!!!!!

[T4E]

Given recent form - only Boro could be classed as a "should win" match.

That would be relegation form then. To not win any of our last 5 matches is not acceptable - it's been a relatively kind set of fixtures to us.

[PAFELL]

We were told to judge Ince on results. Well after this game we'll be 11 games into the season, and I have to say the judgement will be definitely veering towards the negative side if things stay the way they are at the Hawthorns. Much too early to make a final call, but I've been discouraged a lot more than encouraged by whats been going on since he's arrived.

Rovers have played most of this game (WBA) with 10 men - yet are still the better team - the ref in this game was pathetic. oh and Keith Andrews scored the equalizer - the player nobody wanted - bet we are all glad he was playing for Rovers today.

Rovers have played some good football this season - sadly the results have not been brilliant.

It is ironic that Rovers conceeded a goal against boro even when they were by far the better team - but they still battled on to get a point. against Bolton they were the better side, Villa the same again. Ince has said that he is still learning about his players and has yet to settle on his first 11.

I do believe the signs are positive for Rovers - it will take a while for Ince to make his mark on the team. Take into consideration the breaks for the international games which meant Ince was nt able to work with the players. Sadly Rovers now have a growing injury list - plus Bennie Macarthy's upcoming suspension from being sent off today. When you look at Hull city's results this season - it looks like Rovers 11 was a good result for Rovers. Already it is a strange season all round stoke beating arsenal, Hull doing the same as well as a 43 against man u.

In my view I believe the results will soon go in Rovers favour.

[mark1875]

lets rewind to 2004 and remember Mark Hughes' early form in comparison to Ince's

Paul ince ----- played 11 = 13 points and won 2 cup games in between

Mark Hughes -- played 11 - 11 points and lost a cup game to a lower league side in between

Yet everyone was behind Mark Hughes!!!!!!

[AndyC]

lets rewind to 2004 and remember Mark Hughes' early form in comparison to Ince's

Paul ince ----- played 11 = 13 points and won 2 cup games in between

Mark Hughes -- played 11 - 11 points and lost a cup game to a lower league side in between

Yet everyone was behind Mark Hughes!!!!!!

ince inherited a better team though.

even if hughes has left us with no central midfield worthy of a top 10 team, or a decent left midfielder, or an aging error prone central defence. oh and had a top striker that didnt perform for the whole season!

it's not all rosy under ince, but it certainly wasnt all rosy under hughes.

well done today lads for battling back with 10 men.

[Amo]

Hughes didn't have £8m+ to bring anyone in. The transfer window was closed and he made to make do with Souness' leftovers. So it's not really comparative.

[Paul Mellelieu]

Well those of us following the game in the chat room now know that PhilipL says he has information that a. Ince in in conflict with everyone around him - or words to that effect, and b. that RSC is as good as out of the club.

[mark1875]

granted ince inherited a better team!! but we was losing bentley and friedel. and at least a quarter of ince's games have been played without Santa Cruz!

take brad and bentley out of last seasons team and i dont think it would look half as good, not to mention if santa cruz was unavailable for a quarter of last season at least

[T4E]

No matter how much you try to discredit the squad that Hughes left behind, there is no comparison. Hughes took over a team that were in the relegation zone (infact, were we bottom?) and hadn't won yet that season. Ince took over a team that has just finished 7th.

[mark1875]

i will however admit that we are in a position that needs improving - but talk of sacking the manager after 11 games is, in my opinion outrageous

[Billy Castell]

It would be a joke getting rid of Ince after 11 games, that is simply a fact. We'd be more of a joke than Spurs. Who other than BFS would want to take over a club that gets rid of its manager so soon? It always shocks me how stupid the extreme end of the anti-Ince brigade are, with people calling for him to be sacked before a game had even taken place.

Ince could have done X,Y and Z better, but he could also have done things a lot worse. Like I have said so many times before, this season is a bit of a test run and would have been the same if any other young manager took over from someone who became a cornerstone of a whole club.

[Bobby G]

Where is philipl getting his "info"?

[trueblue]

Where is philipl getting his "info"?

Ask him

[Exiled in Toronto]

Where is philipl getting his "info"?

The last time he quoted 'his sources', something about Wes Brown's contract, it turned out to be the Manchester Evening News!

But perhaps in this case Williams is choosing to confide in a serial internet poster in Malta who hasn't set foot in Ewood for decade

[philipl]

The last time he quoted 'his sources', something about Wes Brown's contract, it turned out to be the Manchester Evening News!

But perhaps in this case Williams is choosing to confide in a serial internet poster in Malta who hasn't set foot in Ewood for decade

I was not the only one on the chat room who have heard things this afternoon and I keep to what has already been posted on here- there are a number of previously regular fan posters who are very quiet.

Wes Brown got a massive new contract

Let's see what unravels at Ewood;

Ince is our manager- I want him to get his act together and put Rovers back into the top half of the division.

His inheritance was a chunking transfer fund far bigger than anything Hughes had and a club that took its UEFA Cup qualification chance to the last day plus regular Cup semi-final appearances.

Apart from joking about bottom three he said he wanted to build on what he came to. Well, please build ....

Some interesting comments here on this betting site.

[stuwilky]

That betting site article is from August.

[briansol]

I love it this season. We're no longer Bolton clone with Roque as our Kevin Davies. Some of our football has been brilliant and it's finally fun again to watch the football. Givinig youngsters a chance and dropping players out of form is also refreshing.

Also, isn't fun that The Messiah of football, Mr Mark Hughes finally learned what he could do with money. Spending 60 millions in the summer but still losing more games than winning. The man lost all credit when running to the Thai criminal.

[thenodrog]

we should be beating hull, bolton,wba and boro and the like with ease

Disagree completely. They are our close rivals.

Rovers have played most of this game (WBA) with 10 men - yet are still the better team - the ref in this game was pathetic.

Were you there pafell? I've just been told by somebody who went and has just got back and read your post that WBA were the best team throughout the match once they had gone 0-1 down.

Hughes didn't have £8m+ to bring anyone in. The transfer window was closed and he made to make do with Souness' leftovers. So it's not really comparative.

Correct it's a bloody stupid comparison used frequently to defend the current manager. Basically Hughes was working with a relegation squad when he came and with the transfer window well and truly closed. Ince on the other hand inherited a squad that has finished in the top half for 3 years and qualified for Europe for two of em.

[philipl]

...and had the biggest transfer budget since 2001/2.

[imy9]

I was not the only one on the chat room who have heard things this afternoon and I keep to what has already been posted on here- there are a number of previously regular fan posters who are very quiet.

Wes Brown got a massive new contract

Let's see what unravels at Ewood;

Ince is our manager- I want him to get his act together and put Rovers back into the top half of the division.

His inheritance was a chunking transfer fund far bigger than anything Hughes had and a club that took its UEFA Cup qualification chance to the last day plus regular Cup semi-final appearances.

Apart from joking about bottom three he said he wanted to build on what he came to. Well, please build ....

Some interesting comments here on this betting site.

We can debate Ince's team selection, his signings, etc but to state that the players are not united before him is simply bull, having seen the players warm up before the game and seen them battle til the end of the game, this side is playing for one and another and PI, you only have to look at other games this season and the fact that players are openly stating how much they are enjoying life under Ince, that is a fact.

A couple of blokes locked in a room trawling through the Daily Mail online does not constitute facts

Correct it's a bloody stupid comparison used frequently to defend the current manager. Basically Hughes was working with a relegation squad when he came and with the transfer window well and truly closed. Ince on the other hand inherited a squad that has finished in the top half for 3 years and qualified for Europe for two of em.

Agreed, however the number of injuries that PI is contending with is ridiculous, any idea how long Emerton is out for?

[Paul Mellelieu]

I hate to type this, but if I was a betting man, I'd have a few quid on a bottom three finish.

[briansol]

I hate to type this, but if I was a betting man, I'd have a few quid on a bottom three finish.

I'll gladly take that bet. We'll finish midtable after some brilliant football, some horrendous defending while people will be whinging that Hughes would've made Europe with this squad, despite him getting the sack at City after failing to qualify for CL qualifications and spesnding over 100 million.

[imy9]

I'll gladly take that bet. We'll finish midtable after some brilliant football, some horrendous defending while people will be whinging that Hughes would've made Europe with this squad, despite him getting the sack at City after failing to qualify for CL qualifications and spesnding over 100 million.

That sounds about right, I cant wait for the "lets get Hughes back campaign" once he is sacked by Man City