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I'm still maintaining a positive atitude which is neither pro nor anti Ince.

Thats very commendable CrazyIvan, but we've got the joint worst defensive record with the worst goals scored home record and now injuries to key players are creeping up whilst we head in the wrong direction in the league - alarm bells must be ringing.

The supporters who've stopped going seem to be the ones who have made their decision and dont see Rovers at home as an attractive proposition at least for now.

Ince and his team so far have failed to galvanise the club and inspire the supporters the reception Robbis Fowler got from the riverside when he came was well i've never seen an Ewood Park crowd so divivded as half applauded whilst the other half booed him onto the pitch - that is far from an healthy situation.

Maybe our attentions should really focus on John Williams and the board and their ability to manage the club.

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I think Williams went for the cheap option, hoping he'd pull off another coup like he did with Hughes. There was supposed to be money left in the kitty, so if you include the Bentley/Friedel deals and the investors' sum, we should have invested in strengthening the team. Instead, Ince has only made one solid signing so far - Robinson. Simpson has been anonymous (and would return to United anyway), we've paid £4m for Grella who's either crocked or being rushed back, Villanueva hardly plays in his right position, Andrews who is a squad player we didn't need, and Robbie Fowler.

Either Ince is naively setting his sights too low, or Williams is trying to blag us through this season without opening the coffers.

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Either Ince is naively setting his sights too low, or Williams is trying to blag us through this season without opening the coffers.

I'd go for both though, I dont think Ince knows what it takes or is required at this level to be a successful manager.

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Since he played under Ferguson, Houllier, I would guess he knows what it takes to be a successful manager at this level.

Why do you base it on hes played under some great managers so he must know what hes doing, if his thought process isnt that good and his ability to understand recruit and implement effectively how can you compare.

Ince is unqualified and looks to be appointing nearly everybody to coach various aspects of the team so I see a wild asumption made there majiball. Also Inces appointment of Winterburn and possibly Cole also novices, raises questions again.

If I thought the team was strong enough to stand alone I wouldnt have a problem with appointing novice coaches but it isnt.

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I'd go for both though, I dont think Ince knows what it takes or is required at this level to be a successful manager.

give the guy a break FFS, Ince has been very unlucky with injurys since he has been at the club, once he gets some of his better players back i am sure the results will improve.

Finishing mid table this season will be a very good season for Rovers, which is were i think we will be come May.

If you are to blame anyone right now, it has to be the chairman, he appointed Paul Ince and should of given him more money to spend on players in the summer to help improve the ever under performaning squad that Hughes left him.

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If Ince was fired or resigned, Ray Mathias would be in temporary charge or Archie bloody Knox.

I would fear how bad it would get then!

If JW does cut the strings, I'd hope for something similar ala Spuds by getting the replacement in immediately.

And we can afford to waste money of the kind they spent getting their new manager? One thing I, as an Ince neutral, am tired of is people saying how much money Ince had to spend. HOW DO YOU KNOW? Are you privy to what goes on at Rovers Board level? The club may have made money and the board may have to decide to spend more than they might like in January, but at the moment we have no idea what was available to Ince. We have no idea what wages players who might have been targets were asking and whether we could meet them. I don't mind if you want to have a go at Ince for tactics, substitutions, formations or team selection, because those are opinion. However, to talk as though it was fact that there was plenty of money to be spent and Ince didn't spend it is not open to opinion, and we don't know the facts. I'm not a hypocrite. I don't hark back to Hughes achievements and then slate him. I thought he was good for us for a number of years until he started getting itchy feet, and even then did a mostly good job. I just can't see that we are any worse off than a large number of other clubs who are struggling to find any decent consistent performances. The only thing is that fans of most other clubs are not yet calling for their manager's head and haven't been from before he was appointed. (City fans are but then they have delusions of grandeur now they've got dosh)

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And we can afford to waste money of the kind they spent getting their new manager? One thing I, as an Ince neutral, am tired of is people saying how much money Ince had to spend. HOW DO YOU KNOW? Are you privy to what goes on at Rovers Board level? The club may have made money and the board may have to decide to spend more than they might like in January, but at the moment we have no idea what was available to Ince. We have no idea what wages players who might have been targets were asking and whether we could meet them. I don't mind if you want to have a go at Ince for tactics, substitutions, formations or team selection, because those are opinion. However, to talk as though it was fact that there was plenty of money to be spent and Ince didn't spend it is not open to opinion, and we don't know the facts. I'm not a hypocrite. I don't hark back to Hughes achievements and then slate him. I thought he was good for us for a number of years until he started getting itchy feet, and even then did a mostly good job. I just can't see that we are any worse off than a large number of other clubs who are struggling to find any decent consistent performances. The only thing is that fans of most other clubs are not yet calling for their manager's head and haven't been from before he was appointed. (City fans are but then they have delusions of grandeur now they've got dosh)

They had delusions well before that!

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So far our record is OK.

Only two defeats from away from home after six games is as good as to be expected.

One win at home doesn't sound too good but let's look at who we have played. Three of the top four and Hull, who have an away record only bettered by Chelsea.

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So far our record is OK.

Only two defeats from away from home after six games is as good as to be expected.

One win at home doesn't sound too good but let's look at who we have played. Three of the top four and Hull, who have an away record only bettered by Chelsea.

That looks ok. the only thing that really bothers me is I can't see where the goals are going to come from at the moment. But then I seem to remember saying that last year or the year before too when we were going through a lean spell. we need to get two strikers on the pitch and playing as a pair. If the balls sticking up front a bit more then the pressure on the defence will be eased a bit.

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That looks ok. the only thing that really bothers me is I can't see where the goals are going to come from at the moment. But then I seem to remember saying that last year or the year before too when we were going through a lean spell. we need to get two strikers on the pitch and playing as a pair. If the balls sticking up front a bit more then the pressure on the defence will be eased a bit.

Defence-Midfield-Attack, it's all a matter of concern right now.

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Defence-Midfield-Attack, it's all a matter of concern right now.

I didn't say I wasn't concerned about the others. Just that the real concern is the fact that I can't see goals. Get some of those and the rest becomes easier. And yes, i know you need supply to strikers, but we don't have strikers at the moment.

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That looks ok. the only thing that really bothers me is I can't see where the goals are going to come from at the moment. But then I seem to remember saying that last year or the year before too when we were going through a lean spell. we need to get two strikers on the pitch and playing as a pair. If the balls sticking up front a bit more then the pressure on the defence will be eased a bit.

I think that is a good point about the strikers. Santa Cruz can do a job on his own up front but I think we would cause more problems with 2 up front and like you said, it will help the defence.

Hopefully against teams like Sunderland we will play with 2 strikers. My choice would be Benni and RSC and I would give them a run of games so they can form a partnership.

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Great assessment Gillibrand... If, could, might, whatever. People keep saying the table doesn't lie, well if we're so sh*te we should be in the bottom 3 already, but we're not.

It's so repetitive on this board. All the Ince bashers see us as playing terrible and then there's a few other rose tinted supporters who think everything will be OK and Ince can do no wrong.

Am I worried? Yes I am, but basing my opinions on what I've seen for myself and heard from trusted sources would suggest we have enough to get out of it.

The key, of course, is the next few games. So far we've only lost to 1 team who we would consider to be on par with or better than, and that was our annual stuffing at West Ham. If we lose at home to Sunderland then I'll definitely be worried. Problem is with our injury list, suspensions of late and Santa Cruz being out I can see us losing.

But I can't legislate for sacking the manager because our 3 best players are currently injured, we've lost at home to the 3 best teams and we're still not in the bottom 3. We've played 8 of the top ten and only 4 of the bottom 10.

Jury well and truly still out. I'll be back at Christmas with my verdict.

In the meantime, get behind the team for these crunch games coming up.

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In a ideal world he'd be gone on Monday, the minute we appointed him i worried, never liked him as a player to be fair hated him. After his first press conference i feared the worst, i got the feeling he was very nervous and not sure if he could do the job, now every time i hear him speak too the press i wonder what rubbish will come out next. His comments to the press never fill me with confidence and that obviously goes for the players too, just look at what Redknapp has done at totenham in the matter of days It's all about confidence. I know we can't compete with them for money etc (as Ince has pointed out now 627 times) but so many players are under performing it has to be his fault. The only one thing that he's done is get in Robinson and got RSC to sign a new contract, sadly all that means is we may get a few extra million when he leaves. EVERYONE has said we needed a right winger or someone creative and we signed nobody,

Good to see you're not biased at all :P

Isn't that the crux of the problem re. Ince? It's all 'confirmation bias', and to a (admittedly large) section of posters, they'd rather be proved right in their allegations and prejudices than wrong for the benefit of the club they profess to care so much about?

There's too much 'black and white thinking' at play here. BTW, for all the moral guardians & PC brigade, that's ACTUALLY a scientific term used in CBT, and there is no pun intended.

People should be allowed their criticism and support for the manager, we're all (allegedly) grown-ups, but I'd welcome a bit more honesty like the poster above who at least shows why he's happy when he's slating Ince - because he doesn't like him - and it's manna from heaven to be able to cover it up as concern for the club.

I'd also welcome more objective arguments rather than self-serving wish fulfillment to hound Ince out of a job.

I'd also welcome solutions, rather than criticism - amusing how the most vociferous critics are often the quietest when it comes to ideas, positivity, management and leadership.

I'm not pro- or anti-Ince, but I am all for supporting the club, and therefore the manager, until it becomes untenable, or non-sensical to do so. I DO feel all this talk of getting rid is counter-productive and will only add to the problems, and certainly not any guarantee things will get better. I DON"T feel we're at the stage of another 1999, but accept there are concerns.

I can't see where the goals are going to come from, not in the side or the squad. For all the football/performances, it's the results that count. We need to find goals, fast, and TWO strikers.

It worries me that we can fight back in some games and not others, especially the big sides. Yesterday once the second went it looked like they just reverted to 'oh well', as they did against United and Arsenal. This IS NOT unique to Ince - it happened at Chelsea (a) under Hughes when Stead knew he was coming on once we'd let a 3rd (or 4th?) goal without looking at the bench, and it happened at Brum last season once the team knew Villa had scored, thereby seemingly pushing them out of InterToto. It's about character, team spirit and leadership, which was IMO the single biggest reason we were relegated, in that when the chips were down, we flaked - especially against the teams around us.

One of my permanent gripes with Rovers is they often drop to level of their opponents; hence the minnow games are were we struggle. Hughes's forte was raising his game against the big sides. Ince seems to have conveyed to the team, as his press sometimes does, that the big games are write-offs. I personally think is totally wrong; especially unless you can be more confident you'll make up for it in the other games (WE CAN'T).

However, I've a problem - I'm too patient, too level-headed, too long-sighted, too unflappable, too reserved. Perhaps that's why I think a lot of the panic merchants are a touch crackers? I still see plenty positives, as well as several negatives, as well as no need to press the ejector seat just yet.

Does the strength of the negatives outweigh the positives though? My biggest concern of the negatives is the groundswell of our own doing, that has nothing to do with the on-pitch stuff. If we're not careful, we'll make the situation far worse than some of the doom-mongers seem to want to wish on Mr Ince.

can anyone confirm or deny what was "alleged " on radio rovers.A lady rang in and said mr ince has sacked the kids from coming out with the players before the game because its their fault we keep losing.

I will make a prediction if we go a goal down v sunderland the natives WILL be restless.Cant believe people arnt concerned we are 1 point off the bottom 3.........WE ARE IN A FIGHT PEOPLE WAKY WAKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cuckoo?

Would we be in this position if we had signed Allardyce then? .

I actually think we would be in exactly the same situation TBH.

There'd be a massive amount of naysayers picking on any conceivable aspect to manifest their negativity, criticism and prejudice against someone they don't like rather than on the job he does.

Oh, and the football would be worse too, with no guarantee of anything better in the results department.

And we'd have no money left.

PS. We'd probably have the filth round checking the accounts too.

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Why do you base it on hes played under some great managers so he must know what hes doing, if his thought process isnt that good and his ability to understand recruit and implement effectively how can you compare.

Ince is unqualified and looks to be appointing nearly everybody to coach various aspects of the team so I see a wild asumption made there majiball. Also Inces appointment of Winterburn and possibly Cole also novices, raises questions again.

If I thought the team was strong enough to stand alone I wouldnt have a problem with appointing novice coaches but it isnt.

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One thing that annoys me about the pro-Incies is their hypocrisy. If we compare Ince's work with Mark Hughes', they'll tell us that Hughes has gone and we have to move on. But if Ince loses against a certain team or makes a dodgy transfer, they'll quickly bring up some of Hughes' lesser moments. Make your minds up, people!

I agree with your sentiments, although that argument works in reverse too for the pitchforkers too.

Personally, I'd rather see more objective, sensible, reasoned debate rather than the partisan element, however, all football fans have some degree of hypocrisy in their locker.

Look at the Bentley situation, half those slagging him worshipped him when he was here, and probably would if he returned. Too much revisionism goes in football; we're all guilty to some degree. Folk hated some of our recent managers before they came here, then temporarily forgot that - until they left.

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The injuries worry me more than anything else. I mentioned earlier on that we do seem to be picking up far too many injuries. We had a similar issue under Souness and I wonder if it's down to poor preparation and poor after match treatment. I seem to remember Hughes' bringing in the Ice baths, wonder if they're still being used.

We need to get to the bottom of the injury thing. I don't think its just a question of being unlucky. are the players as fit as they were under Hughes, that's the question.

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