[Archived] Paul's Progress

[Amo]

Can some of you anti-ince # please tell me how we are taking steps backwards?????????

We're far easier to beat...?

[Hughesy]

Honest question to some of you: Do you honestly feel we have no right to be worried when we have the worst defence in the league, are failing to beat our rivals, and haven't replaced our best player?

No, we aren't bottom. Yes, it could be worse. But if we're to compete in the Premier league, we need better impetus than that.

Worst Defence in the league? On stats maybe, but take out the 4's by Arsenal & West Ham when we had no organisation. It has tightened up 200% since then!

Failing to beat who of our rivals? Villa & West Ham?! (did we beat them last season? ).

Yes we havent replaced Bentley (he was our best player once in every 5 games, so i assume this is who you mean?), but would you rather we wasted £8m in the summer on a Euro flop then it would give you something else to whinge about?

We're far easier to beat...?

Is this not a case of we dont have the players to play in those type of positions Ince would want and also the style of our game is changing? Hughes was the one that sold Savage but didnt replace him. Our new defensive midfielder has played 2 games in the last 2 months, give him time to settle in.

[Amo]

Worst Defence in the league? On stats maybe, but take out the 4's by Arsenal & West Ham when we had no organisation. It has tightened up 200% since then!

Why conveniently overlook results? Why was there no organisation anyway?

Where does the random % come from?

Failing to beat who of our rivals? Villa & West Ham?!

Don't forget Boro & Bolton.

(did we beat them last season? ).

Does it matter?

Yes we havent replaced Bentley (he was our best player once in every 5 games, so i assume this is who you mean?), but would you rather we wasted £8m in the summer on a Euro flop then it would give you something else to whinge about?

Was that the only option then?

[Athlete]

Why conveniently overlook results? Why was there no organisation anyway?

Where does the random % come from?

Don't forget Boro & Bolton.

Does it matter?

Was that the only option then?

Unfortunately we are not winning and its winning what counts and as I've said before a manager lives by and dies by results - as fans we only want the best for Rovers , I wasn't thrilled when Ince was appointed but you've got to let him get on with it but as previously sated by next weekend we could be in the bottom 3 especially as our game is V Chelsea - once down there we could be in for a long hard winter .

[Mr Creosote]

We're far easier to beat...?

Right, you've made your point, you dont like Ince.

Just where is your constant whining getting us?

[Amo]

I could ask the same about your rose-coloured glasses.

[DE.]

Worst Defence in the league? On stats maybe, but take out the 4's by Arsenal & West Ham when we had no organisation. It has tightened up 200% since then!

Failing to beat who of our rivals? Villa & West Ham?! (did we beat them last season? ).

Yes we havent replaced Bentley (he was our best player once in every 5 games, so i assume this is who you mean?), but would you rather we wasted £8m in the summer on a Euro flop then it would give you something else to whinge about?

Is this not a case of we dont have the players to play in those type of positions Ince would want and also the style of our game is changing? Hughes was the one that sold Savage but didnt replace him. Our new defensive midfielder has played 2 games in the last 2 months, give him time to settle in.

Bolton, Boro, Hull? We also didn't deserve to beat Newcastle and I imagine will get beaten by Tottenham when they play us. That's a lot of teams below us who are looking to overtake.

I'm not anti-Ince at all, I think he's doing the best he can with what he's got. However, our worries are numerous. Robbo's not as bad as i thought he'd be but with Samba and Nelsen in front of him, how is he ever going to get his full confidence back? I have no idea what has happened to these two recently, but they aren't the players I remember once considering two of the best at the club. A lot of our 'star' players are going missing right now, either through injury/suspension (Dunn, RSC, Benni Mac) or on the pitch (MGP). Hard grafters like Emerton are getting praise, whilst Villenueva is still adapting to life in the premiership. Grella so far has looked way out of his depth (adapting, hopefully?), and Andrews isn't the type of player to inspire confidence, with much of the game passing him by. Up front if RSC gets injured we have all sorts of issues, Roberts doesn't score enough (though I rate him as a hard working front man), Derbs is at best an impact-sub, and Benni Mac is class when he chooses to be. Fowler... no.

I think we will finish outside of the relegation zone this year, but it will be tight. We should write off Chelsea, and look towards getting 3 points out of Sunderland, as that would be a huge boost for a club who has now not won in 5 games, most of which were winnable. There is no way I can see us finishing above the top ten, we simply lack the ambition or funds for it right now.

[Mr Creosote]

I could ask the same about your rose-coloured glasses.

Daft as well as tedious.

[RevidgeBlue]

We are in a relegation battle

Are we?

Last time I looked we were only two points off the relegation places, but only two points off seventh as well and hadn't occupied the relegation spots at any time this season.

But I suppose the fact the League seems far tighter this season is Ince's fault as well!

[gumboots]

I'm not wearing rose-coloured glasses nor blue and white ones. I am concerned that we are not winning games that we probably should have a good chance of winning. I am concerned that we have conceded so many goals and scored so few. However, I am not going to start whingeing and moaning about the manager, suggesting that the players don't like him/want to play for him or whatever. The manager is currently going nowhere and I like some of the things he's trying to do. I dread relegation as much as the next person, although I'd still be there supporting my team if it happened. I want Ince to succeed because if he does, Rovers do. It doesn't mean I don't want to hear any criticism of him, or that I myself have not felt critical of some of the choices he's made. I do, however, think that moaning after every game and constantly putting the manager down is ridiculous. Supporters support. They prop teams up when they look a bit wobbly. They encourage and look for the good bits rather than always seeing the faults first. I'm not 100% convinced that Ince will turn out to be good for Rovers, but he's what we've got at the moment and what we are likely to have for the foreseeable future unless he chooses to leave. We need to get behind him and give him the best chance we can of succeeding. That's not to say never criticise anything he does, but to stop the constant sniping and comparisons to other managers who chose to leave us.

[broadsword]

there are some positives at the moment. i don't think it's all doom and gloom, but we do need to pull a win out of the bag somewhere along the line.

[philipl]

I think we were 18th at one stage Rev.

And I don't want to go back there.

[Exiled in Toronto]

I think we were 18th at one stage Rev.

And I don't want to go back there.

Agreed. It wasn't nice at all when we were there under Hughes three seasons running.

[RevidgeBlue]

It's bloody depressing reading this messageboard just now. There are too many people who have lost the plot - I don't know if it's down to overblown expectations, or simply that Paul Ince's face doesn't fit - but the basic concept of supporting the football club is being eroded.

What's happened to us? I've been proud following this team, and proud living the ups and downs. We've been there and we've done it, and made the noise. So I can't understand why this messageboard is full of people who are determined to shout the club down.

If you were to trip over this site as an outsider, you wouldn't think it was a supporters site. It reads like a bad selection from the Points of View mailbag. A group of loud mouthed losers constantly whinging and whining. Thank goodness trench warfare is history - I wouldn't want to face adversity with any of the gobshites on here, great at sniping from the sidelines but no stomach for the fight.

"Sack Ince" we read on the WBA match thread. Pathetic. This is our football club and it's time to support the manager and the team. What are you lot going to do if we DO get dragged into a relegation scrap??? Celebrate because you called it back in July, or line up behind the blue and white shirts and shout the lads to safety? I honestly think there are some people on this MB who would celebrate before they mucked in.

If all of the post match criticism which has been levelled at Paul Ince these last few weeks was cashed in, Rovers would be top of the league by some distance. Nelsen would be better than Carragher, RSC would be fitter than Rooney and Tugay would be 10 years younger. What did people expect from this season?? Finishing top? Champions League?

Mark Hughes has piloted his moneybags outfit to the same 13 points as Rovers have, even with a player who cost more than our entire 1st team squad. We're right there in the mix, but an outfit like Rovers needs everyone onside, everyone supporting, everyone pulling in the same direction. That's not happening, and that's the biggest regret for me this season.

People are putting personal dislike of Paul Ince miles in front of collective support of the club - that is the first thing which needs to change for the good of BRFC.

Good post Tris.

I'm not one for going in for all that "punching above our weight" and "we should be greatful to be in this league" crap. We were artificially supported initially by Jack Walker and now by TV money and I do expect us to be competitive.

That said a lot of people do seem to be letting their personal dislike for Ince, and their initial opposition to his appointment, over-ride anything else. I would have expected the sort of comments we've had on here had we made a start similar to Spurs or Newcastle. We haven't, we haven't been in the bottom 3 at any point this season and are in a very similar position to fourteen out of the other twenty clubs. So if Ince is failing at his job, so are fourteen other Premiership managers by implication.

The other thing that people are making no allowance whatsoever for is the fact that both Ince and the entire backroom staff have only been at the club about four months. I don't think there's any way you can have an upheaval like that and expect things to carry on working as if nothing has happened. Things will take time to settle down.

I think we're doing O.k. Not brilliantly, or disastrously but ok. There's obviously quite a lot of room for improvement, which hopefully we'll see in the second half of the season once the new regime is more established.

But I could have said that every season Hughes was here really and Ince certainly needs to be given a sporting chance. Only eleven games into his Ewood tenure, mid table, yet people are screaming for his head.

Weird.

I think we were 18th at one stage Rev.

Were we? When?

[rovers1993]

i am still for ince and i think once we get all our players back we will be rolling on as the results before the injuries started happening was very encouraging and the way dunny was playing was out of the world so i am just excited for the time when all our players are back..

p.s. emerton out for 2-4 weeks now! i feel for incey, he's been trying to do his best but this injury list is growing like a mad dog!

[Hughesy]

Why conveniently overlook results? Why was there no organisation anyway?

Don't forget Boro & Bolton.

Was that the only option then?

It was early days, since then our defence has worked on it, and tightened up.

Last season we also drew with Boro 1-1. Yes ok last season we did beat Bolton - so thats a difference.

The only option for right wing? No we made a move for Lopez (trial - not good enough), pennant (failed at 10pm on deadline day) & Joaquin (but real became interested and the price jumped). Thats 3 + we turned down the offer of Lennon. How many more do you want us to go for? Or would you rather we just rush the decision, sign the 8th choice right winger and hope it pays off? And if not, people like you can have a go? Personally im glad they kept their powder dry, it made sense to me given the above.

Bolton, Boro, Hull? We also didn't deserve to beat Newcastle and I imagine will get beaten by Tottenham when they play us. That's a lot of teams below us who are looking to overtake.

Grella so far has looked way out of his depth (adapting, hopefully?), and Andrews isn't the type of player to inspire confidence, with much of the game passing him by.

I think we will finish outside of the relegation zone this year, but it will be tight. We should write off Chelsea, and look towards getting 3 points out of Sunderland, as that would be a huge boost for a club who has now not won in 5 games, most of which were winnable. There is no way I can see us finishing above the top ten, we simply lack the ambition or funds for it right now.

Grella was class against Boro (only his 2nd game) and Andrew scored a cracker at West Brom on saturday.

As for Hull , only us & United have taken any points off them at home this season. Does that mean Wenger should get the sack because they didnt?

Didnt deserve to beat Newcastle? Did you go? I think by half time we should of been 4 or 5 clear, so im sure we did deserve to win.

Are we?

Last time I looked we were only two points off the relegation places, but only two points off seventh as well and hadn't occupied the relegation spots at any time this season.

But I suppose the fact the League seems far tighter this season is Ince's fault as well!

YES YOUR RIGHT!!! Ince is to blame! Lets all hang ourselves, and blame him.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

This board is going to be some fun this coming Sunday evening I'll tell thee!!

The question has to be asked why cant people respect the opinions of other's without the abuse?

There appears to be only a few who have jumped on the Ince out Bandwagon,I think most poster's are being just rational and honest in expressing their worries and fears for the club.......dont shy away from tackling the main concerns for christs sake,that's what this MB is all about isn't it?

For some to state they think others poster want the club relegated to purely justify their supposed 'anti-Ince' stance is for me pure shi.....well,lets' just say I'm having non of it.

Everything is NOT rosey in the Rovers garden.

[waggy]

Disgraceful comments really Waggy,what does it matter what colour their skin is?

Are you really so shallow that you judge a person by the fact their skin is a darker colour than yours?

Truly the ramblings of a neanderthal,i had you down for being more intelligent than that.

well i'm a ince fan,what i am saying my uncle says it as it is,posters on here try to hide the fact that there racist

[roversmum]

Please could someone tell me, why someone's skin being a different colour, makes any difference? We are all human beings and I've never, ever, understood it at all.

No doubt your uncle had a different view a couple of seasons ago when Benni was banging the goals in, Waggy.

[den]

well i'm a ince fan,what i am saying my uncle says it as it is,posters on here try to hide the fact that there racist

and you call me a tool Waggy!

[Athlete]

well i'm a ince fan,what i am saying my uncle says it as it is,posters on here try to hide the fact that there racist

DON'T THINK CREED OR COLOUR SHOULD COME IN TO IT !

[Sandiway Blue]

well i'm a ince fan,what i am saying my uncle says it as it is,posters on here try to hide the fact that there racist

So when you quoted this in your post "i don't like em,but realise we live in a multi-racial society" was that your opinion or a continuation of what your Uncle said because it is a little confusing.

[Parsonblue]

Are we?

Last time I looked we were only two points off the relegation places, but only two points off seventh as well and hadn't occupied the relegation spots at any time this season.

But I suppose the fact the League seems far tighter this season is Ince's fault as well!

Maybe you're not old enough to remember 65-66 Rev. But believe me we managed to sleepwalk our way into relegation by believing that we had too many good players to do down.

I totally agree that the League is tighter this season and at no point will you find that I blame Ince for that. Indeed, if you read my post you know that it asked for the Hughes/Ince bickering to stop and for the fans to get behind the manager because of the situation we are in. Three points out of the last fifteen and a mounting injury list are points that can't be ignored.

I agree that we are playing some good football but, unfortunately, we are not collecting the points that our play deserves - and the very fact that many of the clubs in the bottom half are so evenly matched means that a run of bad results can very quickly drop you into the relegation zone.

I don't think my last post - or this one for that matter - could be described as anti-Ince. It's in all our interests for him to succeed. However, I also feel that it's reasonable for supporters to discuss their concerns on a Blackburn Rovers messageboard. Unfortunately, feelings appear to be running high - in the same way that many threatened to return season tickets if Big Sam had been appointed - and that doesn't make for good discussion.

As I said before, if Ince can marry his attractive footballing style with some of the "in your face aggression" that we displayed under Hughes, then I feel sure he will pull us away from the bottom once the injuries ease and he can field a settled side.

[BRFC95]

Please could someone tell me, why someone's skin being a different colour, makes any difference? We are all human beings and I've never, ever, understood it at all.

Everytime I've seen anyone interviewed about the Presidential election in the US, be it joe public, celebrities or politicians, that is the main talking point. Obviously it matters to a hell of a lot of people.

[CrazyIvan]

How should I see a man? Should I see his colour? His race? His religion? See his politics? His sexual identity? His disability? His history? Or should I see his words and his actions? Should I see the true worth of a man by what he does rather than what he is? To see a man any other way is not to be a man.