[Archived] Paul Ince

[ABBEY]

Stop pushing at the back!!!

WHATS THATS RUNNING DOWN THE STEPS

[nicko]

I think the 2 points that need to be raised here (Nicko?) are:

If Souness comes in, would he be given a long-term contract, or short-term style till the end of the season ala Kinnear? NO IDEA, BUT I SUSPECT SHORT-TERM.

Would he be given a transfer fund to spend in January? (bearing in mind not spending could relegate us?) I THINK THE CLUB NEEDS TO SPEND...BUT I DON'T THINK THERE IS MUCH CASH BY THE SOUNDS OF IT.

One additional question i would like answered is whether we are just looking at Big Sam and Souness/Tugay additionally, or are we looking at further managers at all? (Surely this is something you would know Nicko?) THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS THAT CAME OUT YESTERDAY...AS I SAY, STILL STUNNED AT HOW THIS LEAKED.

[dave birch]

WHATS THATS RUNNING DOWN THE STEPS

Bottle for Abs

[ABBEY]

i was more of a pocket lad

[MCMC1875]

WHATS THATS RUNNING DOWN THE STEPS

You can shove yer Darwen Tower up yer @rse....

Padiham Blue where is he?.....

[den]

Nicko, just clear this one up please. Today you tell us that Souness was stunned when you asked him about the story and wouldn't talk about it, yet in your article HERE, you say that Souness would say yes to the rovers?

[joey_big_nose]

If he was good, why did he get 50 caps to King Kenny's 100? He only turned up to about 15 of the 50 caps. Most of the rest he stood in the centre circle. I can remember shouting at the tv aged little (can't remember how old- about 10) "why is he just standing there- why doesn't he help?"

Look, I understand that you are a celtic fan and you don't like Souness. He is a polarising fella, Im not a huge fan myself.

However it is a bit ludicrous what you are saying. He is one of the greatest Scottish footballers of the last 30 years. THat is irrefutably the case, to try and say anything else is plain daft. As a manager he has a mixed record but he did win us some silverware - itself a feat that is unlikely to be repeated in the near future - and get us very close to qualifying for the CL. He also bought the two greatest Rovers servants of the post Prem winning period - Tugay and Brad.

It would lend your arguments more credibility if you recognised some of the basic facts. There is a lot wrong with him, but obviously he has qualities as well.

[RibbleValleyRover]

I honestly do feel sorry for Ince, he is clearly finding it hard at this level and it’s becoming evident that he got the job too soon in his career. It wouldn’t surprise me if in the future he becomes a solid premier league manager.

It sounded like Ince was totally surprised when he was offered the job. If you were offered a chance to manage in the best league in the world, would you honestly turn it down?

The board has to take some blame over this whole affair, they took a gamble and it backfired.

[dave birch]

I honestly do feel sorry for Ince, he is clearly finding it hard at this level and it’s becoming evident that he got the job too soon in his career. It wouldn’t surprise me if in the future he becomes a solid premier league manager.

It sounded like Ince was totally surprised when he was offered the job. If you were offered a chance to manage in the best league in the world, would you honestly turn it down?

The board has to take some blame over this whole affair, they took a gamble and it backfired.

Another level headed summation of the situation at hand.

Yep there's a problem, yep the board stuffed up, happens every day in the business world.

[MCMC1875]

Another level headed summation of the situation at hand.

Yep there's a problem, yep the board stuffed up, happens every day in the business world.

....and DB, no room for sentiment in business. The needs of the club are paramount.

[dave birch]

....and DB, no room for sentiment in business. The needs of the club are paramount.

Indeed, MCMC, and so they should be, it is a business, after all.

[Parsonblue]

If he was good, why did he get 50 caps to King Kenny's 100? He only turned up to about 15 of the 50 caps. Most of the rest he stood in the centre circle. I can remember shouting at the tv aged little (can't remember how old- about 10) "why is he just standing there- why doesn't he help?"

Jan, I often agree with what you write but you are wrong about Souness as a player. Those who played with and against him regard him as one of the all-time great midfield players. He had skill, power, aggression and a thunderbolt shot. He was a brilliant player. You can't compare him to Kenny because they were different and operated in different areas of the pitch. Similarly, you can't compare them as managers. Kenny worked with Ray Harford in a true partnership. Kenny did the figurehead bit and attracted players to the club and did the inspirational teamtalks while Ray did the tactics and the day to day coaching. Souness had more involvement with the coaching and tactics.

In the short term, if there is to be a change, then Souness would be a decent short term option. We need someone who can step in right now. My first choice would be Sam Allardyce but if he rejected it then Souness and Tugay would be an acceptable short term solution.

[Amo]

I honestly do feel sorry for Ince, he is clearly finding it hard at this level and it’s becoming evident that he got the job too soon in his career. It wouldn’t surprise me if in the future he becomes a solid premier league manager.

It sounded like Ince was totally surprised when he was offered the job. If you were offered a chance to manage in the best league in the world, would you honestly turn it down?

The board has to take some blame over this whole affair, they took a gamble and it backfired.

I don't think Ince has shown anything to suggest he can handle PL management anytime soon. Maybe he'll return to the lower leagues and wise-up. I think the ideal job for him would be to take a Championship up to the PL. I think the board were incredibly negligent to throw a man from the lower leagues (without the official qualifications) at the helm of a top-7 team.

The Hughes appointment worked because the team was deflated, understrength, and needed a kick up the ass. Hughes and the Taffia, having worked at the highest level, were able to do that and impose themselves on the team for the years that followed. Ince didn't have that pedigree or class to sustain that success.

[MCMC1875]

Looks like a strange afternoon is on the cards......

[dave birch]

Looks like a strange afternoon is on the cards......

A 2-0 win to the rovers then, eh!

[MCMC1875]

A 2-0 win to the rovers then, eh!

Would be keen to see the Turkish Delight gracing the park..............

[LeChuck]

It sounded like Ince was totally surprised when he was offered the job. If you were offered a chance to manage in the best league in the world, would you honestly turn it down?

No, I wouldn't turn it down.

However I, like everyone else on here, would surround myself with qualified and experienced men at this level. I wouldn't bring in a load of my hopeless and unqualified mates thinking we could all do the job.

Ince has dug his own grave, I don't have an ounce of sympathy. West Ham appointed someone equally inexperienced in Zola, but compensated for this by adding Steve Clarke as his assistant. If we'd have done something similar we might not be in this mess.

[RibbleValleyRover]

I think the ideal job for him would be to take a Championship up to the PL. I think the board were incredibly negligent to throw a man from the lower leagues (without the official qualifications) at the helm of a top-7 team.

I agree

Just watching football focus and Eamon Dunphy was talking about Keane. He said something along the lines of a lot of great players due to their stature in the game have been offered managerial jobs that they simply aren't equipped to handle. I think this is pretty true and that this could be applied to Ince as well.

[T4E]

Would be keen to see the Turkish Delight gracing the park..............

I wonder whether Ince will play Tugay, bearing in mind reports that Tugay is likely to benefit from Ince's sacking.....

[leftfooter]

Of course you're entitled to an opinion. I've expressed mine, I want Ince to go. The difference between me and you is that I don't call him "insane".

Yep, he might have made some questionable decisions, yep, he may have done this and that, but to say he is "insane" is plainly wrong, wrong, wrong.

Don't you see the difference btween abuse and criticism?

Insane? Certainly not.

Temporarily unhinged? Maybe.

Bordering on paranoia? Even paranoids have enemies, but Ince is spectacularly alienating himself from the fans and the media by such egotistical outbursts.

[mjs]

Nicko, just clear this one up please. Today you tell us that Souness was stunned when you asked him about the story and wouldn't talk about it, yet in your article HERE, you say that Souness would say yes to the rovers?

Seems to me that Souness is well aware of what is going in, but just 'stunned' by how and when the story has got out.

[Sysagent]

Well this is being handled all very "professionally" by the Rover's board isn't it!

Are Rovers to become the new Newcastle as the laughing stock of the Premier League?

What gets me throughout all this sorry episode is the immense silence and lack of representation from the Board (read John Williams) as to what their thoughts or opinions are on the current manager, there has not been one ounce of support as far as I can recall, I honestly think the writing has been on wall for Mr Ince for a lot longer than we imagine.

As for Souness... Mmm I really don't know what to make of that, I am always of the opinion of moving forwards and never backwards in life, this rumour (that is all it is at the moment) just shows to me that the Rover's board are really now:-

a) Either losing the plot

Beginning to realise that through the lack of funding in the past few years has made Blackburn Rovers quite an unattractive club to any real good managers

c) Cannot handle crisis's of this magnitude and have a limited scope / imagination of how to handle it

Sam Allardyce, well he will go to the highest bidder I reckon, he has never struck me as a man of any principles.

The other thing is if (and that is a BIG if) Souness is coming what will this mean for the "original" players who served under him the last time he was in charge, when it was all going so horribly wrong, will they be prepared to put up with him again for a second time?

Worrying and interesting times for us Rovers fans I think.

Note: All the above is purely conjecture remember as none of what is being reported is based on fact is it and I think we all have to bear this in mind.

[alexanders]

Insane? Certainly not.

Temporarily unhinged? Maybe.

Bordering on paranoia? Even paranoids have enemies, but Ince is spectacularly alienating himself from the fans and the media by such egotistical outbursts.

And Gordon was right. Ince is was and is an ego. He hasn't matured.

[gillibrand]

I agree

Just watching football focus and Eamon Dunphy was talking about Keane and he said something along the lines of a lot of great players due to their stature in the game have been offered managerial jobs that they simply aren't equipped to handle. I think this is pretty true and that this could be applied to Ince as well.

Didn't a lot of Rovers fans want Shearer to manage us, was he offered the job? What experience had he got in management.

[mjs]

Hearing Ince will be out of the building tonight.

Board in talks yesterday morning.

If that is the case, then it would be pointless and detrimental to the team to have Ince in charge today.