[Archived] Paul's Progress

[1864roverite]

Imy take a look at what you have responded with and realise its total tosh in some of the responses.

We have the squad capable of playing of 4-4-2 even with the injuries.

We have a midfield selection of Peter, Grella, Tugay, Reid, Dunn, Pederson, carlos, Emerton, Warnock, Andrews, Gallagher, Mokoena,Treacy and Vogel. Even taking out the injured we still have a more than capable of midfielders available.

We have 4 goalscorers in RSC, Roberts, SMD and Benni no to mention Fowler. All can be supplemented by the likes of Pederson who can play as a forward, Carlos and Gally.

We most definately have the personel to rid ourselves of 4-5-1 and to play competetive football, football that would beat most teams in our league and football that would give the big 4 a game

Matthias has won what exactly trophy wise ?

If you think 6 goals in 2 seasons is reason enough to sign Fowler fair enough. Ask any City or Leeds fan if he was a worthwhile signing.

Comparing Bellamy to Andrews is a no brainer. Bellamy was and is an established International goalscorer whereas Andrews is a failed unknown quantity. You dont see clubs like Newcastle, wham and Liverpool clambering over £6m to buy Andrews !

As for the SMD debate. It is evidenced that if you play him up front he scores goals just like he did versus Fulham.

Thats my view pal, from my blue tinted glasses in my seat in the Upper JW.

Rovers have options, options that are being ignored by the management or simply not being explored by the managment. Take it any way you want.

Finally, if you knew your Rovers v manure history through the 90's you will know just what Paul Ince said about Rovers, in particular, in the build up to the Xmas period of 1994, the build up to the Charity Shield and to the game where the then mank scumbag scored an injury time equaliser when the ref cheated Rovers out of 3 points at mould triffid by giving them a corner instead of us a goal kick. There is history, bad history because of his then forthright views. it is a good job at Rovers and anyone is lucky to have it because we know its well paid and they have the facilities that most Premiership clubs simply dont have nor will ever have.

[philipl]

Very fair reply 1864.

I haven't brought up the frequent and unpleasant jibes Ince made against Rovers when he was at Manure as I took it as all part and parcel of the war at the time between the Mancs and their biggest rivals- the Rovers.

However, the comments he made about Rovers when he was leaving Inter were completely unforgetable and unforgiveable.

Jack Walker was still alive and spending serious money (over £40m net in transfer fees). Rovers were about to bid £6m for Ince who went on a Channel 4 to completely slag off the club and the town of Blackburn. That wasn't heat of the moment but a completely pre-meditated denigration of Jack Walker and Blackburn Rovers and a deliberate move to kill Rovers' interest in him in which he succeded.

There has been plenty of evidence that Ince still thinks that way about us:

- talking about relegation at his first press conference

- talking about managing England within a week of being appointed here

- the first interview he gave after his name was seriously linked with Newcastle.

I don't think the guy's heart and emotions are in doing the Rovers job well to be honest.

[gumboots]

Very fair reply 1864.

I haven't brought up the frequent and unpleasant jibes Ince made against Rovers when he was at Manure as I took it as all part and parcel of the war at the time between the Mancs and their biggest rivals- the Rovers.

However, the comments he made about Rovers when he was leaving Inter were completely unforgetable and unforgiveable.

Jack Walker was still alive and spending serious money (over £40m net in transfer fees). Rovers were about to bid £6m for Ince who went on a Channel 4 to completely slag off the club and the town of Blackburn. That wasn't heat of the moment but a completely pre-meditated denigration of Jack Walker and Blackburn Rovers and a deliberate move to kill Rovers' interest in him in which he succeded.

There has been plenty of evidence that Ince still thinks that way about us:

- talking about relegation at his first press conference

- talking about managing England within a week of being appointed here

- the first interview he gave after his name was seriously linked with Newcastle.

I don't think the guy's heart and emotions are in doing the Rovers job well to be honest.

so how's he going to get another high level job if he doesn't try to do ours well. The talk about relegation was a joke - my daughter was there and said the press conference was very exciting, and before you say she would wouldn't she, she's been to Scolari's, Sven's ,Hughes's, and several other lower profile managers' so she does know what goes on.

Young men say things they wouldn't on reflection say when they were older. Why does nobody seem to realise that and still hold things Ince said, however calculated, against him several years later. I've said loads of things - some deliberate, some not- that I wish now I hadn't. Some said deliberately to upset and hurt people and with hindsight and the wisdom of impending old age I wish I hadn't. Most people who know me have got over it, because they know I've changed over the years. You seem unwilling to give Ince the benefit of any doubt.

[imy9]

Very fair reply 1864.

I haven't brought up the frequent and unpleasant jibes Ince made against Rovers when he was at Manure as I took it as all part and parcel of the war at the time between the Mancs and their biggest rivals- the Rovers.

However, the comments he made about Rovers when he was leaving Inter were completely unforgetable and unforgiveable.

THAT IS THE ISSUE, HE IS THE MANAGER OF ROVERS AND THIS PREJUDICE THAT YOU HAVE FOR HIM MEANS THAT MOST OF WHAT YOU SAY HAS THIS IN MIND- HOW DOES THIS SHOW THAT YOU ARE GIVING HIM A CHANCE?

Jack Walker was still alive and spending serious money (over £40m net in transfer fees). Rovers were about to bid £6m for Ince who went on a Channel 4 to completely slag off the club and the town of Blackburn. That wasn't heat of the moment but a completely pre-meditated denigration of Jack Walker and Blackburn Rovers and a deliberate move to kill Rovers' interest in him in which he succeded.

WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH PI BEING THE ROVERS "MANAGER" EMPHASIS ON MANAGER- HE HAS SAID ALREADY THAT HE IS DIFFERENT AS A MANAGER FROM WHEN HE WAS A PLAYER.

There has been plenty of evidence that Ince still thinks that way about us:

- talking about relegation at his first press conference

IT WAS SAID IN JEST/HUMOUR- CHECK WHAT THE WORD MEANS, THEN VIEW THE PRESS CONFERENCE, IF YOU THINK ANY DIFFERENT THEN YOU NEED YOUR HEAD EXAMINED.

- talking about managing England within a week of being appointed here

ITS CALLED BEING AMBITIOUS, HUGHES TALKED ABOUT MANAGIN MAN UTD ONE DAY AS WELL AS HIS OTHER CLUBS, WHETHER THAT IS WITHIN A DAY OR WITHIN 2 YEARS OF BEING AT ROVERS DOES NOT MATTER, EMPHASIS WAS THAT HE WANTED TO BE THE MANAGER OF ENGLAND ONE DAY- DOES THAT NOT MEAN HE IS PATRIOTIC?

- the first interview he gave after his name was seriously linked with Newcastle.

WHAT DID HE SAY EXACTLY? HE REFUSED TO COMMENT ON THE JOB, WHEN PEOPLE WERE READING INTO IT, HE CAME OUT AND SAID WHAT A BRILLIANT OPPORTUNITY ROVERS HAD GIVEN HIM AND WOULD NOT LEAVE- IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT?

I don't think the guy's heart and emotions are in doing the Rovers job well to be honest.

100% RIGHT, HE WANTS TO FAIL BADLY SO THAT HE GO BACK TO MANAGING A LEAGUE 2 TEAM! DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY SAYING?

DO SUM UP YOUR JUDGEMENT ABOUT THE TEAM IS BASED ON WHAT PI FELT AND THOUGHT ABOUT ROVERS 15 YEARS AGO AND NOTHING HE CAN DO CAN CHANGE YOUR MIND- IF HE SUCCEEDS YOU WILL BE THE FIRST TO SAY WITH GRITTED TEETH THAT WE ARE PLAYING POOR FOOTBALL/WE SHOULD BE IN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE WITH THE SQUAD, ETC ETC ETC

[philipl]

The situation is very simple.

Ince is our manager and I want him to succeed as our Manager and achieve things for Rovers.

He has all the resources to do that.

He is failing to do so and there is plenty that points to him not being capable of getting the results the club deserves. At the moment we are definitely going down a level from top half to bottom half and that will immediately impact on the calibre of player we are able to attract to Ewood.

So he had better turn it around very quickly or get out of the way.

The interview he gave 11 years ago showed real hatred and disdain for Blackburn Rovers at a time we had the resources to get back to the top of English football (and by that I mean winning the Premier League again). It was a visceral irrational hatred of the sort that is hard-wired in the same way I feel about Man U.

If I were asked to manage Man U, would I say YES? Of course I would. Would I feel gutted to the core of my being if I failed in the job? NO WAY JOSE!!

[imy9]

Imy take a look at what you have responded with and realise its total tosh in some of the responses.

WHICH BITS?

We have the squad capable of playing of 4-4-2 even with the injuries.

We have a midfield selection of Peter, Grella, Tugay, Reid, Dunn, Pederson, carlos, Emerton, Warnock, Andrews, Gallagher, Mokoena,Treacy and Vogel. Even taking out the injured we still have a more than capable of midfielders available.

MOST OF THE ABOVE ARE INJURED, GETTING USED TO THE COUNTRY, NEVER PLAYED 2 GAMES IN A ROW FOR ROVERS OR NOT EVEN AT THE CLUB AS WE SPEAK (GALLAGHER)

We have 4 goalscorers in RSC, Roberts, SMD and Benni no to mention Fowler. All can be supplemented by the likes of Pederson who can play as a forward, Carlos and Gally.

RSC AND BENNI ARE OUR BIGGEST GOAL THREATS, YES? REMIND ME AGAIN HOW MANY GOALS HAS ROBERTS SCORED FOR US? FOWLER HAS BEEN OUT FOR HOW LONG?

We most definately have the personel to rid ourselves of 4-5-1 and to play competetive football, football that would beat most teams in our league and football that would give the big 4 a game

ARE YOU ON DRUGS? BEAT MOST TEAMS? YOU ARE DELLUSIONAL...

Matthias has won what exactly trophy wise ?

MORE THAN HUGHES MATE, TWO TROPHIES LAST YEAR IF MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT, KNOX HAS WON HOW MANY AGAIN?

If you think 6 goals in 2 seasons is reason enough to sign Fowler fair enough. Ask any City or Leeds fan if he was a worthwhile signing.

IS FOWLERS ABILITY IN ANY DOUBT? YOU ARE GETTING THE PERSON CONFUSED WITH WHAT HE IS CAPABLE OF AS A STRIKER.

Comparing Bellamy to Andrews is a no brainer. Bellamy was and is an established International goalscorer whereas Andrews is a failed unknown quantity. You dont see clubs like Newcastle, wham and Liverpool clambering over £6m to buy Andrews !

INTERNATIONAL GOAL SCORER WHO DOES NOT SCORE GOALS, A STRIKER AT CLUB LEVEL WHO HAD NEVER SCORED MORE THAN 9 GOALS IN A SEASON, SO I ASK AGAIN WHY DOES ANDREWS NOT GET A CHANCE? BECAUSE HE PLAYED FOR A LEAGUE 2 SIDE, HAS HE NOT SHOWN ALREADY THAT HE COULD BE A DECENT PL PLAYER?

Thats my view pal, from my blue tinted glasses in my seat in the Upper JW.

I AM NOT DISPUTING THAT, IN FACT IF YOU READ WHAT I SAID I AGREED WITH A NUMBER OF YOUR POINTS.

Rovers have options, options that are being ignored by the management or simply not being explored by the managment. Take it any way you want.

THEY ARE EXPERIMENTING, I CAN GUARRANTEE THAT PLAYERS WILL LEAVE IN JANUARY BECAUSE PI WILL DEEM THEM NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR WHAT HE WANTS TO DO, THAT IS LIFE, VOGEL AND CO WILL HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT.

Finally, if you knew your Rovers v manure history through the 90's you will know just what Paul Ince said about Rovers, in particular, in the build up to the Xmas period of 1994, the build up to the Charity Shield and to the game where the then mank scumbag scored an injury time equaliser when the ref cheated Rovers out of 3 points at mould triffid by giving them a corner instead of us a goal kick. There is history, bad history because of his then forthright views. it is a good job at Rovers and anyone is lucky to have it because we know its well paid and they have the facilities that most Premiership clubs simply dont have nor will ever have.

HISTORY IS EXACTLY THAT- HISTORY, MAYBE WE SHOULD PI ON WHAT HE DOES AT ROVERS RATHER THAN WHAT HE DID AS A PLAYER, BECAUSE HE IS NOT GETTING A FAIR CHANCE.

[philipl]

FACT ONE

I am looking forwards to a Rovers victory tonight

FACT TWO

If we Rovers don't win, we are another game closer to Ince getting the sack

[imy9]

The situation is very simple.

Ince is our manager and I want him to succeed as our Manager and achieve things for Rovers.

TOSH- READ WHAT YOU HAVE SAID ALREADY, YOU ARE CONTRADICTING WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

He has all the resources to do that.

YES HE DOES SO JUDGE HIM WHEN HE SPENDS THE DOUGH!

He is failing to do so and there is plenty that points to him not being capable of getting the results the club deserves. At the moment we are definitely going down a level from top half to bottom half and that will immediately impact on the calibre of player we are able to attract to Ewood.

AFTER 13 GAMES AND 5 LOSSES, DO YOU NOT HAVE ANY SYMPATHY WHEN WE HAVE THE BIGGEST INJURY CRISIS IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE?

So he had better turn it around very quickly or get out of the way.

THATS GIVING THE BLOKE A CHANCE PHILLIP, I RETRACT MY EARLIER STATEMENT.

The interview he gave 11 years ago showed real hatred and disdain for Blackburn Rovers at a time we had the resources to get back to the top of English football (and by that I mean winning the Premier League again). It was a visceral irrational hatred of the sort that is hard-wired in the same way I feel about Man U.

DO PEOPLE CHANGE? DO YOU KNOW PI PERSONALLY? THOUGHT NOT, SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS GUESS WORK- AGAIN.

If I were asked to manage Man U, would I say YES? Of course I would. Would I feel gutted to the core of my being if I failed in the job? NO WAY JOSE!!

GUTTED TO THE CORE OF MY BEING? HE WANTS TO SUCCEED, HE HAS SUCCEEDED EVERYWHERE HE HAS BEEN, HE IS A WINNER AND HAS A DISDAIN FOR LOSING, THAT IS FACT.

[philipl]

imy9, you are no longer even humorous.

And I will not have my support for Blackburn Rovers impugned thank you very much.

The rest of your posts are the work of an out-of-touch fantasist as well.

[imy9]

imy9, you are no longer even humorous.

And I will not have my support for Blackburn Rovers impugned thank you very much.

The rest of your posts are the work of an out-of-touch fantasist as well.

Brilliant response, I was not trying to be funny, I think you will find that I tried to answer every point that you made.

"fantasist" hey? Why not try to dispute what I am saying, could it be that you simply cant?

Whatever I am mate, I am consistent, you keep changing your tune every 5 minutes.

I am not disputing you support Rovers but the fact is that most of what I have read is jibberish and innuendo, look Ill try it now "My mate is best mates with Dunn's girlfriends cousins mate and she tells me that all is not well within the Rovers camp, but I cannot tell you what as I am a loyal Rover" now that is humourous

[mark]

FACT ONE

I am looking forwards to a Rovers victory tonight

FACT TWO

If we Rovers don't win, we are another game closer to Ince getting the sack

philipl, I expect tripe from certain posters but you are usually capable of posting some sense. You have lost the plot of late. Tonights result is NOT too big a deal. Of course a cup run would be great but it is not a priority. A home victory on Saturday IS a big deal. And if we achieve that we could be top half with an eye on Europe.

Will everybody stop overreacting?!!!

FACT ONE

Give or take a few points we are in the same boat as 13 other premiership teams - no need to panic.

FACT TWO

It's not even Christmas - no need to panic

FACT THREE

We're in transition and things will take time - no need to panic

FACT FOUR

Try as you might to deny it there are some positive signs!

I could go on so get a grip, please.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

philipl, I expct trip from certain posters but you are usually capable of posting some sense. You have lost the plot of late. Tonights result is NOT too big a deal. Of course a cup run would be great but is not a priority. A home victory on Saturday IS a big deal. And if we achieve that we could be top half with an eye on Europe.

Will everybody stop overreacting?!!!

FACT ONE

Give or take a few point we are in the same boat as 13 other premiership teams - no need to panic.

FACT TWO

It's not even Christmas - no need to panic

FACT THRE

We're in transition and things will take time - no need to panic

FACT FOUR

Try as you might to deny it there are some positive signs!

I could go on so get a grip, please.

So what are you trying to say?

[gumboots]

So what are you trying to say?

I may be reading this wrong but ..........don't panic?

[almuncle]

On the subject of Vogel, he gave an interview to the swiss press which was reported today. In it he says that he can't understand why he's not getting matches and that although it has been made clear to him that he is not wanted by both Williams and Ince, he loves it over in u.k and he is not going to move his family.He reckons he is going to fight for his place and stay until his contract runs out in 2011.

He has a reputation for using lawyers to fight his case so Ince be warned.

[cn_barlow]

On the subject of Vogel, he gave an interview to the swiss press which was reported today. In it he says that he can't understand why he's not getting matches and that although it has been made clear to him that he is not wanted by both Williams and Ince, he loves it over in u.k and he is not going to move his family.He reckons he is going to fight for his place and stay until his contract runs out in 2011.

He has a reputation for using lawyers to fight his case so Ince be warned.

i cant understand why he isnt being used either....

[1864roverite]

Imy

I am not going to get into a philesque type argument with you.

Who sent Gally on loan ?

How many goals has he scored for Plymouth whilst out ?

Rovers have the opportunities, facilities and the experience to get players "homed" quickly, so please, Carlos aside, I would expect each player to get stuck in for their £20k a week wages.

Rovers had an established workmanlike team with work ethic, aside of the top 4 we are more or were capable of beating every team below 5th spot, we almost certainly had the credentials to worry the top 4 clubs even Chelsea and manure.

Matthias won the paint trophy and Div 2 title ! Please dont humour me on that one. If Hughes was lower down , with his experience alone he would walk the leagues 2 and 1.

knox won his trophies with who ? Fergie (manure), Smith and Souness (Rangers), two biggest clubs in their respective countries and millionaires beyond belief.

If you think Andrews has proved himself a PL player, then please answer me this. Which players in the current premiership, midfield wise, is he on a par with ? It is my opinion that he isnt anywhere near the likes of the worst and by that I mean, Bullard, Murphy (fulham), Cottermole and Koumas (wigon), who I may add are streets ahead in skill or nouse.

Experimenting ? Does any team have time to experiment when failure results in relegation and loss of a financial lifeline ? Imagine this, Rovers stuck on 13 points on New Years Day, are we going to attrat the type of player we need to progress ? NO we are not. Are we going to survive ? NO we are not. WILL WE EVER GET BACK UP ? no WE WONT.

SO, MY FRIEND, EXPERIMENTING IS OUT PERIOD.

I accept in full that PI should be given time, he is the manager after all. I have reiterated that I simply dont agree with his current decision making process.

[tony gale's mic]

On the subject of Vogel, he gave an interview to the swiss press which was reported today. In it he says that he can't understand why he's not getting matches and that although it has been made clear to him that he is not wanted by both Williams and Ince, he loves it over in u.k and he is not going to move his family.He reckons he is going to fight for his place and stay until his contract runs out in 2011.

He has a reputation for using lawyers to fight his case so Ince be warned.

I'd sooner have Vogel over Grella any day of the week...

[imy9]

Imy

I am not going to get into a philesque type argument with you.

Who sent Gally on loan ?

PI, WHO SENT HIM OUT ON LOAN LAST YEAR? HUGHES, THE YEAR BEFORE, HUGHES? YEAR BEFORE? HUGHES- SEE THE PATTERN.

How many goals has he scored for Plymouth whilst out ?

CHAMPIONSHIP GOALS? ARE THEY THE SAME AS PREMIER LEAGUE, YOU FAIL TO SEE THE IRONY WHEN YOU CASTIGATE FOWLER FOR HIS SPELL AT CARDIFF, IS GALLYS RECORD THAT MUCH BETTER FOR PLYMOUTH THAN FOWLERS AT CARDIFF?

Rovers have the opportunities, facilities and the experience to get players "homed" quickly, so please, Carlos aside, I would expect each player to get stuck in for their £20k a week wages.

CARLOS IS THE ONE I MEANT. GRELLA HAS BEEN INJURED, THOSE ARE THE TWO IN MIDFIELD YOU MENTIONED...

Rovers had an established workmanlike team with work ethic, aside of the top 4 we are more or were capable of beating every team below 5th spot, we almost certainly had the credentials to worry the top 4 clubs even Chelsea and manure.

"CAPABLE" IS DIFFERENT FROM WE CAN EASILY BEAT EVERY TEAM OUTSIDE THE TOP 4!!! I AGREE BUT THAT WAS LAST YEAR, NOW WE HAVE TEAMS LIKE MAN CITY SPENDING £70 MILLION, IT IS DIFFICULT.

Matthias won the paint trophy and Div 2 title ! Please dont humour me on that one. If Hughes was lower down , with his experience alone he would walk the leagues 2 and 1.

I AM SORRY WHAT UTTER TOSH!! YOU CAN GUESS BUT YOU DONT KNOW. ALDRIDGE HAD A GOOD RECORD AND WAS A GOOD PLAYER WHAT DID HE WIN AS A MANAGER? BARNES TO NAME ANOTHER? WHAT DID HUGHES DO WITH THE WELSH SQUAD, DID THEY QUALIFY FOR THE EURO'S? LONGEST LOSING RECORD IN THE HISTORY OF WELSH FOOTBALL AND HE WON WHAT 4 GAMES IN HIS TIME? EXPERIENCE OBVIOUSLY COUNTED FOR A LOT

knox won his trophies with who ? Fergie (manure), Smith and Souness (Rangers), two biggest clubs in their respective countries and millionaires beyond belief.

SO IF YOU WIN IN A LOWER LEAGUE THEN IT IS A POOR LEAGUE, IF YOU WIN IN A TOP LEAGUE THEN IT DOES NOT MATTER BECAUSE THE TEAM HAS MONEY!! YOU LOGICAL IS BRILLIANT. REMIND ME AGAIN HOW MANY TROPHIES NEWCASTLE HAVE WON UNDER KEEGAN, DALGLISH OR MAN CITY UNDER SVEN/HUGHES OR SUNDERLAND UNDER KEANE, I CAN CARRY ON?

If you think Andrews has proved himself a PL player, then please answer me this. Which players in the current premiership, midfield wise, is he on a par with ? It is my opinion that he isnt anywhere near the likes of the worst and by that I mean, Bullard, Murphy (fulham), Cottermole and Koumas (wigon), who I may add are streets ahead in skill or nouse.

PLEASE READ WHAT I WROTE, I SAID SHOWN POTENTIAL TO BE A DECENT PL PLAYER, THE POINT IS THAT SURELY HE DESERVED A CHANCE BEFORE HE ARRIVED, I WILL JUDGE AT THE END OF THE SEASON, THAT WOULD BE SENSIBLE, THE PLAYERS YOU MENTIONED HAVE GOT HOW MANY YEARS OF PL EXPERIENCE?

Experimenting ? Does any team have time to experiment when failure results in relegation and loss of a financial lifeline ?

NEW MANAGER, EXPERIMENTS BECAUSE HE IS MISSING SEVEN FIRST 11 PLAYERS, IF WE WERE STUCK IN THE BOTTOM 3 I THINK HE MAY DIFFER WITH HIS APPROACH.

Imagine this, Rovers stuck on 13 points on New Years Day, are we going to attrat the type of player we need to progress ? NO we are not. Are we going to survive ? NO we are not. WILL WE EVER GET BACK UP ? no WE WONT.

I DONT LIKE IMAGINING I WOULD RATHER JUDGE ON WHERE WE ARE, WHICH IS IN THE SAME POSITION AS 10 OTHER CLUBS WITH WINNIBLE GAMES ARRIVING, SURELY WE SHOULD LIKE IN THE NOW?

I accept in full that PI should be given time, he is the manager after all. I have reiterated that I simply dont agree with his current decision making process.

YOU WANT TO GIVE PI TIME BUT THEN ARE EXPECTING THE WORST! WHY DONT YOU GIVE HIM THE TIME THEN JUDGE AT CHRISTMAS, THAT IS WHAT I WILL DO.

[Exiled in Toronto]

imy9, there is a difference between baseless comments and not repeating things which would enormously damage the club that I have felt passionately about for over 45 years.

The fact I am not willing to put stuff on a message board where journalists lurk doesn't wish things away for either you or me.

OH my God!!! You know something SO damaging to the club that to repeat it in public would lead us to immediate ruin????????? Thank goodness journalists don't have sources in football clubs and you haven't tipped them off to go digging. Oh, err....

Still, it's only Nicko so I'm sure your secret armageddon fact is safe.

By the way, when you said Ince was 'dead meat' a couple of days before he was appointed, did that come from your 'source' as well? Good tip off - we all thought he was going to get the job.

[dopper69]

I think that I must be one of the only people on this messageboard that hasn't got any contacts at Rovers

Although, my next door neighbours, Aunties, Uncles, little lad, who walks his dog with Tommy round the corner has informed me that he saw Paul Ince last week in a Burnley shirt!

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I was against Ince getting the job for one reason - not because of the colour of his skin, not because he was an obnoxious bullying Red Rat, not because he once slagged off our club . I was against his apointment purely because of his obvious lack of experience in management especially at this level. Nothing that has happened since he took over the job has changed my mind in any way, he's a novice learning on the job.

I'm sat here now, radio on, willing us to win tonight so no lectures as to wether I'm a Rover or not. Cut me and I'll bleed blue and white. I'm just apprehensive about our future under the present management team.

[1864roverite]

Yes, Sunderland home is winnable, like last year when we fluke dit.

Spuds and Pompy, yes we will win those ahemmm !

Liverpool at home, definate 3 points there.

Wigan, stoke, sunderland and Man city, yes all winnable again !

In our current form, I dont think we can look forward to more than 6 points at best out of that lot.

And , if that is the case, we will be rooted bottom 3 because I think we are only 2 points of that place as of now.

So Imy, keep your views coming I enjoy a good read

[mark]

terrible result. a bad day for BRFC

[imy9]

Yes, Sunderland home is winnable, like last year when we fluke dit.

Spuds and Pompy, yes we will win those ahemmm !

Liverpool at home, definate 3 points there.

Wigan, stoke, sunderland and Man city, yes all winnable again !

In our current form, I dont think we can look forward to more than 6 points at best out of that lot.

And , if that is the case, we will be rooted bottom 3 because I think we are only 2 points of that place as of now.

So Imy, keep your views coming I enjoy a good read

Oh look we have won with a weakened side, with Roque scoring- as I said, once he is fit we will have nothing to worry about.

[philipl]

Deliberately posting this now in the hope that a bunch of people can come on here and yah boo sucks at me after we have beaten Sunderland tonight with a vibrant display of attacking football without a single alarm at the back. I will be ecstatic if that is the case.

100% of us surely agree that results have been disappointing and that there are on-field problems that need to be sorted. Paul Ince did not inherit a squad that was aged or lacking in confidence or ability and my gut feel is that most supporters would say on football merits (forget being a small town punching above our weight) we under-performed against what the squad was actually capable of in coming 7th last season. 5th was definitely "doable".

The passionate division is between those who say give Ince a chance and those who think that giving Ince a chance is a increasingly resembling a one way ticket to the Championship.

Rovers' problem is we have this artificial device called the January transfer window looming which right now is working against both the club and Paul Ince.

The directors have a simple question to ask themselves- what has happened to restore their confidence in Paul Ince's transfer abilities at Premier League level that went missing in July and August?

If things are as bad as I think they are, Rovers have to make the decision quickly to change manager to give the new guy the chance to see the set-up at first hand and work with the whole of the January window. Rovers owe Ince no loyalty after the way he reacted to the Newcastle link when it first appeared. That's why I think the clock is ticking.

I am ecstatic about getting through.

Now let's go on a good run of wins and put the doubts behind us.