[Archived] Paul's Progress

[trs]

I wouldn't blame Sam if he stuck two fingers up at us. We should be embarrassed for calling his name after what happened pre-season.

Spot on!....... But dont forget, BFS plays boring,negative football.

Could someone tell me what swung it (interview wise) in favour of Ince above BFS.

[thenodrog]

5. Williams/Board to discretely draw up a list of immediately available options should he/it is required to wield the axe come the end of the month.

C'mon leftfooter, after they'd had the chance to take a good long look at Paul Ince, his methods and his attitude then I assume that will have been done for some time. If not then the powers that be should not be the powers that be.

Spot on!....... But dont forget, BFS plays boring,negative football.

Could someone tell me what swung it (interview wise) in favour of Ince above BFS.

1. A few spotty kids who couldn't find their arses with both hands on something called facebook.

2. Apparently a vehement objection to Allardyce from one of the trustees.

3. Gumboots occasional hormonal imbalances.

[trs]

C'mon leftfooter, after they'd had the chance to take a good long look at Paul Ince, his methods and his attitude then I assume that will have been done for some time. If not then the powers that be should not be the powers that be.

1. A few spotty kids who couldn't find their arses with both hands on something called facebook.

I found that embarrasing at the time and to think that Williams took note................surely not!

[The Prof.]

Spot on!....... But dont forget, BFS plays boring,negative football.

Could someone tell me what swung it (interview wise) in favour of Ince above BFS.

Yesterday was boring football. - The price is what swung it!

[gillibrand]

Sam is the man, and why a Trustee should be against Sam is unbelievable if Sam was in charge the club would be worth more !

[1864roverite]

I am amazed that The Rev has not posted on this thread so far.

Come on Rev, where are you. We seek words of wisdom.

[thenodrog]

Sam is the man, and why a Trustee should be against Sam is unbelievable if Sam was in charge the club would be worth more !

You cannot say that without knowing why.

[otto man]

Bfs instead of Ince? Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire!.....In my humble opinion " The fat one" IS NOT the answer.

[gillibrand]

Well I think the club would be worth more if we are in the top half of the Premiership than battling in a lower division, and once we drop a division who know were it will end, a frightening thought!

[thenodrog]

Bfs instead of Ince? Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire!.....In my humble opinion " The fat one" IS NOT the answer.

OK otto. However we do know that (like Mark Hughes) Allardyce can consistently keep a small unfashionable town club with very little money in the top half / European placings, and with all due respects we don't even know that about Wenger, Mourhino or the old RFW! So can you explain your reasoning further otto, and also give us your preferred choice of manager?

[trs]

Well I think the club would be worth more if we are in the top half of the Premiership than battling in a lower division, and once we drop a division who know were it will end, a frightening thought!

I've bored family and friends for ages with the statement "we'll find our true level one day" and i have a feeling it wont be long.

Before anyone slags me for being a negative so and so.........I KNOW!

[dingles staying down 4ever]

OK otto. However we do know that (like Mark Hughes) Allardyce can consistently keep a small unfashionable town club with very little money in the top half / European placings, and with all due respects we don't even know that about Wenger, Mourhino or the old RFW! So can you explain your reasoning further otto, and also give us your preferred choice of manager?

For those complaining about BFS, the style of football won't be any different as that served up Hughes. Very few complained then, it maybe boring but in the present circumstances beggars can't be chosers if you want premiership football.

[trs]

For those complaining about BFS, the style of football won't be any different as that served up Hughes. Very few complained then, it maybe boring but in the present circumstances beggars can't be chosers if you want premiership football.

Those who complain of BFS style of football will be telling you next that Rory Delap's throw in's are boring and Stoke don't play football.

[otto man]

OK otto. However we do know that (like Mark Hughes) Allardyce can consistently keep a small unfashionable town club with very little money in the top half / European placings, and with all due respects we don't even know that about Wenger, Mourhino or the old RFW! So can you explain your reasoning further otto, and also give us your preferred choice of manager?

My reasoning Theno? Bfs would be nothing more than a short term fix ( ie keeping us up this season) How many of us would want season in and season out of long ball football played by ageing mercenaries( notlob of old anyone?) looking for that last paypacket. As to whom we should bring in, well there's the rub! But didn't JW say that we had a long list of applications from very creditable candidates?

[1864roverite]

I dont think anyone is going to slate you TRS, your absolutely spot on mate.

Rovers appear to be on a never ending downward spiral and the questions that are being asked are NOT being answered. By Ince, by the club or the senior management.

What has happened since last season is beyond belief.

We have imploded on the team ethic side.

We have failed to replace our creativity in the team.

We have replaced skill and nouse with "aged" inexperience and the potential of an unqualified allegedly "bright" English manager.

The basics of football are being ignored, the standard of football is being addressed but the results are being negative.

Whatever it is they are doing is NOT working. Whatever it is is clearly upsetting the moral in the team. How anyone can ignore the skill and experience of an International player in Vogel beggars belief becasue he is EXACTLY what we need right now. Employing him in the team removes the requirement for Warnock to play left back, it also relieves the pressure on MGP because for me, those two work well together on the left side. the end result is also that we dont have to play a right footed defender in the left side of the team leaving it balanced.

Its not rocket science, it common sense.

The team should look like its balanced, even with injuries.

Robinson

Ooijer Samba Nelsen/Kish Warnock

Emerton Vogel Tugay/Mokoena/Dunn MGP

RSC McCarthy

subs from

Kish, Tugay,Mokoena, Derbyshire,Roberts,Grella,Dunn,Brown,Reid,Olsson

Allowing for the current injuries, there are still options that employing Vogel will be of benefit to Rovers and it appears that he is ignorant to it.

If I can see this alike many other supporters, then why cant he ? Why cant Matthias and why cant Knox ?

Being stubborn is childish, admitting one is wrong is a brave admission to make but the correct one.

For me, it has emphasised the lack of experience he has, and this is proving to be his downfall. Some may say its arrogance borne out of his United days, the reports coming from Ewood circles last night would be evidence of that arrogance in failing to acknowledge the misgivings of his management style and thinking.

Rovers fans are not thick, we dont need blase excuses from Matthias, we want answers for the man at the helm.

[Amo]

Was it ever confirmed that we overlooked Laudrup due to his lack of long-term commitment? Or was that just speculation?

Since we finished seventh in the league, you'd really think Williams would jump at the chance of bringing in a qualified world-class manager. He also would have had our biggest kitty for a while. Even one season of success would be worth it. We all agree that Souness deserved the boot (before he jumped), but we still look back fondly on what he achieved here. Besides, a short-term contract works both ways. If Laudrup had flattered to deceive, it wouldn't cost so much to either chuck him or wait until he left at the end of the season.

[Alan75]

Whilst Paul Ince hasn't helped the situation, the position that Rovers are currently in, should not be as a surprise to anyone. If more had taken off their blue tinted glasses, they would have seen that the club have been in decline for some time.

There has been a sickness within the club for more that 12 months and in my opinion relegation was only avoided last season due to points picked up prior to the free fall in October and the ability of the manager and coaches to make tactical changes, which whilst not pretty were effective.

No one could actually honestly say we have been a joy to watch in recent years and we have survived more on "bully boy" negative play, through necessity and guile than actual entertainment.

Ince unlike Souness and Hughes has inherited an ageing team in transition, not helped by the exit of last season's main creative player Bentley, injuries and lack of financial backing by the board. Although in fairness Hughes likewise didn't have the same financial backing that Souness had. One does wonder if Hughes had been less inclined to jump ship to City if finance at Ewood had been more forthcoming to allow him to move to the next level.

Souness arrived on the scene with a plethora of young talented players, Duff, Jansen, Dunn, Taylor and Johnson and was also able to strengthen the squad with players that had a hunger for the game and wanted to either prove critics wrong or wanted to make a name for themselves in the game.

Hughes basically had to rekindle the embers of a team, that had a nucleolus of talented players, that needed tweaking and strengthening. This was Hughes's strength, in an ability to find unknown players at bargain prices or attract star players, because of his status in the game.

Unfortunately these players have no affinity to the club or to the supporters and were simply mercenaries plying their trade to the highest bidder, using the club as a stepping stone or sitting back in full knowledge that they had inflated contracts for the foreseeable future.

This is what Ince has inherited, an ageing team, who apart from the isolated case have no sell on value yet he or any other incoming manager had to rebuild if the club was to become a force in the premiership.

On current form it would suggest that Ince is lacking in player appraisal, team selection and tactical awareness or is it that his hands are tied by the players available and financial backing.

The question that needs to be asked, bearing in mind his lack of experience and no formal qualification was Ince the right man for the job. Was the step up to premiership management to soon for Ince, we will only know that if the powers that be, are now brave enough to back their judgement and give Ince financial backing. Or will they admit that they got it wrong and admit that it was one step up to soon for Ince.

Whether the board back their judgement or cut their losses and appoint another manager remains to be seen. What is certain, whoever is in the hot seat come January they will require some financial backing from the board or the return to championship level is a certainty.

[thenodrog]

Rovers fans are not thick, we dont need blase excuses from Matthias, we want answers for the man at the helm.

Well I disagree cos it's plain that around 20% ARE thick, with another 50% who stupidly allow misplaced optimism to cloud their judgement.

New manager poll...........

Devastated [ 44 ] [7.39%]

Completely underwhelmed [ 48 ] [8.07%]

Not sure, but initial feeling is disappointment [ 88 ] [14.79%]

Prepared to wait and see [ 137 ] [23.03%]

Might be good [ 82 ] [13.78%]

Should work out OK [ 77 ] [12.94%]

Very optimistic [ 101 ] [16.97%]

Top man [ 18 ] [3.03%]

[gillibrand]

I still can't believe that people on here think that a continental manager would be good for this northern unfashionable club with limited spending power, West Ham are not doing very well with their cash flow limited, and they reside in the capital, WOW!

[thenodrog]

Hughes basically had to rekindle the embers of a team, that had a nucleolus of talented players, that needed tweaking and strengthening. This was Hughes's strength, in an ability to find unknown players at bargain prices or attract star players, because of his status in the game.

Unfortunately these players have no affinity to the club or to the supporters and were simply mercenaries plying their trade to the highest bidder, using the club as a stepping stone or sitting back in full knowledge that they had inflated contracts for the foreseeable future.

Unless another Jack Walker turns up (and that wont happen now imo), or unless LUFC takes off (and we will have to hit rock bottom before many supporters will accept that) then the best and only business model to follow is the above. Bring in the players who have suffered a dip in form and confidence etc, restore them to thier potential and sell them on for profit.

[Amo]

I still can't believe that people on here think that a continental manager would be good for this northern unfashionable club with limited spending power, West Ham are not doing very well with their cash flow limited, and they reside in the capital, WOW!

What a defeatist thing to say. It's all about how you sell yourself. If you wanna accept we're just smoggy little Blackburn, be my guest. There is nothing wrong with ambition.

[gillibrand]

And Big Sam was quite good at rekindling unfashionable players.

What a defeatist thing to say. It's all about how you sell yourself. If you wanna accept we're just smoggy little Blackburn, be my guest. There is nothing wrong with ambition.

It's about being realistic.

[47er]

Lets say a new manager comes in, Big Sam being the likeliest choice, what would happen? We would win a few games, climb the league and then watch mediocre football for the rest of our lives! If there is an outstanding candidate out there who will move our forward then fine, but there is no one.

What do you think we watched yesterday then? "we would win a few games,climb the league"-------well what are we waiting for?

[Wiggy]

Those who complain of BFS style of football will be telling you next that Rory Delap's throw in's are boring and Stoke don't play football.

Funnily enough Ince had two main 'tactics' yesterday. Pederson to chuck long throws into the box a la Delap. Robinson to boot long (aimless) balls upfield to Roberts and Roque.

( whose style of football does that remind you of? )

[thenodrog]

"We would win a few games, climb the league and then watch mediocre football for the rest of our lives! "

err...... As opposed to watching the park football on display yesterday? I'd take that.

Funnily enough Ince had two main 'tactics' yesterday. Pederson to chuck long throws into the box a la Delap. Robinson to boot long (aimless) balls upfield to Roberts and Roque.

( whose style of football does that remind you of? )

Allardyces I guess ...... err until Ince took off two big front men and replaced em with midgets and employed the same tactics! How effin bright was that?