[Archived] A Break With Tradition

[1864roverite]

Old on a mo burnley fans, stop rabbiting on about Jack Walker and the sugardaddy business.

Wasnt Bob Lord supposed to be the answer to your prayers then failed to cough up ?

Didnt agent Kilby promise to pump millions into your ailing club and make you self sufficient ?

I take it you conveniently forget these things or they did exactly what they said yet the club failed miserably !

There is no doubt whatsoever that Rovers benefitted from Jack Walker, he left a legacy like no other supporter. The club prospered but at the same time the club was run correctly.

Each and every one of our signings pre 1995 were sold with a huge profit, because the management in place was good management.

The club is still run superbly its just that this season we have had a blip because the senior management made a clange by appointing a muppet, a bit like Burnley when they appointed Waddle, Mullen and whoever and whoever.........

There is one startling fact that you seem never to be able to grasp. In this current age YOUR club will NEVER be as SUCCESSFUL as OUR club.

History is written and digested, the stats say we have the upper hand PERIOD. The history books report quite clear its over 30 years since Burnley managed to beat Rovers. No matter what you think, no matter what you hope those stats/records will not be changed until you meet us in the appropriate league, be it if you go up and we survive, be it we go down and you stay down or be we draw each other in a cup match.

The books will not change until the next game we play against each other. I for one LOVE playing BURNLEY. I have been to every Rovers v Burnley game since 1976/77 and have witnessed only 4 Burnley wins. The rest have been Rovers wins and comprehensive ones at that. I once also saw a 2-2 draw !

I personally dont give a hoot to anything in clarrot and poo but if there is a God he will let us play each other at least once next season then maybe we can put the argument to bed for a final time, maybe twice for good luck.

I will tell you dingles this, should you fail to go up, then wave goodbye to Mr Coyle. He will be off to pastures new in the close season, new contract or not.

[yorkyclaret]

No

Not to my knowledge

Have you seen the league table

Waddle, fair enough. Mullen Great appointment but became a victim of his own success, it got too big for him and he turned to drink (allegidly!)

Yes we will

I look forward to it

Very much doubt it, would never say never because if he was offered a 'top 6' job, I expect he would be a little tempted

[JAL]

I've got to say lets hope Burnley come up, they'll be on a crest of a wave whilst we might be on a downer, this for me is just the type of scenario needed to reawake Blackburn and its populace.

Right now Blackburn needs Burnley to feed off. But can the donkey lashing, bottling Dingles deliver, we can but pray.

Arte et labore.

[rover6]

Football question here. If you are tempted to respond with abuse - don't.

I want to know from Burnley fans why Alan Mahon wasn't getting into their team. He was Cotterill's (sp?) favourite at one stage and, although he never cut it at the top level for Rovers, he was undoubtedly a skilful player.

[yorkyclaret]

Football question here. If you are tempted to respond with abuse - don't.

I want to know from Burnley fans why Alan Mahon wasn't getting into their team. He was Cotterill's (sp?) favourite at one stage and, although he never cut it at the top level for Rovers, he was undoubtedly a skilful player.

Rover, why would any Burnley fan be tempted to respond with abuse, I've not been coming on here long so maybe you have had some of our dicks on here in the past?

Sorry but I never got around to mentioning what a sensible post you made earlier.

Anyway Mahon, I was so pleased when we got him for what I thought was a bargain price, I had seen him play for Wigan a couple of times and he ran midfield for them, was the best player on the pitch in both games.

Hard to put my finger on why he hasn't shone here, a little lightweight certainly, but seems skillfull enough, if only he would get stuck in a bit more, a couple of injuries and age catching up on him maybe?

[yorkyclaret]

Football question here. If you are tempted to respond with abuse - don't.

I want to know from Burnley fans why Alan Mahon wasn't getting into their team. He was Cotterill's (sp?) favourite at one stage and, although he never cut it at the top level for Rovers, he was undoubtedly a skilful player.

I don't really think he was one of O.C. favorites, more a case of him trying to build up his confidence.

[philipl]

I'd make the dingles marginal favourites to go up because of their cup pedigree this season would probably transfer to the play offs. They need to avoid injuries and suspensions though.

If Coyle stays, they might even do a Hull in the Premier League.

Now if this post isn't in the spirit of breaking with tradition, I don't know what is!

[Napoleon]

Good luck to Burnley, I would like to see one of the best rivalries in the country played out in the top flight. Provided we stay there of course!

[yorkyclaret]

Good luck to Burnley, I would like to see one of the best rivalries in the country played out in the top flight. Provided we stay there of course!

I hope and think you will stay up Napolian, the place is certainly yours to lose now.

Then we can go to Ewood next easter and relegate your sorry asses.

Only joking (well sort of, I'm sure you would feel the same).

Hope you're right Phil, but from what I have seen this season, Cardif are too strong for us and Reading just too damn good, we scrapped a win against them here but only down to the Beast having one of his unbeatable games.

Funny things happen in football though and O.C. does seem to put a lot of belief into the team.

We do have players coming in now and doing well when we get injuries/suspebsions so as long as we don't get 6 or 7 at once that shouldn't be a problem but to go up we need a 14 game run of good results (5 played, 6 to go and 3 playoffs) that's along run to expect us to be in form, only time will tell so no good bothering.

[longsiders1882]

Allegedly Alan Mahon liked a glass of pop and also allegedly liked decide whether he fancied playing or not (sorry gaffer I've got a tweak in my thigh etc). All rumour and conjecture of course. One thing that is without question is that in nearly 15 years as a footballer he has managed just 200 league starts and 97 sub appearances.

In terms of dominance in the last 30 years - its true, its annoying and it hurts BUT I'd give anything to play you lot each season because whether anybody else cares or not for Burnley and Blackburn there is no bigger game.

Will we go up? Its all stacked against us to be honest. We still have to play Sheff Utd and Cardiff plus a Southampton who are fighting for their lives and a resurgent Derby under Clough. Assuming we do manage top 6 we then are likely to face an excellent Reading side over 2 legs. Still, at least we are able to still dream, normally by this stage of the season it has long been over for us.

As for the Bob Lord comments - a little misguided. He promised our shareholders that under him we would never drop below division 2 (old money) and we would always make a profit. He more or less kept his word, delivered the First Division title and the best period in the history of BFC - he was not universally popular but our decline coincided with his. Kilby has put money in but we suffered badly under the ITVd scenario and frankly looking at it we seem to have expected that money not only to come in but to keep increasing. Lesson learned I hope.

As for will Coyle be off? Maybe for the right job but I hope he meant what he said about finishing the job. Time will tell.

[Fife Rover]

I wouldn't worry about Owen Coyle keaving you in the lurch Longsider; I have known him for around 20 years and he is quite simply not that kind of man. If he starts something he sees it through to conclusion.

[longsiders1882]

Cheers Fife - I have to say that is the impression he gives. Done an amazing job this season - just hope he can see us through 9 more games (or maybe win the next 6 and trouble the top 2 - well we can all dream)

[jim mk2]

I have always enjoyed the banter with Burnley fans (although there is something odd about them) and I never disliked the club itself because (and this might make me odd) besides Rovers I want all the Lancashire town teams to do well.

When we moved to Blackburn in the early 1960s Rovers, Burnley, Blackpool, Preston and Bolton were all in the old first division (Wigan were Northern Prem !) and I would love them all to be back in the top flight before I pop my socks. Same goes for United, City, Everton and Liverpool (still Lancashire clubs in my eyes), I would always support them against southern opposition.

I hope Burnley are promoted (and Rovers stay up of course) and we can show the Premier League what a real derby match is about.

[longsiders1882]

I think the problem jim is at somepoint it turned from strong rivalry to bile and hatred - I guess during the hooligan period starting in the 70's. Having grown up as a Burnley fan in the late 70's early 80's I'm always amazed when I meet guys who used to go to the other club if theirs was playing away - it seems there were 100's of people who supported Burnley went to Blackburn and vice versa - can't imagine that today.

It would be good though - and strangely as one poster suggested above it might actually just reinvigorate both sets of fans a little if there were these derbies to look forward to - aye and PNE, Blackpool etc

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

There was a lot of people who watched both teams in those days, especially when the fixtures ( and admission costs ) allowed it. I remember seeing a group of women who had handmade knitted scarves, one half blue and white the other half claret and blue with players names from both teams stitched in.

Me and my gang of pals usually went to one of the top north west matches if Rovers were away down south. You had plenty to chose from in Division one and Bury and Preston in Division two.

[SD4E]

Sam-

twice now you have posted about us "Living in the past"-

can't you see the irony that your own signature is a link to hydes consolation goal, which if i am not mistaken, was in the past?

Yorky- you are wrong my friend on the derby win count- Rovers ahead in that too.

as for the "buying the trophies jibe" from one of you, OK, lets discount the last 2 major trophies won after Jack Walker (premier league & league Cup).

History shows Rovers have won 8 major trophies, Burnley 3.

Under our shadow just about sums it up.

UTR

[jim mk2]

Having grown up as a Burnley fan in the late 70's early 80's I'm always amazed when I meet guys who used to go to the other club if theirs was playing away - it seems there were 100's of people who supported Burnley went to Blackburn and vice versa - can't imagine that today.

When Rovers were in decline in the late 1960s and early 1970s we used to go to Turf Moor when Rovers were away from home in order to watch first division football.

Although we could never quite bring ourselves to cheer Burnley (polite applause was OK) players such as O'Neill, Poninter, Casper, Thomas, Dobson, Coates, James etc were always worth going to see.

In our relegation season of 1965-66 Rovers won 4-1 at Turf totally unexpectedly (Mike England playing up front in an emergency scored 2 goals I think) and I cannot recall any nastiness among the fans before or after the match.

[thenodrog]

Having grown up as a Burnley fan in the late 70's early 80's I'm always amazed when I meet guys who used to go to the other club if theirs was playing away - it seems there were 100's of people who supported Burnley went to Blackburn and vice versa -can't imagine that today.

1st Div football on offer at most of the NW clubs, (my Father used to support BRFC yet he and his mates went to PNE when BRFC were away simply to watch Tom Finney). Maximum wage abolished leading to us all playing rubbish football in the lower divisions and most importantly football on the tele every week being the biggest nails in that particular coffin.

[thenodrog]

In our relegation season of 1965-66 Rovers won 4-1 at Turf totally unexpectedly (Mike England playing up front in an emergency scored 2 goals I think) and I cannot recall any nastiness among the fans before or after the match.

And there was NO segregation of fans whatsoever in those days. I guess a lot on here will not even be able to imagine that. None of the whistle blowing lynch mob either that we have today yelling and screaming for the stewards to come and eject some harmless and innocent bloke who just happens to have procured a ticket in the wrong end.

btw Nastiness? There was quite a bit on the pitch if I rem correctly!

[den]

When Rovers were in decline in the late 1960s and early 1970s we used to go to Turf Moor when Rovers were away from home in order to watch first division football.

Although we could never quite bring ourselves to cheer Burnley (polite applause was OK) players such as O'Neill, Poninter, Casper, Thomas, Dobson, Coates, James etc were always worth going to see.

In our relegation season of 1965-66 Rovers won 4-1 at Turf totally unexpectedly (Mike England playing up front in an emergency scored 2 goals I think) and I cannot recall any nastiness among the fans before or after the match.

I used to watch that Burnley side as well Jim. They were an excellent team, some superb individuals. I also never missed a game at Deepdale when PNE got to the cup final in '64. Saw Howard Kendall make his debut against Nottingham Forest in the FA cup. He won the game with a 40 yarder. Those days I went to Rovers one Saturday and then North End, with a PNE mate, the other. We could afford to do both then.

As for the Rovers winning 4-1 at the Turf, I was there that evening as well. What a performance. Mike England was phenomenal. I was behind the goals, - no segregation as Theno said and no trouble either. Strange, but the Burnley fans don't ever seem to remember that game. . In fact, seeing that some of our Burnley friends who come on here want to tell us how Burnley were dominant in the 50's and 60's, maybe they will recall for us, some of their famous victories over Rovers?

The hooliganism between the Burnley and rovers fans emerged at the same time that it did everywhere else, the late sixties, early seventies. The only place we seem to get trouble nowadays, is in the lower leagues and Scotland. You can safely walk around most Prem grounds with colours on.

[longsiders1882]

I can't den as I wasn't around - my comments re being dominant relate to overall success rather than derby success - a point somewhat vindicated by the posts about going to watch Burnley in the 60's to see first division football.

Somebody pointed out your trophy wins - and as I said all pre WWI (until Jack), our league titles were post WWI.

All ancient history though - and we need to reset that bloomin clock.

[den]

I can't den as I wasn't around - my comments re being dominant relate to overall success rather than derby success - a point somewhat vindicated by the posts about going to watch Burnley in the 60's to see first division football.

Somebody pointed out your trophy wins - and as I said all pre WWI (until Jack), our league titles were post WWI.

All ancient history though - and we need to reset that bloomin clock.

I was just teasing Longsiders. There was first division football at both Burnley and Blackburn in the 60's, with both clubs having outstanding sides. Unfortunately the abolition of the maximum wage killed us both.

Oh, by the way - we did win the full members cup in 1987, when we took 30000 fans to Wembley. You needed to be a full member of the football league to enter that competition, which, if I remember right - you weren't.

[JAL]

I used to watch that Burnley side as well Jim. They were an excellent team, some superb individuals. I also never missed a game at Deepdale when PNE got to the cup final in '64. Saw Howard Kendall make his debut against Nottingham Forest in the FA cup. He won the game with a 40 yarder. Those days I went to Rovers one Saturday and then North End, with a PNE mate, the other. We could afford to do both then.

As for the Rovers winning 4-1 at the Turf, I was there that evening as well. What a performance. Mike England was phenomenal. I was behind the goals, - no segregation as Theno said and no trouble either. Strange, but the Burnley fans don't ever seem to remember that game. . In fact, seeing that some of our Burnley friends who come on here want to tell us how Burnley were dominant in the 50's and 60's, maybe they will recall for us, some of their famous victories over Rovers?

The hooliganism between the Burnley and rovers fans emerged at the same time that it did everywhere else, the late sixties, early seventies. The only place we seem to get trouble nowadays, is in the lower leagues and Scotland. You can safely walk around most Prem grounds with colours on.

When I was a kid me and a few mates who I can't recollect for the life of me used to catch the train and go to Burnley now and again when they played in what would now be the top division in the early seventies (73 ish) Derby County was one game, Liverpool another and Leicester City stand out.

I think one or two of the Blackburn lads of that time maintained their support for Burnley till this day, Ste Ellison being one and a numpty called Brooks is another one I can recall.

Then in the mid seventies Rovers played Burnley at Ewood it was all out war. I'd never seen anything like it though you sensed something was building up to it. After the game as the police stopped the Burnley fans infront of the mill were Macdonalds and Aldi car park is now Rovers fans on the otherside of the road threw a bottle at the mill wall with the Burnley fans underneath the broken glass cascades down on the Burnley fans the Rovers fans charge across the road towards the Burnley fans, the Burnley fans break away from the police on horses (who've stopped them from going any further) up Livesey Branch road, sadly as they try to get back to Mill Hill station they are chased one by one you see Burnley fans sparked out cold on the floor no one attending to them just everyone chasing after the next poor hapless fan from the baying mob.

Its etched in my mind i'll never forget the scenes sadly those innocent days of going to one anothers games is a thing of the past.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Somebody pointed out your trophy wins - and as I said all pre WWI (until Jack), our league titles were post WWI.

1928 cup final victory over Huddersfield.You cant change history longsiders and yes it does count.We are VERY proud of ours past and present,the envy of many......we simply are THE most successful town club in the UK.

You should feel privileged to call Rovers your local rivals

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I used to watch that Burnley side as well Jim. They were an excellent team, some superb individuals. I also never missed a game at Deepdale when PNE got to the cup final in '64. Saw Howard Kendall make his debut against Nottingham Forest in the FA cup. He won the game with a 40 yarder. Those days I went to Rovers one Saturday and then North End, with a PNE mate, the other. We could afford to do both then.

As for the Rovers winning 4-1 at the Turf, I was there that evening as well. What a performance. Mike England was phenomenal. I was behind the goals, - no segregation as Theno said and no trouble either. Strange, but the Burnley fans don't ever seem to remember that game. . In fact, seeing that some of our Burnley friends who come on here want to tell us how Burnley were dominant in the 50's and 60's, maybe they will recall for us, some of their famous victories over Rovers?

The hooliganism between the Burnley and rovers fans emerged at the same time that it did everywhere else, the late sixties, early seventies. The only place we seem to get trouble nowadays, is in the lower leagues and Scotland. You can safely walk around most Prem grounds with colours on.

Your memory is letting you down Den, the 4-1 was a Saturday afternoon game.