[Archived] Gordon Brown

[thenodrog]

I think it's a case of "all girls together" and they're not going to let us in on teh funny secreat language.

Albeit unwittingly you're sort of on the right track there Bryan. Anyway it's nowt. Not even slightly important.

[yoda]

I think it's a case of "all girls together" and they're not going to let us in on teh funny secreat language.

Don't worry Bryan, Colin has had some private tutoring

[thenodrog]

I must say to my mind failing to grasp the nettle by borrowing ever more to get out of trouble rather than facing up to the issue and dealing with it accordingly goes right against the grain.

A 'scorched earth' policy by Gordy to p1ss up the Tories legs after the next election would not suprise me. It would screw us all over of course and smacks of 'I've lost the battle but not the war'.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/poli...icle5158548.ece

[Wiggy]

As they say, if a country had a share price it would be it's currency. The world and his dog is voting on Gordonomics by dumping sterling. I despair that people are still taken in by his bullsh't. He is an incompetent fool who will now try anything to make us pay for another term in office. Unfortunately the Tory Party seem completely spineless. We really need a big hitter now to tell people how bad things are. Ken Clarke?

[yoda]

I must say to my mind failing to grasp the nettle by borrowing ever more to get out of trouble rather than facing up to the issue and dealing with it accordingly goes right against the grain.

A 'scorched earth' policy by Gordy to p1ss up the Tories legs after the next election would not suprise me. It would screw us all over of course and smacks of 'I've lost the battle but not the war'.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/poli...icle5158548.ece

I have said before that GB will plant a poison pill for the next government, now that Scotland has devolution they should have their own passports and visa's

[thenodrog]

Anybody care to speculate on how long it will take somebody to come forward and say 'they were told?'. Cue Home Sec resigning to protect PM's integrity.

[Billy Castell]

All this borrowing will only leading to a ____storm in our country's economics by the next government at least. All this debt will have to be paid off, and it will mean India and China will have a strong hand in any debate over any world problem as they will be able to call in the loans at any time if we get too angry over human rights or whatever. Public spending should be made more efficient and lowered, so no silly stuff like getting the NHS to pay over the odds for private sector stuff, scrapping PCSOs and Community Enforcement Officers and so on. At the same time, small and medium businesses should get their taxes lowered, and a windfall tax and perhaps even legislation should hit the energy companies that have jacked up prices by double percentage figures.

Lobbing money into a big hole may make you feel better short term, but long term it can be awful. When the debts pile up, would that affect the pound's value and inflation, as more money may be produced to pay off the loans?

It would be a good election to lose, so expect Labour's manifesto to be presented by Jaqui Smith and Hazel Blears, two of the most condescending wastes of space in Britain, and to have promises of the age of conscent for sex being lowered to 6, free machetes for 16 year olds and French to be the official first language of England.

[thenodrog]

It would be a good election to lose, so expect Labour's manifesto to be presented by Jaqui Smith and Hazel Blears, two of the most condescending wastes of space in Britain, and to have promises of the age of conscent for sex being lowered to 6, free machetes for 16 year olds and French to be the official first language of England.

Obviously thats a p1sstake right? ........ But the sad bit is that Jack Straw would still get in in Blackburn.

[Billy Castell]

It would be a sure fire election losing manifesto, so if you wanted to lose then put them in. Mind you parties don't really stick to manifestos, especially the Labour Party, so who would take notice?

[RibbleValleyRover]

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[thenodrog]

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[Tris]

This could have been rekindled in any one of a dozen threads ... but I think the revelations in the Daily Telegraph tomorrow on Gordon Brown's expenses will be headline news for a while. Top topics on BBC1 News at Ten and BBC2 Newsnight.

6 thousand notes to the PM's brother, to pay for their "cleaner" - apparently he cleaned both houses (not the Houses of Parliament - where the PM lives and where his bro lives).

Jack Straw's up for some questions as well. Discuss.

I think this could be the final straw for many voters, on top of a string of mistakes by our top politicians and the economic mess we have been pitched in to. The European elections on June 4th could throw up some shockingly stark messages.

[Billy Castell]

Apparently the Tories, Lib Dems etc. will be exposed later on. There is a police investigation into how this got out apparently, so the MPs are moving to avoid further embarrassment and hide how much they bury their noses into the trough. It is great that this 'corruption' is exposed, as it is our money that is paying for their bath plugs and so on. I don't give a crap whether it is in the rules, it is not on. There needs to be a purge of MPs of all the main parties, and new people brought in.

I think they should submit their train fares, and get £600-700 per month for a flat in London to crash out in. And that is it. I wonder if when Norman Tebbit told the unemployed to get on their bike all those years ago whether he was up to this sort of thing. I also wonder if Sinn Fein MPs claim anything.

All these stories, the shoddy treatment of Ghurkas, the suggested smear campaign and now the expenses controversy damage Labour more as they have no ideology, and plan about where the country should go and no dirve to make Britain a better place. 'New' Labour was invented to get into power, not to change the country, and now it has run out of puff. So when these stories surface, the glib, condesending, patronising fools in the cabinet can't say that we should stick with them as they have a vision for the future, because they don't.

[adopted scouser]

I also wonder if Sinn Fein MPs claim anything.

Clothing allowance apparently, just for bomber jackets.

Based on recent events I'm voting for Joanna Lumley.

[American]

Gap between haves and have-nots highest since 60s

Waiting to see if Jim ignores this, or finds a way to blame it on Thatcher, even though Labor has been in power for 11 years....

[broadsword]

It's like a bloody car crash, I can barely watch.

Someon eput him out of his misery.

[thenodrog]

Gap between haves and have-nots highest since 60s

Waiting to see if Jim ignores this, or finds a way to blame it on Thatcher, even though Labor has been in power for 11 years....

It's from the Guardian too! Marvellous.

[thenodrog]

It's like a bloody car crash, I can barely watch.

Someon eput him out of his misery.

I can tell he's lying simply cos I can see his lips moving! The hand shaking just illustrates what a tosser he is. This man has surely caused more damage to our country and it's citizens than anybody in history

[thenodrog]

This could have been rekindled in any one of a dozen threads ... but I think the revelations in the Daily Telegraph tomorrow on Gordon Brown's expenses will be headline news for a while. Top topics on BBC1 News at Ten and BBC2 Newsnight.

From aol news......

Another tranche of ministers and MPs has been hit with damaging revelations about their use of public money via Commons expenses. The latest leaked details show millionaire tourism minister Barbara Follett claimed more than £25,000 for security patrols outside her home. The Daily Telegraph's release of more material came as Commons officials called in Scotland Yard to investigate the leak.

MPs fear the drip-drip disclosure of details from more than a million receipts - which the House authorities had been preparing for publication in July after losing a long-running Freedom of Information battle - is doing irreparable harm to the reputation of British politics and parliament.

Worse than getting caught with their fingers in the till, the bstards have been trying to hush this all up! They are all as bad as one another! As I've said many a time don't vote for em cos it only encourages em. Democracy is almost dead, time for a change.

[dave birch]

From aol news......

Democracy is almost dead, time for a change.

and what do you recommend, Citizens United, Friendly Communism, United Anarchy?

As usual Theno, you want a change, but offer no alternative.

You want a change, but don't vote for one. How on earth can things change if people don't vote for it, or can't be bothered to get off their arses and do something.

My advice to you theno, if you want change, then DO something to make it happen.

[Eddie]

Democracy is dead? Hasn't this always been the case? You're shocked by the fact that some ministers are taking advantage of the expense system; do you think everything was above board in the good old days or something?

[broadsword]

To vote is to validate the existing system.

Certainly if I do vote it won't be for one of teh mainstream parties. They can go and kiss my hairy yellow ass.

[American]

Gap between haves and have-nots highest since 60s

Waiting to see if Jim ignores this, or finds a way to blame it on Thatcher, even though Labor has been in power for 11 years....

And those that voted ignore win....

[Bazzanotsogreat]

Gap between haves and have-nots highest since 60s

Waiting to see if Jim ignores this, or finds a way to blame it on Thatcher, even though Labor has been in power for 11 years....

That's because posters such as Jim are Champagne Socialists. His dogma, hypocrisy and ultimately delusional beliefs that New Labour is anything more; than a botched attempt at copying Thatcherite ideology. Which pretty much typifies quite a large proportion of the small minority who are still adherently Labour.

You only have to take a walk around our inner cities, self proclaimed ‘urban ghettos’ & council estates to know that the gap between the haves & have not’s has widened under Labour.

[jim mk2]

That's because posters such as Jim are Champagne Socialists. .

Glad to see I'm getting up your Tory nose

What's champagne BTW ? Rather have a cup of tea any day.

The silence has been deafening from the Tories and Lib Dems over this week's expenses revelations .

Now could that be because they are wetting themselves because the Torygraph has said it will publish the misdemeanours of Call Me Dave and his cohorts next week ?

Or will a call from Central Office to the Barclay Brothers see the story pulled as the right-wing establishment closes ranks ?