[Archived] A Break With Tradition

[Gav]

12,449 at the morgue today.

Sheff Weds had just under 3000 there today.

So thats under 10k, and the best season since the late 60's.

Biggest and best supported club in the world by the way

[USABlue]

Gartside was one of two people who recommended Owen for the Burnley job...along with Alex McLeish.

He was asked to and did - there was no other motive.

Megson and Gartside are close. That won't change.

I have to ask though I pretty much expect you to remain mum on it. Do you reckon your mate would take it if the position was offered nicko?

[thenodrog]

I have to ask though I pretty much expect you to remain mum on it. Do you reckon your mate would take it if the position was offered nicko?

Course he would. He'd be a chump not to. BWFC or another established Prem club of modest ambition would be the natural next stepping stone in his career. A sucess there and the bigger clubs would be queuing up.

[nicko]

I have to ask though I pretty much expect you to remain mum on it. Do you reckon your mate would take it if the position was offered nicko?

There will be better jobs for him than Bolton...

[Fife Rover]

There will be better jobs for him than Bolton...

I have to agree there. Owen Coyle is a very able and upcoming young manager. He is at least as good as Dave Moyes now, and has the potential to do better. It looks like Dunfermline is a good breeding ground for future managers; Alex Ferguson, Dave Moyes, Owen Coyle are all ex-DAFC players and have gone on to be successful as managers in England. Another was Billy Davies but perhaps less successful so far, although he did well enough with PNE. Then of course there was the incomparable Jock Stein back in the '60s.

[thenodrog]

I have to agree there. Owen Coyle is a very able and upcoming young manager. He is at least as good as Dave Moyes now,

What on earth makes you say that? A promising start but he's a long way to go before he proves anything. What happens if he cannot manage Premier League players like so many....... including our last dud?

[Billy Castell]

Well, he won't have the chance to test himself at the top level at his current club.

Edit: SSN says Megson has signed a new contract.

[nicko]

Megson and Gartside are close. That won't change.

Aye...

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,1...4989844,00.html

[JAL]

There will be better jobs for him than Bolton...

Whats his coaching qualifications Nicko and who are his trusted lieutenants and their qualifications.

[Tom]

Abbey, like the proverbial stopped watch, is finally right.

Saying 'I like to see local teams do well' marks you out as a post-Sky, Nick Hornby reading, football-as-a-pastime, Arsenal admiring, Guardian reading idiot.

I'd rather remove my eyeballs with a rusty spoon than sit in the Blackburn End.

No Nay Never.

Sorry to reply to such an old comment but I have to disagree.

My Grandad was a huge huge Rover's fan, very good friends with uncle Jack back in the day, they used to go on Rovers together, however he would always want a local team to do well.

[thenodrog]

Megson and Gartside are close. That won't change.

As long as the 'Gartside' in your statement does not become 'Mrs Gartside' eh Alan?

[yoda]

Sorry to reply to such an old comment but I have to disagree.

My Grandad was a huge huge Rover's fan, very good friends with uncle Jack back in the day, they used to go on Rovers together, however he would always want a local team to do well.

Thats what the dingles are

A local team for local folk

[nicko]

Whats his coaching qualifications Nicko and who are his trusted lieutenants and their qualifications.

Owen found the time to do all of his coaching badges, including the 'Pro' one and the UEFA badge. Cancelled a holiday to go the Euro 2008 finals last summer to complete the course.

He works with Sandy Stewart, who is an old mate from his days in Scotland.

But it's not just about badges...although they do help.

As does the commitment to actually bother to take them.

If you know what I mean.

[thenodrog]

But it's not just about badges...although they do help.

As does the commitment to actually bother to take them.

If you know what I mean.

Many on here would have disagreed with you strongly last summer but I think you have a more enlightened audience now.

I guess waggy will be along to savage your opinion later Alan. He'd have been here much sooner except that we won and got out of the bottom 3 yesterday.

[dave birch]

Coming apart at the seams at the m oment, Nicko.

OC has even resorted to using the losing coaches cliches by putting it back on the people that supply the cash.

[nicko]

Coming apart at the seams at the m oment, Nicko.

OC has even resorted to using the losing coaches cliches by putting it back on the people that supply the cash.

If you knew the whole story - and the amazing restraint being shown by the manager about it - you might review that one.

[No Nay Never]

If you knew the whole story - and the amazing restraint being shown by the manager about it - you might review that one.

As much as I dislike them I know exactly where Nicko is coming from on this one, and I do have a bit of admiration for Coyle to be honest.

[thenodrog]

Well c'mon then you two..... stop prevaricating and spill the beans

[Billy Castell]

Chairman taking the money and running??

I think the wheels have been coming off and all the cup games are catching up with them.

[American]

Either that or 10k or so a match doesn't give enough revenue to spend....

[JAL]

Owen found the time to do all of his coaching badges, including the 'Pro' one and the UEFA badge. Cancelled a holiday to go the Euro 2008 finals last summer to complete the course.

He works with Sandy Stewart, who is an old mate from his days in Scotland.

But it's not just about badges...although they do help.

As does the commitment to actually bother to take them.

If you know what I mean.

Cheers Nicko seems a highly committed guy.

[iamarover]

As much as I dislike them I know exactly where Nicko is coming from on this one, and I do have a bit of admiration for Coyle to be honest.

Burnley don't own their ground, nor the valuable Gawthorpe training complex. That sits with Kilby and Flood. Kilby bailed the club out with a £3m injection a few years ago, but the ground went in consideration. He now wants that money back

http://www.burnley.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=124410

I assume his omission from Gawthorpe from the £3.2m he quotes for BFC to buy the ground back was a technical omission, but a footy journalist could quickly sort that detail. If he is keeping Gawthorpe then expect a rising of the Orcs in Dingleland.

Kilby isnt hugely rich, and Flood is likely to be cash poor. His property development business is in freefall which means he will be compelled to also look at taking cash out. His plan to turn Turf Moor into a shopping complex now looks doomed. And of course there are no Trustees to monitor what is now a private company with no duty of disclosure.

Coyle is right to be frustrated. Kilby is saying that any surplus will come out. He wants his cash back. Having generated a tidy sum through massive cup runs, that money will go to Kilby I think both Kilby and Flood are fans so Burnley don't face the horror of a Wrexham, a Weymouth or a Brighton, but all the same when the assets of a club sit with individuals who will inevitably have cash problems at some point rather than a FC board, then trouble looms.

How does this relate to a Rovers thread? Well just remember that only a Trustee doesnt want his money back at some point. Any other businessman - fan or not - will want what he paid for the Rovers back out at the earliest opportunity. And if that comes at a time of economic trauma, that may be at a very inconvenient time for the Club. As it has with Burnley who may now pass on a glorious chance to get in the Prem, and one which may not come round again.

I wouldn't lose patience with our Uncle Trustee just yet.

[JAL]

I wouldn't lose patience with our Uncle Trustee just yet.

Getting back to our trustees, I keep thinking if it was me (a trustee) would I want to back John Williams and the board after their disastrous decision making over the past year or so whilst taking the wage bill up annually by a massive 12% yet putting on a poorer show that has failed to pull in a larger audience to pay for the wage increase.

I'd be looking for some strong answers and some positive actions from these extremely WELL PAID men

[Fife Rover]

All joking and inter-club rivalry asside, I feel genuinely sorry for Burnley FC and for Owen Coyle. Burnley FC are a Lancashire club and fellow founder members of the Football League along with The Rovers, PNE and Accrington Stanley and it saddens me to think of any of them finding themselves in a position of financial danger or possible extinction (No Theno, LUFC is NOT and never will be the answer).

Owen Coyle has taken Burnley from a position of mediocrity into a promotion challenging position that just needs a bit more investment /tweaking to bring success, only to now find that all his efforts are in vain because the owners are likely to call in their debt at a crucial point in the promotion battle instead of waiting to the end of the season and seeing were they are then. How frustrating is that for OC?

[Boz]

Getting back to our trustees, I keep thinking if it was me (a trustee) would I want to back John Williams and the board after their disastrous decision making over the past year or so whilst taking the wage bill up annually by a massive 12% yet putting on a poorer show that has failed to pull in a larger audience to pay for the wage increase.

I'd be looking for some strong answers and some positive actions from these extremely WELL PAID men

The Board is run on a consensus and is certainly not a JW dictatorship. The trustees are hence duly represented in all decisions appertaining to BRFC.