[Archived] Paul Ince

[Craigman]

No, not at all.

Cheers Alan, it was just a thought.

[j166429]

Is it possible, that this was a planted leak, so there would not be any demonstrations or placards/chants for Ince's head at todays game ?

If at 4.30pm we're losing and shipping goals like we have done all season, I think that the fans will make themselves heard even if it was a planted leak

[nicko]

Cheers Alan, it was just a thought.

I would never normally reveal a contact or information given.

However this 'secret' information was the basis of the story - and that is why I am happy to relay it here.

Nobody was more surprised than me to get a call from the Mirror with the info.

I won't name the specific names involved in the leak because that is too sensitive.

But I have no qualms about giving you the outline details.

[The Prof.]

No, not at all.

Then we look to be approaching a former manager we were delirious about fobbing off to the Barcodes - I'm confused and bewildered.

Lets see how long he last with this squad - they're pretty street tough and won't take any - shaved heads to make them tougher - stuff. Might see Souey with a Baldy this time!

This is madness.

Thanks though Alan!

[vintageadidas]

It is very interesting. I still hold Souness in high regard, because we had very good times with him and he always talks highly about the club in interviews. He has also saved other teams from the drop when brought in at half way through a season.

I think a Joe Kinnear role maybe perfect and then we go for another manager at the end of the season.

BFS - i think the Facebook thing has ruined it for us. I could pretty much predict the BFS era and it would be interesting. Top ten finishes, a fit team, players playing for the shirt and the odd big scalp a season whilst watching boring football.

I have seen no passion from the players or staff since Ince arrived.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

All 30ish and unlikely to improve or increase in value. There lies the problem with Souness - he's always bought success but at a heck of a price when the cash ran out.

I did think he was a bob on appointment for a lazy underachieving squad though..

Yes granted but he already had the base of some outstanding young players who needed experience players to supplement.

Before Souness arrived, players such as Duff and Dunn were being shown the door by Kidd. He shook Gillespie up and revived a player only going backwards.

At the end, he lost the plot but he could just be kick up the backside this squad needs.

[imy9]

In recent times Souness is our most successful manager after King Kenny, some people have obviously lost sight of that:

Brad, Tugay, Emerton, MGP, Neill, Berg, Berkovic (for a season) a rejuvinated Jansen, Dunn, Duff, it was a top side.

Near the end Souness had mass fall outs but I for one can see added benefits of Souness and Tugay link up til the end of the season, this gives more options at the end of the season to take the club forward.

I am however disappointed that this decision has made BEFORE the Liverpool game, this is a disgrace, we have a manager in charge, sack him and then start discussing with Sunderland officials, not before!

[Guest Kamy100]

The way things are going at rovers I am inclined to believe this, this whole affair has been badly handled by the club over the last 2 weeks. This week JW should have come out and supported ince, or sacked him. Instead we have this farce before a very important match. If we lose today there are going to be ugly scenes which could have been avoided.

[Jan]

I would never normally reveal a contact or information given.

However this 'secret' information was the basis of the story - and that is why I am happy to relay it here.

Nobody was more surprised than me to get a call from the Mirror with the info.

I won't name the specific names involved in the leak because that is too sensitive.

But I have no qualms about giving you the outline details.

I couldn't in any conscience ever go and support a team managed by Graeme Souness again. I've seen the ones who were devastated when he left are back in full throat. Remember, this is a man who left us with PAUL DICKOV as our main striker, who sold Damen Duff and replaced him 2 years later (which makes Ince's 6 months without a right winger look like a vaguely organsed plan) and who at the end was hated by the entire playing staff - except those who'd recently fallen off a motor bike and whose head wasn't quite all there.

I don't believe the player we have this time would benefit in any way from Souness' "man management skills", at least not the ones who are any good, and we'd be back to seeing some absolute dollopers on the pitch. And don't forget the training methods- playing 5 a side with a 50+year old manager.

Right now, Sam Allardyce is looking like a god- which could, of course be John Williams plan.

Anyway, I'll just enjoy not wasting £60+ on diesel every week.

[Craigman]

You can still get 2/1 for Ince to be the next manager to leave his post in the Premiership. Might be worth a little bet.

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/englis...r-to-leave-post

[imy9]

Playing devils advocate here but IF we beat Liverpool today would that change the boards mind Nicko or is Ince off either way?

[Paul]

The way things are going at rovers I am inclined to believe this, this whole affair has been badly handled by the club over the last 2 weeks. This week JW should have come out and supported ince, or sacked him.

True the club should have been making statements but equally the club should be sounding out replacements before making a decision. The real villan in this overnight story is the "senior Sunderland official" who can't keep his mouth shut or has a liking for brown envelopes. If this bloke is a senior Sunderland official with such a loose mouth one has to question how or why he ever reached his position?

Instead we have this farce before a very important match. If we lose today there are going to be ugly scenes which could have been avoided.

There were always going to be ugly scenes today. Members of this board have been winding it up all week, that has little to do with the club board

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Is it this type of stuff? Has he lost the plot altogether?

Ince is insane,totally lost the plot.A partnership of Souey and Tugay would be manna from heaven compared to Ince.

I'm really looking forward to the game more than I have for quite some time!

In all honesty,Ince should have been sacked this week before the game to stop and fan protest which WILL happen after the game.

[nicko]

Playing devils advocate here but IF we beat Liverpool today would that change the boards mind Nicko or is Ince off either way?

I really don't know what happens now - it's too early today yet. Still trying to get my head round what happened yesterday.

[dave birch]

It's very prophetic that i've got Andrea Bocelli and Sarah Brightman singing "Time to say goodbye" on at the moment.

Do I want Ince to go, yes, but with a little bit of sadness, it would have been good to see a bright new manager start his Premier league career at Ewood.

Do I put any blame at JW's feet, no. He had to give it a go, and, by the looks of things, is doing the business at the appropriate time, though to my mind, he's three games too late, but what do I know.

Souness, was he good for the Rovers, most certainly, upto his use by date. 99% of managers have one, it's just that most of them, and their CEO's don't want to/can't recognise when this arrives.

Should Souness be invited back? No, never ever backtrack, look forward, look for the progressive, innovative.

Sam? This one is hard. His track record is known. He got some "names" to turn up at the breezeblock, didn't he? Would he/could he change his style of play?

Who else? I'm stuffed if I know anyone that would move at the moment.

[Mozzer]

i think sam allardyce would turn us down-after all we did turn him down in the summer-so he will want his own back...

looks like it could be souness and tugay-altho i think tugay still has some playing days left in him..

[dave birch]

Ince is insane,totally lost the plot.A partnership of Souey and Tugay would be manna from heaven compared to Ince.

I'm really looking forward to the game more than I have for quite some time!

Would you say something like that directly to Paul Ince with the obvious venom in your tone? I know what I would do.

This is the kind of comment that "Paul" has been highlighting, and it is plainly wrong. You call a bloke "insane" because he stuffs up in your eyes? What happens if he goes elswhere and makes a great success, what happens if he stays and turns it all around?

I think the bloke should go, but I don't call him "insane"

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

I would say it to his face Dave Birch. I am sick and tired of so-called managers like Ince blaming all and sundry for thier short comings.

He has mouthed off all season through the papers amd in my opinion has made himself,AND the club look stupid.

He has failed to learn from his repeated mistakes and nothing I see will change until WE,the fans force the change.

What would you do Dave btw?.......................

[trs]

I would never normally reveal a contact or information given.

However this 'secret' information was the basis of the story - and that is why I am happy to relay it here.

Nobody was more surprised than me to get a call from the Mirror with the info.

I won't name the specific names involved in the leak because that is too sensitive.

But I have no qualms about giving you the outline details.

Always under the impression that you were always "close" to Souey, is that still the case.

Apoligies if I'm off the mark.

[ABBEY]

It is very interesting. I still hold Souness in high regard, because we had very good times with him and he always talks highly about the club in interviews. He has also saved other teams from the drop when brought in at half way through a season.

I think a Joe Kinnear role maybe perfect and then we go for another manager at the end of the season.

BFS - i think the Facebook thing has ruined it for us. I could pretty much predict the BFS era and it would be interesting. Top ten finishes, a fit team, players playing for the shirt and the odd big scalp a season whilst watching boring football.

I have seen no passion from the players or staff since Ince arrived.

if jw chose not to appoint the walrus because of facebook then he must be a soft arse vole as anyone being influenced by the net is too easly manipulated and its pathetic......not been online since utd game...as he been sacked

[yoda]

if jw chose not to appoint the walrus because of facebook then he must be a soft arse vole as anyone being influenced by the net is too easly manipulated and its pathetic......not been online since utd game...as he been sacked

Not yet ABBEY, but in some tabliods it was reported that a replacement(or two) was being lined up!

[dave birch]

I would say it to his face Dave Birch. I am sick and tired of so-called managers like Ince blaming all and sundry for thier short comings.

He has mouthed off all season through the papers amd in my opinion has made himself,AND the club look stupid.

And I'd guarantee one of two things: A lawsuit, or a decking, probably the latter.

If you know so much, whay aren't you working in football? Why aren't you the rookie manager taking his first steps in the big league?

I know why I'm not, it's because I know stuff all about football management. I complain about tactics, substitutions et al, but would I offer to change places? Nah, I'd be found out after two minutes, and I'd guarantee you would be too. When you've been there, done that and earned the t shirt, then you might, just might, be in a position to call someone "insane".

[Amo]

As I reported yesterday The Mirror is doing everything possible to put a positive spin on Ince's situation. Today is another article from Ince saying people only wanted him (and Keane) to fail because of their Man. Utd background (is it me or is the Guv'nor a bit of a crybaby?). Then Lawro is in the football pull-out saying Ince should be given more time because Southgate initially went 11 games without a win when he was 'Boro boss.

[my_name_is_Earl]

And I'd guarantee one of two things: A lawsuit, or a decking, probably the latter.

If you know so much, whay aren't you working in football? Why aren't you the rookie manager taking his first steps in the big league?

I know why I'm not, it's because I know stuff all about football management. I complain about tactics, substitutions et al, but would I offer to change places? Nah, I'd be found out after two minutes, and I'd guarantee you would be too. When you've been there, done that and earned the t shirt, then you might, just might, be in a position to call someone "insane".

Sorry dave, don't agree with that at all. Ince is only a rookie manager due to his popularity as a player. Do you think if he hadn't been involved in football before management that he would have been given an opportunity at Maccs in the first place? That comment is therefore redundant.

I agree Ince isn't insane simply for not being able to get results, however, the truth of the matter is that there are better managers out there so the powers that be need to make a change. For me, Allarydyce would be the man as he has the ability to get the players up to the required level of fitness. Hughes work on the fitness side of the game was remarkable (although questionnable to some extent in his latter days) and was one of the reasons we were able to compete so high up in the league. Levels of fitness are of primary importance in this league and our current squad look as though they've been for a few before they turn up for a game.

[Mr Creosote]

Allardyce appears to be the sort of bloke who bears grudges. As I remember it was him not Rovers who pulled out of a proposed move to Ewood as a result of fan discontent. I dont think he'll forget that in a hurry and I get the impression he'd enjoy snubbing us safe in the knowledge that the Premier League merry-go-round will provide a better offer sooner rather than later. If he did come I, personally, would not exactly be jumping for joy but I can see the merits in appointing him.

As far as Souness goes, whilst I wanted him out at the end, I think history will judge him as an excellent Rovers boss and I will always be gratefull for the 5-0 stuffing of those inbred *****. We could do a lot worse.