[Archived] The New Paradigm!?

[Damage]

OK I admit I'm a pessimist! I think the world is heading into darkness. But maybe we can correct the crap!@?

So how should it look? Please let your imagination run riot! Outside the box!!

more ideas the better!

Jjust nothing related to religion - that only leads to regression!

[dave birch]

OK Damage, I'll start:

Mugabe gets topped,

Kim Jong Ill suddenly realises there is a life for his people beyond the disaster he continued

The world, and particularly the americans, realise that there is no need to fight war after war and discontinue producing arms and spend the money on raising the living standards of the poor and oppressed.

Global warming is under control

A answer to the oil crisis is found

Price of beer reduced

Football to become an even contest

England to offer a reasonable challenge in the cricket

Maybe the football as well.

Is that enough to get you started, Damage?

[1864roverite]

The youth of today are taught the meaning of the word RESPECT.

labour are booted out of office NEVER to return.

World debt to be equalised to ZERO in order to start afresh.

[philipl]

One of the great dangers we are facing is that the people in charge of trying to solve the problems in the USA are for the most part, the people who set-up the neocon dream and concept of the American Century in the first place.

It is a bit like imagining Lennin and Stalin were still alive and had responsibility for the Russian transition to a market economy and dissolution of the USSR in 1990/1.

No wonder Paulsson and Bush are being so slow on the draw. All their certainties and thinking parameters have been blown away. And you can be absolutely certain Bush has never read a word written by either Keynes or Galbraith.

Neo-Con economics/politics are effectively as dead now as communism is.

[roverthemoon]

One of the great dangers we are facing is that the people in charge of trying to solve the problems in the USA are for the most part, the people who set-up the neocon dream and concept of the American Century in the first place.

It is a bit like imagining Lennin and Stalin were still alive and had responsibility for the Russian transition to a market economy and dissolution of the USSR in 1990/1.

No wonder Paulsson and Bush are being so slow on the draw. All their certainties and thinking parameters have been blown away. And you can be absolutely certain Bush has never read a word written by either Keynes or Galbraith.

Neo-Con economics/politics are effectively as dead now as communism is.

Philip,I really like your contributions to the board and find them very informative but as an ordinary working man this post has left me for dead.

[philipl]

Sorry.

Just a hunch but I am saying that it is not surprising the US Government response to the crisis is proving so hesitant and faltering.

The people in charge of the USA Government are mostly the same people who swept away all regultions of the economy and in the banks in particular.

Now with the crisis, what they believed in is failing spectacularly and quickly. They need to re-regulate and put Government money in to save the banks and markets- something which they have fundamentally believed to be completely wrong all their adult lives.

They probably do not know the teachings of the people who wrote about how Governments should intervene and so just do not know or understand what they are doing.

If the initiative taken by London on Wednesday is also taken up by the EU tonight and is seen to be working so the Americans follow suit, the "Brown Plan" will be seen to have saved the global financial system- not because Brown is a genious but at least he had a grounding in an alternative way of doing economics. But, there is a long way to go yet before he claims his prize and thankfully at the moment he is pushing all the praise onto the meeting in Paris.

[Billy Castell]

Could we enter a period of 'state capitalism'? Russia's big companies have links with the many branches of their state, China has allowed capitalism whilst retaining complete control over the political scene, and who can play their game. The UAE has created a system whereby those who control the state, control the economic boom, and many banks around the world have been nationalised, or part-nationalised. In many cases, the state control will be temporary, but who knows how long it will be before governments will trust an unfettered capitalism.

[blue phil]

It seems what most people are willing to settle for these days is capitalism ...... so long as it is structured not to go against the interests of the nation and its citizens .

Add a nice dose of socialism to the free market so that all the people can benefit from it and we could have a decent system .

We could call it National Socialism

[Flopsy]

Nah, not catchy enough

[Billy Castell]

It seems what most people are willing to settle for these days is capitalism ...... so long as it is structured not to go against the interests of the nation and its citizens .

Add a nice dose of socialism to the free market so that all the people can benefit from it and we could have a decent system .

We could call it National Socialism

Phil, that's like soooo 1930's!

It would be a brave person to take that label and put it forward.

[thenodrog]

Hmmmmm..... National Socialism in Germany sprung from the loins of an impoverished population suffering costly war reparations whilst being the butt end of deep global recession!

They do say that history repeats itself.

[dave birch]

Well Damage, That didn't work, did it?

All it did was bring out the bigger pessimists than you

[sloth_frattelli]

Bring back national service!

The installation of discipline and self-pride within Britain's youth is an urgent necessity.

[Billy Castell]

Hmmmmm..... National Socialism in Germany sprung from the loins of an impoverished population suffering costly war reparations whilst being the butt end of deep global recession!

They do say that history repeats itself.

They do, but since the end of the Third Reich, Germans have been keen to stamp out any chance of a fourth. For instance, the famous episode of Fawlty Towers has only recently been shown on German TV, and you can make any German feel uncomfortable by mentioning the war. I think there will be a number of skinheads who would cause hassle, and they may play a role in local politics, but I doubt the next Hitler will be allowed to be given as much help as the original one did. Russia might end up saying balls to democracy, if they haven't done so already.

Re Sloth Fratelli: I'm not sure about National Service. I wasn't a happy or stable person when I was 18, and it may have been very damaging for me. And with all the gun crime that apparently goes on in the big cities,you wouldn't want them to have training in firearms. It would work for some dodgy young characters though.

[BiggusLaddus]

And with all the gun crime that apparently goes on in the big cities,you wouldn't want them to have training in firearms.

I would. This may sound flippant but I'm serious, if they are going to be shooting at each other anyway, I'd like them to be good shots. Then there would be less chance of innocent people being hit by mistake.

Also, I suspect that if more kids were exposed to firearms and learned to respect them as tools and not 'gansta' accessories, then we might have less shootings as a result. Besides, all kids as young as 13 can join the army/air cadets and recieve rifle training now if they want to.

[Billy Castell]

The USA and Finland have a legal gun culture, and look what happens in their schools and on their streets. A better shot may not have killed Rhys Jones, but you may be training the next crazy school kid or gangsta wannabe who isn't interested in the power and responsibilty in owning a gun. They'd want to be 'respected' (i.e. feared), not educated.

Anyway, this is changing the subject of the thread. I think we'd be seeing more economic co-operation and co-ordination between EU countries for some time, as they seek to get out of this mess and not let it happen again. Perhaps Anti Smiths.... will be giving us shrill and moralistic headlines about something other than misbehaving football players.

[blue phil]

I doubt the next Hitler will be allowed to be given as much help as the original one did. Russia might end up saying balls to democracy, if they haven't done so already.

That reminds me of the recent electoral success of the Austrian far right parties - a third of the vote no less .

Very sad that their leader should die in a tragic accident very shortly after .....

Rest in peace , Georg Haider .

[broadsword]

What shape will the paradigm be?

Lemme guess, is it like a rhomboid?

I'll go with four-sided.

[Alan75]

What shape will the paradigm be?

Lemme guess, is it like a rhomboid?

I'll go with four-sided.

It should be round or oval, thus preventing people being backed into a corner.

[Billy Castell]

That reminds me of the recent electoral success of the Austrian far right parties - a third of the vote no less .

Very sad that their leader should die in a tragic accident very shortly after .....

Rest in peace , Georg Haider .

Georg Haider was a bit of an odd one. He wasn't an out-and-out Nazi, but he was very anti-immigration and anti-EU and raised certain aspects of the Nazis employment laws. Sort of like a less scary Kilroy I suppose! There are now a couple of far right parties in Austria, and they've done well in recent elections if you put them together. That is Austria, and as my German friend Andy puts it "they live in the moutains and talk funny."

China will call in the debts the USA have when they reach a certain level of development. In the meantime, both China, and to a greater extent India will develop a massive middle and urban working class as the billions of peasants and shanty town dwellers' conditions improve. This will be very slow as the 'trickle down' of money from the rich will be slow, and there will be many millions trying to recieve it. It could take at least 50 years to become anything like a western country in terms of class structure and development, due to te numbers of penniless peasants and urban underclass. 'd say India is currently like an enlarged version of Britain in the 1820's in many respects.

[philipl]

Be careful re India. There are already 150 million Indians who enjoy a Western European middle class standard of living relative to the rest of India. I haven't seen the equivalent numbers for China but I wouldn't be surprised if there are even more there already.

Both the Rupee and the Rhimni are artificially priced very low in terms of foreign exchange but there will come a point when those currencies have to be revalued upwards dramatically against Western currencies and suddenly the picture of relative wealth will change.

As for Gerg Haider, what a nasty piece of work he was.

[dave birch]

Got to agree with Philipl here, India and China are far more advanced than you think.

Whilst in both countries there is a lot of poverty, there are many with advanced western style standards. The biggest problem they have is the pace at which they are progressing

[Billy Castell]

What will be the future for Australiasia? Other than New Zealand choking in the next 50 rugby union world cups after winning every game in the years leading up to it.

[dave birch]

Our future?

Climate change stuffing the Barrier reef

House prices continue to rise.

Become a republic.

Droughts to become more prevelent.

Farming to move north as the south east dries up

Probably move away from being a sports centric Nation (already started)

My wish would be to get rid of the States. We are the most governed nation on earth (Local/State/Federal for 21million people) We'd save a fortune in wages alone.

[ABBEY]

Our future?

Climate change stuffing the Barrier reef..........G/F DRINKS ORANGE REEF!

House prices continue to rise.......CONTINUE TO RISE? DROPPING LIKE A LEAD BALLON

Become a republic.

Droughts to become more prevelent.....YES PLEASE IF IT MEANS WARM SUMMERS INSTEAD OF THIS STUPID WET ONE WE HAD,BRING IT ON

Farming to move north as the south east dries up

Probably move away from being a sports centric Nation (already started)

My wish would be to get rid of the States. We are the most governed nation on earth (Local/State/Federal for 21million people) We'd save a fortune in wages alone.