[Archived] Paul's Progress

[Zulu]

He will be the Celtic manager one day.

... unless Bolton Wanderers offer him a job. I would be willing to bet that he would be our first target when our board finally susses out Meggers.

[Frisky Jim]

... unless Bolton Wanderers offer him a job. I would be willing to bet that he would be our first target when our board finally susses out Meggers.

He may do. He's doing a good job for Burnley thus far.

He's a Celtic man though, so I can definitely see him in the dugout at Parkhead one day.

I wonder if Sandy Stewart would go there though... he's a big Rangers man.

[Zulu]

He may do. He's doing a good job for Burnley thus far.

He's a Celtic man though, so I can definitely see him in the dugout at Parkhead one day.

I wonder if Sandy Stewart would go there though... he's a big Rangers man.

A big Celtic man Jim, I agree. My old boss was a Glaswegian and a family friend of the Coyles. I have met him once - really nice guy. He did spend two years of his playing career at Bolton, of course. That's the reason I reckon we might go in for him.

[Frisky Jim]

A big Celtic man Jim, I agree. My old boss was a Glaswegian and a family friend of the Coyles. I have met him once - really nice guy. He did spend a big and succesful part of his playing career at Bolton, of course. That's the reason I reckon we might go in for him.

Agreed. Good player back in the day too.

Not too happy with Megson I take it? How was the game against Liverpool? Do Liverpool look capable of recapturing the title that has eluded them for almost nineteen years?

[Zulu]

Agreed. Good player back in the day too.

Not too happy with Megson I take it? How was the game against Liverpool? Do Liverpool look capable of recapturing the title that has eluded them for almost nineteen years?

You'll see that I edited my post having checked out Coyle's playing career! I could have sworn he spent more than two years with us, but the stats don't lie!

I don't think that too many of us are happy with Megson. I think most of us realise that our options were limited however when we appointed him. I don't think that we are too attractive an option for most managerial high flyers. I think you're in the same boat, pretty much.

I didn't manage to get up to the Reebok today. I watched it on Sky. Liverpool deserved the points in my view. As much as it bugs me they are one of the "Big Four" and the gap to the rest is growing. I don't think they'll win the title. They will finish behind United and Chelsea in my opinion. Not enough strength in the squad. The middle of their back four is very suspect whichever way the Fat Waiter mixes it up and Keane is not looking like he's worth his fee yet.

Our disallowed goal was a bit of a shocking decision - but there you go.

[Frisky Jim]

You'll see that I edited my post having checked out Coyle's playing career! I could have sworn he spent more than two years with us, but the stats don't lie!

I don't think that too many of us are happy with Megson. I think most of us realise that our options were limited however when we appointed him. I don't think that we are too attractive an option for most managerial high flyers. I think you're in the same boat, pretty much.

I didn't manage to get up to the Reebok today. I watched it on Sky. Liverpool deserved the points in my view. As much as it bugs me they are one of the "Big Four" and the gap to the rest is growing. I don't think they'll win the title. They will finish behind United and Chelsea in my opinion. Not enough strength in the squad. The middle of their back four is very suspect whichever way the Fat Waiter mixes it up and Keane is not looking like he's worth his fee yet.

Our disallowed goal was a bit of a shocking decision - but there you go.

Aye, I've never really been convinced with Megson, either.

I think that United will win the title. They smashed Stoke today and look like they are gaining some momentum. Liverpool can implode at any moment - the fat Spanish waiter tinkers with the team too much. Arsenal are too inconsistent and Chelsea may get distracted by Europe.

Best end this discussion now mate, the mods won't be too happy that the discussion has gone off-topic.

[Paul Mellelieu]

Other than Rover6, who didn't see today's game, is there anyone still backing Ince?

Come on Rev, where are you?

[thenodrog]

If nicko is to be believed, and I'd say he is, this very website played a rather large role in that decision. I'll happily admit that I was one of those dead against his appointment at the time, but right now he is the only place we should be looking.

Your opinion was badly flawed then so why do you feel that we should listen to it now? It's simply nonsensical to listen to you.

[emglch]

The string of results proved that I was naive to believe that a league 2 manager would make his cut after leap-frogging to a premier league manager and expect him to do reasonably well. We are in serious **** if things don't change for the better.

[Jan]

Was right, am right. It's a horrid place to be right now. Get him gone NOW.

[AussieinUk]

Was right, am right..

I had you 'pegged' as one of the people on this MB, that would just need to say this.. Feel better now?

My views on PI, have been posted in the other 'polling' thread

[James No. 7]

In the summer, we had just missed out on European qualification by a fluke and had every reason to be looking upwards so should have been appointing a Manager of European pedigree to match our European ambitions.

John Williams had the luxury of attracting a manager of European pedigree in the first place, thanks to the good work of Mark Hughes I might add. Now that opportunity is lost. The Ince appointment has set the club back by years.

[67splitscreen]

I'm still not sure, 1/2 of me says twist, 1/2 says stick.

Why?

1. I don't know of a replacement, who has what will unite the fans, and gain, at least 90% backing to his appointment.(another poll, where did that get us)

2. A new appointment still holds no sure fixes.

3. Out of work managers, would have to source a new backroom staff, and why are they out of work. (failure in the eyes ot there last employer)

4. Poaching a proven manager, big,big ask, for BRFC at the moment.

I don't have the answers for replaceing Ince, and no crystal ball, I'm gonna stick, and see what the next set of cards bring.

Million ££££ question, what is JW thinking, well after N/castle approached, Hughes, he said the writtting was on the wall.

Is the writting on the wall for Ince, in his mind?, will JW stand up and admit he made a blunder?. Wii JW risk relegation, NO.

He may be making some tentitive enquires, but I don't think that's his style. It may need to change very soon.

A very worried, and unhappy 67splitscreen.

[Iceman]

no ideas,lack of support from fans and players, lack of motivation,lack of man to man management. i say get rid now

[leftfooter]

After witnessing yesterday's debacle and now nursing a hangover as big as Mill Hill, my patience is understandably wearing thin.

I would like to see the following:

1. Ince given one more home game to sort things out.

2. John Williams to show some leadership and to come out and state clearly the immediate aims for the club and what he expects from Ince.

3. The stance of the Board vis-à-vis the backing, if any it is prepared to give in order to ensure that Ince or the new manager will have all the financial support he will need come January to avoid relegation at the end of the season.

4. The Board/Trustees to clarify what it expects our financial situation would be if the worst comes to the worst and we were to be relegated. What kind of backing, if any it would be prepared to offer so we can avoid the fate of the likes of Charlton, Southampton, Leicester etc...

5. Williams/Board to discretely draw up a list of immediately available options should he/it is required to wield the axe come the end of the month.

6. Philipl: you claim that you have information re Ince's management that you are withholding in order not to damage the best interests of the club. I say it's time to put up or shut up. Any damage that might be sustained due to ventilating this information in the public domain has already been eclipsed by the current plight of the team and the vortex in to which the club has fallen. With due deference to the harshness of English defamation law, I call on you as a fan with Rovers at heart, to publish your knowledge. Unless these alleged lapses and deficiencies are publicly aired, how on earth can the club, the fans and the players' begin to address them?

I should add that Ince must address the fans, shoulder responsibility for our situation and for once, clearly articulate how he is going to take us forward.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

Before yesterday I thought Ince needed time but after the toothless effort in the second half I suspect that rovers cannot afford to give him it.

I agree Phil if you have information lets get into the open.

Again yesterday reminded of 1999, no heart and passion, Players storming out, bizarre tactical, bizarre substituions and as I've said before injuries.

I suspect January will see 'Stars' want to leave.

[DingleBaiter]

Lefty.

Good points, all valid, but I think you've subconsciously listed them in order of a likelihood of occurence?

There's more chance of Elvis appearing in Mill Hill WMC than Philip actually having the guts to either reveal his sources or desist from referring to fairy tales. It's part of a worrying trend of status anxiety that manifests itself in delighting in any negativity. Look at some posters in the last 24 hours that are orgasmic in their delight of our plight, because it plays to their hatred of Ince? They'd much rather enjoy being 'right' and actually seem gleeful in our despondency?

Personally, I can't work out why the belief system of any Rovers 'fan' would be such that their happiness and joy is inversely proportional to our team's perfomance and success. Whatever would make them happy I wonder? Even if we sack Ince, what next? Far be it from them to suggest any possibly positive suggestions past getting rid of him; perhaps their hiding from naming who'd they suggest would be better so they can go 'double or nothing' in continuing a vendetta against the next incumbent?

[philipl]

Lefty.

Good points, all valid, but I think you've subconsciously listed them in order of a likelihood of occurence?

There's more chance of Elvis appearing in Mill Hill WMC than Philip actually having the guts to either reveal his sources or desist from referring to fairy tales. It's part of a worrying trend of status anxiety that manifests itself in delighting in any negativity. Look at some posters in the last 24 hours that are orgasmic in their delight of our plight, because it plays to their hatred of Ince? They'd much rather enjoy being 'right' and actually seem gleeful in our despondency?

Personally, I can't work out why the belief system of any Rovers 'fan' would be such that their happiness and joy is inversely proportional to our team's perfomance and success. Whatever would make them happy - even if we sack Ince, what next? Far be it from them to suggest any possibly positive suggestions past getting rid of him; perhaps their hiding from naming who'd they suggest would be better so they can go 'double for nothing' in continuing a vendetta against the next incumbent?

How many times can I say I want Rovers to be successful and I will be absolutely delighted if Paul Ince were to have a Damascene revelation and be the Manager to take us back into Europe through our league position this season?

And my friend, it is not a question of guts. If these things don't come out more than they have done already there remains a chance that Paul Ince could turn things around.

The balance of probability is against it but its JW's and the Trust's call not mine.

PS See Preston Blue's post in the pinned vote section.

[DingleBaiter]

How many times can I say I want Rovers to be successful and I will be absolutely delighted if Paul Ince were to have a Damascene revelation and be the Manager to take us back into Europe through our league position this season?

And my friend, it is not a question of guts. If these things don't come out more than they have done already there remains a chance that Paul Ince could turn things around.

The balance of probability is against it but its JW's and the Trust's call not mine.

TBH Philip, I feel your first sentence is somewhat contrary to how you behave with all this 'I've got some stories, but I'm not telling you' guff.

Why not just say nothing then, and let the chips fall how they may? After watching that tripe yesterday, nothing you could offer in terms of any substance or 'evidence' could have a more detrimental effect, surely? You may think it would add to the despondency, but it's only internet tittle-tattle after all, and stories would always be made up anyway even if you said nowt else - which may be your intention, who knows?

For someone that often posts good, informative posts to resort to petty, insidious, childish 'I know something but I'm not telling you' playground gossip is simply sad.

You've the temerity to keep up this campaign of disinformation and innuendo, yet proclaim to have Rovers interests at heart?

Show the courage of your convictions, man. Otherwise, you're part of the problem, not part of the solution.

[imy9]

"I will state again, I dont sit on a fence, I am backing Ince.... for now."

I'm afraid that is sitting on the fence!

Sitting on a fence implies that I am undecided, I am not, I am backing Ince 100%, however as I have stated if the circumstances change my view will change accordingly, that most certainly is not sitting on a fence!

If we wait until we're adrift of the pack we'll go down you numpty!

Well maybe if you look at the PL table and realise that Bolton who were 11th in the league are THREE points ahead of us, then you would realise that the PL is the most open it has been for years. I am concerned about the league position but not enough to want PI to be gone.

Lets say a new manager comes in, Big Sam being the likeliest choice, what would happen? We would win a few games, climb the league and then watch mediocre football for the rest of our lives! If there is an outstanding candidate out there who will move our forward then fine, but there is no one.

[leftfooter]

Lefty.

Good points, all valid, but I think you've subconsciously listed them in order of a likelihood of occurence?

There's more chance of Elvis appearing in Mill Hill WMC than Philip actually having the guts to either reveal his sources or desist from referring to fairy tales. It's part of a worrying trend of status anxiety that manifests itself in delighting in any negativity. Look at some posters in the last 24 hours that are orgasmic in their delight of our plight, because it plays to their hatred of Ince? They'd much rather enjoy being 'right' and actually seem gleeful in our despondency?

Personally, I can't work out why the belief system of any Rovers 'fan' would be such that their happiness and joy is inversely proportional to our team's perfomance and success. Whatever would make them happy I wonder? Even if we sack Ince, what next? Far be it from them to suggest any possibly positive suggestions past getting rid of him; perhaps their hiding from naming who'd they suggest would be better so they can go 'double or nothing' in continuing a vendetta against the next incumbent?

I wouldn't put Philip in that camp.

I'm quite confident that Philip will understand the governing principle of making such assertions; that it is now in the clubs interest to ventilate them in order that any concerns he raises can be all the more quickly addressed.

Surely Philip must now realise that resorting to the joint device of intrigue and innuendo is playing in to the hands of 'Messers Rodney Rumour and Thomas Tittle-Tattle', which will of course ultimately undermine the club for which he claims to have the best interests at heart?

[1864roverite]

It says it all when we are headlined in todays press looking at a new keepr.

WILLY GUERETS FROM MK DONS

Its so funny it hurts my side when I laugh

[Sysagent]

Imy it's not the points situation that is bothering me, it's the whole picture of what is happening at / to Rovers, I know it is a close season this year in the Premier, BUT that being the case on paper and with the resources we have we should be up there with the better teams than sinking down with the lesser ones...

Something is not right, something needs to change and it needs to be pretty damn quick.

[leftfooter]

Appreciate the comments Philip.

Was right, am right. It's a horrid place to be right now. Get him gone NOW.

Gloating is such an unattractive characteristic Jan.

[trs]

Get ready. Fat Sam's on his way up the A666. Tee hee!

Best manager you've ever had .............without a shadow of a doubt!