[Archived] Paul's Progress

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

The supporters who've stopped going seem to be the ones who have made their decision and dont see Rovers at home as an attractive proposition at least for now.

And I do believe we are talking about thousands of them.

[BuckyRover]

Why should I do you a favour?

It is increasingly looking like Ince is completely and utterly out of his depth managing at Rovers, a club which he has no respect for, and we need to get rid sooner rather than later.

He will only have a few games to save his neck.

You are a being deliberately inflammatory, when we do turn it around we won't let you forget this constant sniping. If you can't support in the "dark" (I personally don't think we are doing too badly) times then you don't deserve to enjoy the good times.

He has more than "a few" games to "save his neck". He will be in charge for as long as we continue to play well (e.g. Villa away). When we start losing badly, that is when his job is on the line. He could be the saviour of our club, if he continues to develop the youth team and young players see us as an entry to the Premier league, we could do very well financially. For a long time we have needed a manager to make use of our youth facilities, it seems (from afar) that Ince is indeed doing just that .

[joey_big_nose]

For me the next three games are crucial to Ince. Quite difficult in their own way - Sunderland are much stronger these days and Spurs are positively resurgent - but we have to get two wins or or one win and two draws otherwise I think Ince will start to seriously lose the fans.

The main issue does seem to be injuries, but it looks like Ince is contributing to his own downfall here. He has rushed players back who did not need to be rushed.

[leftfooter]

So here I am, on holiday, not posted for a few days, have a quick check of the messageboard, and i'm still managing to get a namecheck.

When was the last time you posted anything of substance Stu? All I can recall recently have been curt one liners in my general direction - not quoting me or even bothering to address something I've said. Just sneaky, underhanded jibes.

I tell you what - next time I say something you disagree with, see if you can manage to quote it and reply with something substancial and worthy of debate. It's what this place exists for. If only you were capable.

If you've got a problem, come out with it, instead of skulking around hiding behind your 'wit'.

Your inflated self regard is quite astounding.

Your tendency to boast about your earnings, to over-focus on Ince and your fixation with the refresh button, ironically reminds me of that other self deluded serial poster, Buckyrover. Maybe you should both form a self-help group?

At least Philip offers considered criticism, which is more than either you or your bucky 'alter-ego' rover can ever muster.

Why should anyone bother to quote you? You spent the entire summer drumming up support for your insidious anti-Ince agenda. Don't think it will be easily forgotten.

When you finally realised that was drawing the ire of too many other members, you simply reverted to the usual snide sectarianism that accompanies most of your other posts.

Of course your sheer persistence will always ensure you have the last word to any critical post, as your abusive PM testifes. If you are the success that you claim you are (just like buckrover), then Woody Allen's maxim really holds true: "80 percent of success is just showing up".

No wonder fewer and fewer fans bother with this MB any more.

[BuckyRover]

Criticism?

Calling MOTM Pedersen useless is not a valid criticism. It is mystifying.

You have only been here a few months. I only feel the need to respond in this way because I am constantly trying to deflect "Ince is ***" propaganda.

Who do you think you are to talk about my private life?

You don't know anything about me.

I don't feel the need to walk around the office arguing with people because nobody here is constantly barracking me about him. Most "neutrals" think he is a work in progress and expect him to be be managing in the Premier league for many years to come.

[cn_barlow]

You are a being deliberately inflammatory, when we do turn it around we won't let you forget this constant sniping. If you can't support in the "dark" (I personally don't think we are doing too badly) times then you don't deserve to enjoy the good times.

He has more than "a few" games to "save his neck". He will be in charge for as long as we continue to play well (e.g. Villa away). When we start losing badly, that is when his job is on the line. He could be the saviour of our club, if he continues to develop the youth team and young players see us as an entry to the Premier league, we could do very well financially. For a long time we have needed a manager to make use of our youth facilities, it seems (from afar) that Ince is indeed doing just that .

So if we continue in this vein of form ie losing yet playing 'attractive stuff' you dont think he'll go? i beg to differ...too much at risk. if (when) we go out of this league, the its for good. Jw knows it, i know it, and you know it.

It wouldnt be so bad if he had a different attitude in front of the camera. i dont want someone who is going to roll over for the big boys in charge of my football club.

[T4E]

Your inflated self regard is quite astounding.

Your tendency to boast about your earnings, to over-focus on Ince and your fixation with the refresh button, ironically reminds me of that other self deluded serial poster, Buckyrover. Maybe you should both form a self-help group?

At least Philip offers considered criticism, which is more than either you or your bucky 'alter-ego' rover can ever muster.

Why should anyone bother to quote you? You spent the entire summer drumming up support for your insidious anti-Ince agenda. Don't think it will be easily forgotten.

When you finally realised that was drawing the ire of too many other members, you simply reverted to the usual snide sectarianism that accompanies most of your other posts.

Of course your sheer persistence will always ensure you have the last word to any critical post, as your abusive PM testifes. If you are the success that you claim you are (just like buckrover), then Woody Allen's maxim really holds true: "80 percent of success is just showing up".

No wonder fewer and fewer fans bother with this MB any more.

....he says, quoting me

You brought up salaries pal - I just set you straight. It's actually none of your business - but if you're going to make presumptions about people, you have to expect them to blow up in your face. Judging from your comments towards BuckyRover, you haven't learnt your lesson.

As far as valid football criticism goes - I've seen you make two posts on this thread in the last week, both about me, neither about Paul Ince or BRFC. I'm more than happy to debate football points of view with you or anyone else - just find the post you object to and reply. It's pretty easy - although your constant personal attacks suggest you might not deem yourself capable.

[gumboots]

Well at least while you're squabbling between yourselves you are not having a go at Ince

[mark]

....he says, quoting me

You brought up salaries pal - I just set you straight. It's actually none of your business - but if you're going to make presumptions about people, you have to expect them to blow up in your face. Judging from your comments towards BuckyRover, you haven't learnt your lesson.

As far as valid football criticism goes - I've seen you make two posts on this thread in the last week, both about me, neither about Paul Ince or BRFC. I'm more than happy to debate football points of view with you or anyone else - just find the post you object to and reply. It's pretty easy - although your constant personal attacks suggest you might not deem yourself capable.

poor comeback T4E, round one left footer.

as a reader rather than a poster you get a good idea of who the tossers are one this board, and they are beggining to really # me off. why are so many rovers fans tossers?? there, i've said it.

get behind your team FFS!

[imy9]

Why should I do you a favour?

It is increasingly looking like Ince is completely and utterly out of his depth managing at Rovers, a club which he has no respect for, and we need to get rid sooner rather than later.

He will only have a few games to save his neck.

Why do you say that PI has no respect for this club?

Are the other 10 clubs around Rovers managed by people who are similarly "out of their depth"

Zola out of his depth, Bruce, Hughes (my favourite) Keane? Similar positions to us but two wins later and we will be comfortable top 10.

[mark]

Why do you say that PI has no respect for this club?

Are the other 10 clubs around Rovers managed by people who are similarly "out of their depth"

Zola out of his depth, Bruce, Hughes (my favourite) Keane? Similar positions to us but two wins later and we will be comfortable top 10.

behave yourself imy9, you're talking sense!!

[RevidgeBlue]

Why do you say that PI has no respect for this club?

Are the other 10 clubs around Rovers managed by people who are similarly "out of their depth"

Zola out of his depth, Bruce, Hughes (my favourite) Keane? Similar positions to us but two wins later and we will be comfortable top 10.

Zola probably isn't the best example to cite in support of your argument but generally I agree with you.

There's no room for complacency though. Two League wins and we will be in a comfortable position. However it's no good merely talking about it, we have to get them.

[Presty On Tour]

I think what Philip is saying that Paul Ince is very inexperienced at managering a top flight club.

Yes he done well in his brief spell in the lower leagues but the premiership is a massive leap for someone who hasn't even completed their coaching badges and who has been a manager for just over one season.

Ince may have played at the top for clubs and country but management is another kettle of fish. I think maybe this job has come to soon for him unfortunately.

Ince is very poor and vulnerable in front of the media. It's seems as though he's having a laugh at our expense though that's probably not the case. From the nerves to the you knows? It's not a very good image.

Results and performances have been on a steep slide for sometime, rumours of player unrest, signing players who are clearly not good enough and training methods not up to standard, you know i think Ince will be finished sooner rather than later.

[CrazyIvan]

It's got to the point now where one boring negative poster sticks up some more diatribe about something negative in the club or about Ince and about 5 follow them. I'm totally and utterly bored of the whole deal. None of you can come up with anything original and put the same old rubbish up, rumours, conjecture, things that have been clearly disproven but still put forward as gospel, ie training methods and player unrest. I wish you'd go and set your own board up for the express purpose of being utterly negative. Call it 'grumpy football fans' because some of the comments you lot come out prove that the only thing you are fans of are your own opinions. Don't let the facts get in the way though.

Paul Ince is a manager who is still learning his trade. You may want the finished article but we have who we have. Support the club, support the team and the players, support Ince. He needs it and so does this team. We're not in the bottom three. Yes I am concerned that we have only scored 3 goals at home. I am concerned that we haven't really given a 90 minute performance against a top team. I am concerned that the injury list is growing. I am concerned that we are a few points above the drop zone but so are a lot of teams. You can't expect a new manager, inexperienced as he is, to get everything right overnight. It takes time. It took Hughes time too. Be patient instead of like the current 'I want it now' society we live in.

[imy9]

I think what Philip is saying that Paul Ince is very inexperienced at managering a top flight club.

Yes he done well in his brief spell in the lower leagues but the premiership is a massive leap for someone who hasn't even completed their coaching badges and who has been a manager for just over one season.

Ince may have played at the top for clubs and country but management is another kettle of fish. I think maybe this job has come to soon for him unfortunately.

Ince is very poor and vulnerable in front of the media. It's seems as though he's having a laugh at our expense though that's probably not the case. From the nerves to the you knows? It's not a very good image.

Results and performances have been on a steep slide for sometime, rumours of player unrest, signing players who are clearly not good enough and training methods not up to standard, you know i think Ince will be finished sooner rather than later.

Zola is an unexperienced manager, who does not have all of his badges yet (as far as I am aware PI and Zola are level on qualifications now) and has managed two clubs-successfully.

PI has improved in front of the cameras, you only need to view his interviews on Rovers World to see the improvements.

"Rumours of unrest"- condemned by the players, including the manager, captain and vice captain.

"Training methods not up to standard" again I quote Dunn "We love training"

Ince finished? I am going to stick my neck out and say that PI will be successful at Rovers and we'll be in the top 10 by the end of the season.

[Amo]

at least the sun is shining down here, it's warm.

If I were to listen to the doomsayers on here, I'd be slashing my wrists.

Bloody panic merchants.

Did you say that in 98/99, perchance?

Memories are short.

[gumboots]

Memories are not short but doom and gloom helps no-one. There are problems at Rovers. some are down to Ince. Some are down to lack of investment over the last 7 or 8 years. some are down to Hughes taking everything possible with him when he left and possibly to his itchy feet for several months before he went. Some are down to players not performing. Some are down to fans not supporting and indeed getting on the backs of our players. Some are down to fans simply not turning up. Some are avoidable, but nobody can legislate for McCarthy deciding to handle a ball he had no need to touch or for a ref who decides that a penalty is the only thing he's giving us in an entire match. There is not one cause for our current situation - there are dozens. But it does no good to moan because it changes nothing. What does stand a chance of changing some of the things is for us to do our bit and support. It won't make Ince a better manager but it might help him to feel a bit less pressured and therefore make better decisions. It might allow our players to play with a bit more freedom, knowing their every mistake will not result in a chorus of boos.

All is not rosy in the Rovers garden but there is also no definite sign that we cannot turn things round.

[RevidgeBlue]

Memories are not short but doom and gloom helps no-one. There are problems at Rovers. some are down to Ince. Some are down to lack of investment over the last 7 or 8 years. some are down to Hughes taking everything possible with him when he left and possibly to his itchy feet for several months before he went. Some are down to players not performing. Some are down to fans not supporting and indeed getting on the backs of our players. Some are down to fans simply not turning up. Some are avoidable, but nobody can legislate for McCarthy deciding to handle a ball he had no need to touch or for a ref who decides that a penalty is the only thing he's giving us in an entire match. There is not one cause for our current situation - there are dozens. But it does no good to moan because it changes nothing. What does stand a chance of changing some of the things is for us to do our bit and support. It won't make Ince a better manager but it might help him to feel a bit less pressured and therefore make better decisions. It might allow our players to play with a bit more freedom, knowing their every mistake will not result in a chorus of boos.

All is not rosy in the Rovers garden but there is also no definite sign that we cannot turn things round.

Great post.

[Amo]

People will say I'm a negative @#/?, but it works both ways. I wanted Laudrup in, but when he was out of the running I welcomed Ince's appointment (although largely because our other options were McClaren and Allardyce). I was unsure about his qualifications, but I was hoping he'd be astute enough to steady the ship. But his efforts to sell the Blackburn product have been largely disappointing. Unconvincing signings (bar Robinson), and poor interviews have hardly helped inspire the fans for the new season. As a club who has suffered Premiership relegation, it's only natural for us to go on alert as performances slip and a manager looks out of his depth.

Yes the league is very open, but our current form doesn't give cause for optimism.

[thenodrog]

Clearly this observation was far too factual to actually respond to ... ...

Sorry Tris, if it's relevant I'd gone to the pub quiz.

But the crowd figure rather perplexes me. I hadn't seen the official attendance figure but from my view of the ground (in the JW centre) it looked (and sounded) a damned site less to me. Still I'll have to hold my hand up to you cos what cannot speak cannot lie I suppose.

[SouthAussieRover]

Your inflated self regard is quite astounding.

Your tendency to boast about your earnings, to over-focus on Ince and your fixation with the refresh button, ironically reminds me of that other self deluded serial poster, Buckyrover. Maybe you should both form a self-help group?

At least Philip offers considered criticism, which is more than either you or your bucky 'alter-ego' rover can ever muster.

Why should anyone bother to quote you? You spent the entire summer drumming up support for your insidious anti-Ince agenda. Don't think it will be easily forgotten.

When you finally realised that was drawing the ire of too many other members, you simply reverted to the usual snide sectarianism that accompanies most of your other posts.

Of course your sheer persistence will always ensure you have the last word to any critical post, as your abusive PM testifes. If you are the success that you claim you are (just like buckrover), then Woody Allen's maxim really holds true: "80 percent of success is just showing up".

No wonder fewer and fewer fans bother with this MB any more.

Marvellous!

Eloquently sums up the problem with this MB at the moment. Too many people always wanting to drum home their viewpoint and have the last word.

Ince's blue and white army!!!

[stuwilky]

Eloquently sums up the problem with this MB at the moment.

Funnily enough Ive just been having that discussion with someone else. Is this message board really a baramoter of Rovers support, or simply a "shouting contest"?

Anyway, as a seeming minority these days - COME ON THE ROVERS.

[Tris]

Funnily enough Ive just been having that discussion with someone else. Is this message board really a baramoter of Rovers support, or simply a "shouting contest"?

Anyway, as a seeming minority these days - COME ON THE ROVERS.

It never has been a barometer of Rovers support. 16,000 ST holders are not represented by 3 dozen people who have embraced the soap box offered by the internet and can shout more loudly and more often than the other 3 dozen who may disagree with them but can't be arsed to get embroiled in the mess. Neither 3 dozen would be representative.

This MB used to provide a useful "window on the fans world" to an interested and influential audience. Sadly, those days are gone.

[stuwilky]

It never has been a barometer of Rovers support. 16,000 ST holders are not represented by 3 dozen people who have embraced the soap box offered by the internet and can shout more loudly and more often than the other 3 dozen who may disagree with them but can't be arsed to get embroiled in the mess. Neither 3 dozen would be representative.

This MB used to provide a useful "window on the fans world" to an interested and influential audience. Sadly, those days are gone.

Perhaps the latter statement is what I was alluding to, either way, its just become depressing to read these days.

[dave birch]

The last four posts sum up my feelings too.