[Archived] Paul's Progress

[Athlete]

Tin hat time for you Tris. The gang wont like that post.

Its time to forget the Hughes days and concentrate on Ince .

lets look at the facts we are now well into the season and slipping towards the bottom 3 - could well be in bottom 3 before our next game which is Chelsea at home ( anyone think we'll get 3 points ???? )

No matter how much spin you put on results : IE : we were unlyucky we played well in parts , etc , etc . we haven't won since Newcastle away ( who at the time were in total dissaray on and off the field ) Bolton , Middlesbrough and WBA we should have been looking at winning at least 2 of those games we didnt win any .

our next few games : Chelsea at home - sorry cant realistically see us getting anything

sunderland at home - should win but we said that against Boro

Spurs away - the way spurs have picked up we'd have to be lucky

Managers live and die by results and we are sliding we need wins fast otherwise it could be a bleak run in to Christmas

[Paul Mellelieu]

It's not about Paul Ince, it's as much about what other teams are doing - and injuries to key players. The promoted three, investment over the summer and so on.

[Athlete]

It's not about Paul Ince, it's as much about what other teams are doing - and injuries to key players. The promoted three, investment over the summer and so on.

at the end of the day mate forget all factors promoted teams , etc its about results and three points !

[roversmum]

Well said, Tris. I've (almost) always tried to be positive and get fed up with all the whining - how much money have we got to spend, why haven't we spent it, whose fault was it David Bentley and Brad left, wrong substitutions, fowler (have to say agree there); moan whinge whine - look at the positives for goodness' sake. We have a young ambitious manager, the backroom staff are certainly no worse than some if not most of the other Premier League teams, we have some good players and hopefully more to come.

We are Blackburn Rovers, let's show we are proud of our club, our manager, and our players.

COME ON ROVERS!

[joey_big_nose]

It's bloody depressing reading this messageboard just now. There are too many people who have lost the plot - I don't know if it's down to overblown expectations, or simply that Paul Ince's face doesn't fit - but the basic concept of supporting the football club is being eroded.

What's happened to us? I've been proud following this team, and proud living the ups and downs. We've been there and we've done it, and made the noise. So I can't understand why this messageboard is full of people who are determined to shout the club down.

If you were to trip over this site as an outsider, you wouldn't think it was a supporters site. It reads like a bad selection from the Points of View mailbag. A group of loud mouthed losers constantly whinging and whining. Thank goodness trench warfare is history - I wouldn't want to face adversity with any of the gobshites on here, great at sniping from the sidelines but no stomach for the fight.

"Sack Ince" we read on the WBA match thread. Pathetic. This is our football club and it's time to support the manager and the team. What are you lot going to do if we DO get dragged into a relegation scrap??? Celebrate because you called it back in July, or line up behind the blue and white shirts and shout the lads to safety? I honestly think there are some people on this MB who would celebrate before they mucked in.

If all of the post match criticism which has been levelled at Paul Ince these last few weeks was cashed in, Rovers would be top of the league by some distance. Nelsen would be better than Carragher, RSC would be fitter than Rooney and Tugay would be 10 years younger. What did people expect from this season?? Finishing top? Champions League?

Mark Hughes has piloted his moneybags outfit to the same 13 points as Rovers have, even with a player who cost more than our entire 1st team squad. We're right there in the mix, but an outfit like Rovers needs everyone onside, everyone supporting, everyone pulling in the same direction. That's not happening, and that's the biggest regret for me this season.

People are putting personal dislike of Paul Ince miles in front of collective support of the club - that is the first thing which needs to change for the good of BRFC.

I totally agree. And what I don't get is that Ince hasn't been here long and has done reasonably well. There is nothing that suggest he should be fired at all.

Support the team and if things take a downturn then we will look to remove him. But he is finding his feet and doing a decent enough job.

We have only actually played considerably worse than the other teams we have matched up against two times - Man Utd and Arsenal. West Ham were marginally the better side than us. Against everybody else we have looked pretty good - particularly Everton and against Villa even though we lost.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves.

[stuwilky]

Very eloquently put Tris.

Im fed up of reading the inane ramblings of a select few who would love for Ince to get it wrong, and seemingly for Rovers to go down.

Its bordering on pathetic, and in a few notable cases obsessive.

[AndyC]

Then perhaps my judgement is nearing an end.

Having had the benefit of watching Rovers through many many seasons with different managers, and some with even less skilled staff than we have today, I have NEVER in my blue and white life felt so disillusioned about Rovers.

Even in the darkest days of Div 3 football, the near relegation back to div 3, the poor showing in Div 2, the inept relegation to Div 1 and the dark days of Hodgsons/Kidd last stands, the last days of Souness, the last days of Saxton, McKay, Pickering, Iley and the like, it has been poor fare on show. EVEN with Hughes at the helm, it was bad at times I know.

That is my opinion and I for one, hope it improves for Ince (or whoever may be in charge). The stark reality of it is, is that it WONT, not at least until its after Christmas and only then will it be too late.

To be a Rover is to fight against everything else because we are such a small outfit football wise, but believe me, this club is heading into oblivion in its current manner.

The crowds are getting smaller each and every home game

The games are being lost or drawn with a poor show on offer

There is little to get excited about

No one wants to invest in the club

It seems, on the face of it, that players such as RSC want out despite the new contract

Thats my view after all these years, if you dont like it employ the ignore button.

Its sad becasue Blackburn Rovers have suddenly not become a bad football team overnight and players do not become bad players.

Something is amiss at Ewood Park.

it's certainly your right to voice your view.

but i also have to question your motives.

It's like Chinese water torture. drip drip drip drip. every day, another negative message.

But hey - carry on and why not take another few supporters with you who were previously undecided. Is that your aim to convert supporters into your way of thinking?

It's bloody depressing reading this messageboard just now. There are too many people who have lost the plot - I don't know if it's down to overblown expectations, or simply that Paul Ince's face doesn't fit - but the basic concept of supporting the football club is being eroded.

What's happened to us? I've been proud following this team, and proud living the ups and downs. We've been there and we've done it, and made the noise. So I can't understand why this messageboard is full of people who are determined to shout the club down.

If you were to trip over this site as an outsider, you wouldn't think it was a supporters site. It reads like a bad selection from the Points of View mailbag. A group of loud mouthed losers constantly whinging and whining. Thank goodness trench warfare is history - I wouldn't want to face adversity with any of the gobshites on here, great at sniping from the sidelines but no stomach for the fight.

"Sack Ince" we read on the WBA match thread. Pathetic. This is our football club and it's time to support the manager and the team. What are you lot going to do if we DO get dragged into a relegation scrap??? Celebrate because you called it back in July, or line up behind the blue and white shirts and shout the lads to safety? I honestly think there are some people on this MB who would celebrate before they mucked in.

If all of the post match criticism which has been levelled at Paul Ince these last few weeks was cashed in, Rovers would be top of the league by some distance. Nelsen would be better than Carragher, RSC would be fitter than Rooney and Tugay would be 10 years younger. What did people expect from this season?? Finishing top? Champions League?

Mark Hughes has piloted his moneybags outfit to the same 13 points as Rovers have, even with a player who cost more than our entire 1st team squad. We're right there in the mix, but an outfit like Rovers needs everyone onside, everyone supporting, everyone pulling in the same direction. That's not happening, and that's the biggest regret for me this season.

People are putting personal dislike of Paul Ince miles in front of collective support of the club - that is the first thing which needs to change for the good of BRFC.

bang on the money Tris.

[JC4LAB]

Its the toughest league ever this season and a roller coaster ride for every club..Clubs are now paying millions just to stay where they are and I thinks its just great to see us achieve the same without the same spending...If we can keep Santa we should be OK

[den]

The only advice I can give you people, is cut yourself off from all forms of media. The same viewpoints are being aired on the official m/b, the LT and even teletext [not that I spend much time on there - honest].

Just read peoples points and make your own mind up. Unless you all reckon only positive posts are allowed?

Seriously though, what do you expect of people, they're going to say what they think no matter what anyone else would like to read.

[BRFC95]

The only advice I can give you people, is cut yourself off from all forms of media. The same viewpoints are being aired on the official m/b, the LT and even teletext [not that I spend much time on there - honest].

Just read peoples points and make your own mind up. Unless you all reckon only positive posts are allowed?

Seriously though, what do you expect of people, they're going to say what they think no matter what anyone else would like to read.

It's not what people say on here Den, it's the frequency that they say it.

It only takes one post to make a point.

[den]

It's not what people say on here Den, it's the frequency that they say it.

It only takes one post to make a point.

Both sides say things frequently BRFC95. It's a m/b. It's about opinions and no matter how annoying it can be, - it's life.

[trs]

We are neither top 5 or bottom 5, but realistically somewhere in the middle. I will reserve judgement until I see a PI team, that may not happen for a season.

Just about sums it up for me.

Give the man time, he's obviously trying to build HIS TEAM!

[trs]

It's bloody depressing reading this messageboard just now. There are too many people who have lost the plot - I don't know if it's down to overblown expectations, or simply that Paul Ince's face doesn't fit - but the basic concept of supporting the football club is being eroded.

What's happened to us? I've been proud following this team, and proud living the ups and downs. We've been there and we've done it, and made the noise. So I can't understand why this messageboard is full of people who are determined to shout the club down.

If you were to trip over this site as an outsider, you wouldn't think it was a supporters site. It reads like a bad selection from the Points of View mailbag. A group of loud mouthed losers constantly whinging and whining. Thank goodness trench warfare is history - I wouldn't want to face adversity with any of the gobshites on here, great at sniping from the sidelines but no stomach for the fight.

"Sack Ince" we read on the WBA match thread. Pathetic. This is our football club and it's time to support the manager and the team. What are you lot going to do if we DO get dragged into a relegation scrap??? Celebrate because you called it back in July, or line up behind the blue and white shirts and shout the lads to safety? I honestly think there are some people on this MB who would celebrate before they mucked in.

If all of the post match criticism which has been levelled at Paul Ince these last few weeks was cashed in, Rovers would be top of the league by some distance. Nelsen would be better than Carragher, RSC would be fitter than Rooney and Tugay would be 10 years younger. What did people expect from this season?? Finishing top? Champions League?

Mark Hughes has piloted his moneybags outfit to the same 13 points as Rovers have, even with a player who cost more than our entire 1st team squad. We're right there in the mix, but an outfit like Rovers needs everyone onside, everyone supporting, everyone pulling in the same direction. That's not happening, and that's the biggest regret for me this season.

People are putting personal dislike of Paul Ince miles in front of collective support of the club - that is the first thing which needs to change for the good of BRFC.

Without doubt, one of the best posts I've ever read on this MB.

[des]

The one thing that mamgers need and do not get is time.

man utd would not have won all the cups etc if there had not given AF time.

Fans are sometimes the worse for this, a club will only go forward if the coaching system is given time to develop, yes it can be hard, but we have to take the long term stance.

we will end hope about lower middle of the table, which is ok for his first go.

we need to give him at least two-three seasons, like we did with MH, then we can judge him as a manger.

[Amo]

we need to give him at least two-three seasons, like we did with MH, then we can judge him as a manger.

Even if we're in the Championship?

[Bennisfromheaven]

It's bloody depressing reading this messageboard just now. There are too many people who have lost the plot - I don't know if it's down to overblown expectations, or simply that Paul Ince's face doesn't fit - but the basic concept of supporting the football club is being eroded.

What's happened to us? I've been proud following this team, and proud living the ups and downs. We've been there and we've done it, and made the noise. So I can't understand why this messageboard is full of people who are determined to shout the club down.

If you were to trip over this site as an outsider, you wouldn't think it was a supporters site. It reads like a bad selection from the Points of View mailbag. A group of loud mouthed losers constantly whinging and whining. Thank goodness trench warfare is history - I wouldn't want to face adversity with any of the gobshites on here, great at sniping from the sidelines but no stomach for the fight.

"Sack Ince" we read on the WBA match thread. Pathetic. This is our football club and it's time to support the manager and the team. What are you lot going to do if we DO get dragged into a relegation scrap??? Celebrate because you called it back in July, or line up behind the blue and white shirts and shout the lads to safety? I honestly think there are some people on this MB who would celebrate before they mucked in.

If all of the post match criticism which has been levelled at Paul Ince these last few weeks was cashed in, Rovers would be top of the league by some distance. Nelsen would be better than Carragher, RSC would be fitter than Rooney and Tugay would be 10 years younger. What did people expect from this season?? Finishing top? Champions League?

Mark Hughes has piloted his moneybags outfit to the same 13 points as Rovers have, even with a player who cost more than our entire 1st team squad. We're right there in the mix, but an outfit like Rovers needs everyone onside, everyone supporting, everyone pulling in the same direction. That's not happening, and that's the biggest regret for me this season.

People are putting personal dislike of Paul Ince miles in front of collective support of the club - that is the first thing which needs to change for the good of BRFC.

Mark Hughes has also had longer at his new club than Ince, years of premier league experience & a back room staff he knows & trusts well

These are all advantages MH has over PI, so, stop critisizing our manager & let him get on with it & maybe in a couple of years we will again be claiming to have one of the best young managers in the country!

[Eddie]

Even if we're in the Championship?

Last time I looked we were in the premiership. When that changes we can talk about it.

[Amo]

Last time I looked we were in the premiership. When that changes we can talk about it.

But he's saying give Ince 2-3 unconditional seasons before passing judgement.

[Manchester Blue]

It's bloody depressing reading this messageboard just now. There are too many people who have lost the plot - I don't know if it's down to overblown expectations, or simply that Paul Ince's face doesn't fit - but the basic concept of supporting the football club is being eroded.

What's happened to us? I've been proud following this team, and proud living the ups and downs. We've been there and we've done it, and made the noise. So I can't understand why this messageboard is full of people who are determined to shout the club down.

If you were to trip over this site as an outsider, you wouldn't think it was a supporters site. It reads like a bad selection from the Points of View mailbag. A group of loud mouthed losers constantly whinging and whining. Thank goodness trench warfare is history - I wouldn't want to face adversity with any of the gobshites on here, great at sniping from the sidelines but no stomach for the fight.

"Sack Ince" we read on the WBA match thread. Pathetic. This is our football club and it's time to support the manager and the team. What are you lot going to do if we DO get dragged into a relegation scrap??? Celebrate because you called it back in July, or line up behind the blue and white shirts and shout the lads to safety? I honestly think there are some people on this MB who would celebrate before they mucked in.

If all of the post match criticism which has been levelled at Paul Ince these last few weeks was cashed in, Rovers would be top of the league by some distance. Nelsen would be better than Carragher, RSC would be fitter than Rooney and Tugay would be 10 years younger. What did people expect from this season?? Finishing top? Champions League?

Mark Hughes has piloted his moneybags outfit to the same 13 points as Rovers have, even with a player who cost more than our entire 1st team squad. We're right there in the mix, but an outfit like Rovers needs everyone onside, everyone supporting, everyone pulling in the same direction. That's not happening, and that's the biggest regret for me this season.

People are putting personal dislike of Paul Ince miles in front of collective support of the club - that is the first thing which needs to change for the good of BRFC.

Haven't read any of the responses to this yet but i'm entirely sure i can predict them. However I wanted to say I agree 100%, i've pretty much given up posting and barely read this board anymore. I know a load of Citeh fans and apart from the odd exception they are right behind Hughes and whilst obviously not happy they think he has to be given time.

Maybe the majorty isn't against Ince just the majority of people who post, i'm not sure but it becomes tiresome to read the same opinions from the same people over and over and over and over. If the players and Ince have the same negative mentality then it really is too late.

[Amo]

Honest question to some of you: Do you honestly feel we have no right to be worried when we have the worst defence in the league, are failing to beat our rivals, and haven't replaced our best player?

No, we aren't bottom. Yes, it could be worse. But if we're to compete in the Premier league, we need better impetus than that.

[Billy Castell]

It's bloody depressing reading this messageboard just now. There are too many people who have lost the plot - I don't know if it's down to overblown expectations, or simply that Paul Ince's face doesn't fit - but the basic concept of supporting the football club is being eroded.

What's happened to us? I've been proud following this team, and proud living the ups and downs. We've been there and we've done it, and made the noise. So I can't understand why this messageboard is full of people who are determined to shout the club down.

If you were to trip over this site as an outsider, you wouldn't think it was a supporters site. It reads like a bad selection from the Points of View mailbag. A group of loud mouthed losers constantly whinging and whining. Thank goodness trench warfare is history - I wouldn't want to face adversity with any of the gobshites on here, great at sniping from the sidelines but no stomach for the fight.

"Sack Ince" we read on the WBA match thread. Pathetic. This is our football club and it's time to support the manager and the team. What are you lot going to do if we DO get dragged into a relegation scrap??? Celebrate because you called it back in July, or line up behind the blue and white shirts and shout the lads to safety? I honestly think there are some people on this MB who would celebrate before they mucked in.

If all of the post match criticism which has been levelled at Paul Ince these last few weeks was cashed in, Rovers would be top of the league by some distance. Nelsen would be better than Carragher, RSC would be fitter than Rooney and Tugay would be 10 years younger. What did people expect from this season?? Finishing top? Champions League?

Mark Hughes has piloted his moneybags outfit to the same 13 points as Rovers have, even with a player who cost more than our entire 1st team squad. We're right there in the mix, but an outfit like Rovers needs everyone onside, everyone supporting, everyone pulling in the same direction. That's not happening, and that's the biggest regret for me this season.

People are putting personal dislike of Paul Ince miles in front of collective support of the club - that is the first thing which needs to change for the good of BRFC.

Spot on. Some of the scum here are aching for us to be relegated just so they can say I told you so. These pathetic sub-human sausage jockeys are not Rovers fans, but miserable wretches who only care about being proven right. The club does not need these closet claret wearers dragging it down into gloom with their constant personal attacks on the manager and players. A great number of the numbskulls here are an embarrasment to the club, and to football with their kneejerk criticism and ill-disguised glee whenever there is even the most trivial point to pour scorn upon. Go and support a 'big 4' club so you can boast and bitch about the other big 4 teams and clog the national airwaves with your BS. Leave Rovers and generally shove off.

[Mr Creosote]

Honest question to some of you: Do you honestly feel we have no right to be worried when we have the worst defence in the league, are failing to beat our rivals, and haven't replaced our best player?

No, we aren't bottom. Yes, it could be worse. But if we're to compete in the Premier league, we need better impetus than that.

Of course I'm worried, I think we all are. I expected a season of struggle from the moment we appointed a relatively inexperienced manager ahead of what appeared to be more suitable candidates. Thing is I and others were grown up enough to know Ince is going nowhere in the short term and the best thing for us to do for BRFC is to back the manager and hope for the best. If we are in the bottom three at christmas I will want him out to give a new man a shot at the transfer window and save our premiership skins . We wont be though and we aren't going down. Now stop acting like spoilt kids who havn't got their way and cut out the bellyaching ffs.

[1864roverite]

Billy

It is a very simple equation thus far.

The club APPEARS to be taking a backward step (or three) to move 1 step forward.

That is what the concern is about.

We have seen the outlay of clubs around us and we know that its the extra tv money that has been spent.

Rovers have failed, be it the manager or baord, to adequately replace the main player lost in close season and have FAILED to address the obvious shortfalls of resources required to survive this league.

In a nut shell thats it

[vintageadidas]

Can some of you anti-ince # please tell me how we are taking steps backwards?????????

[Stylish kid in the Riot]

I do feel that people are getting a little carried away to easily and far to early though i have to say that this season does concern me. We have played well in patches and Im reasonably satisfied with were we are in the table. However what alarms me is not getting beat, but the way and manner in which we lose. I hate to say it but it reminds of the late souness days were there is no leadership, organisation and look all over the show. The west ham, arsenal and utd games were some of the most embarrasing I have ever seen.

I do see good things in Ince and we have to stick with him, get behind him and realise that it will take time. Lets not forget some of the games we watched at ewood under Hughes where i would often have to put matchsticks between my eyes to stay awake! He is learning all the time and feel he will come good. January is the crunch time, we need to be in the top ten to attract new players and keep hold of Roque.