[Archived] Paul Ince

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Thank god for the board gobshytes I say.

Listening to the support Ince crap from the Rovers hating media and still from some head up your arse types on here it makes you wonder if there is an agenda to ruin our club.

[Paul Mellelieu]

We competed yesterday is a manner we haven't this season, especially against the top teams. But we did very little with the ball, routinely giving it away. But at least the team was balanced, and despite an ineffective Liverpool frontline the defence was solid enough for most part.

Agree that BM should have been brought on earlier, because the RSC/Debs frontline was toothless.

I thought the team looked like it was playing for its own collective pride, as much as PI.

Good reaction from the fans, and its worth remembering the small numbers at OT on Wednesday.

Pundit support for Ince shouldn't surprise anyone. Very rarely do ex-pros call for the a sacking, and few of the so-called experts actually know how bad we've been this season.

[Darth Paul]

Great post Tris...ultimately if he goes he goes, I am just glad that the majority of the fans are seemingly behind him, if yesterdays crowd support is anything to go by...

The suggestion that there is an agenda to ruin our club by backing him is laughable...the fact is most of the Ince out Club can't handle the fact that not every one see things the same way...

[cravenblue]

Great post Tris...ultimately if he goes he goes, I am just glad that the majority of the fans are seemingly behind him, if yesterdays crowd support is anything to go by...

The suggestion that there is an agenda to ruin our club by backing him is laughable...the fact is most of the Ince out Club can't handle the fact that not every one see things the same way...

I would say the majority of fans were behind the team NOT ince

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

So because we competed for probably the first time in 16 games that vilifies the give Ince more time brigade?...frightening stuff this it really is.

If we still cant manage a win against Wigan then there for the grace of god go we.

Can I just make the point I thought the fans supported the TEAM yesterday,the support for Ince I thought was muted at best.

[Mc Love]

Anyone see Ince's interview on Sky? He keeps looking to the right, like Mathias is there with an autocue telling him what to say

[whittle blue]

Questions I've been asking myself-

Was yesterdays spirited performance for Paul Ince or because the players know he's going?

Why the sudden appearance of Vogel? He should have been there weeks ago.

Did Ince select the team?

to all those wanting to give Ince more time may I remind you....

Last 9 Prem.- Won 0, Drawn 2(thanks to last gasp goals), Lost 7 = 2 points from 27

[Darth Paul]

I can only go off my own opinion and that of the many people I spoke to before, during and after the game, and the overwhelming view is that Ince still has our support.

I appreciate some people on this board find that difficult to comprehend, and seem to take offence at the notion that not all of us agree with their views, but facts are facts.

Ince probably will go, and as much as I would like to see the guy turn things around, all that really matters is that we stay up this season, regardless of who is in charge.

The point is that all of the fans I mentioned above are as desperate as any of the doom and gloom merchants on here for Rovers to stay up, probably more so, but people reading this board need to understand that the fans opinion is split on Ince, as much as they may find such contradictions to their views difficult to swallow.

[JAL]

Lets face facts.

Team play 4-4-2 and players in right positions the team has better balance. Hardly surprising.

The main sad fact is:-

NO MATTER HOW HARD WE TRY, WE ARE NOT BLOODY GOOD ENOUGH

and I don't know if changing the manager will cahnge anything

Totally agree, the main issue on a new manager is CAN HE BRING BETTER PLAYERS TO Ewood than what Ince has been able to do.

Its the players who win games and signing your Andrews, Fowlers and Simpsons etc., is of a lower league standard.

[martonrover]

Great post Tris...ultimately if he goes he goes, I am just glad that the majority of the fans are seemingly behind him, if yesterdays crowd support is anything to go by...

The suggestion that there is an agenda to ruin our club by backing him is laughable...the fact is most of the Ince out Club can't handle the fact that not every one see things the same way...

The fans were great yesterday but that was about supporting the team.

Also,the fact that Liverpool didn't score an early goal helped to defuse the situation.

[T4E]

I just found this in The People and when I googled Sunday People the thrid link I came to was this one Kiss N Sell Nice to see the paper has standards.

I'd like to hear Alan Nixon justify slaughtering Ince like this. All these little things written as fact, lets have some proof not tittle tattle or is Kiss N Sell in full flood around Ewood?

I do not know whether these stories are true - but I do know that they are not something that has just come up recently or been fabricated to sell papers this week. These are stories that I heard back in the Summer, and I'm pretty sure a few more on here will do the same.

It will be very interesting to see Nicko taking questions on these (if he does) - but your final point Paul is the biggest concern of the whole thing - just how many moles are there in the camp?! Whilst there's no doubt in my mind that Ince has made mistakes, it sounds as though they've just about all made it to the public domain somehow. I hope JW spends some time trying to find out how that has happened.

[Wiggy]

Questions I've been asking myself-

Was yesterdays spirited performance for Paul Ince or because the players know he's going?

Why the sudden appearance of Vogel? He should have been there weeks ago.

Did Ince select the team?

to all those wanting to give Ince more time may I remind you....

Last 9 Prem.- Won 0, Drawn 2(thanks to last gasp goals), Lost 7 = 2 points from 27

Yes the Vogel thing was odd. We've been struggling for weeks to put a decent midfield together yet an international, with pedigree, hasn't even been given a place on the bench. Why has Incey given him a chance now?

Another 4 games with that return of points and relegation is more or less assured.

[T4E]

Yeh! And while we're at it bring in Owen Coyle and 'im from Preston, Mike Newell and Henning Berg as "tea lady".

I'm not entirely sure how that makes sense in response to what I said? Are you suggesting that all of those are as unlikely as Grayson taking our Assistant Managers job? I'd say he's unlikely too, but there is a chance if he knew he was being groomed for the big job.

You asked for a plan, I gave you one. Atleast extend the debate rather than trying to stunt it by being belittling.

[gillibrand]

I do not know whether these stories are true - but I do know that they are not something that has just come up recently or been fabricated to sell papers this week. These are stories that I heard back in the Summer, and I'm pretty sure a few more on here will do the same.

It will be very interesting to see Nicko taking questions on these (if he does) - but your final point Paul is the biggest concern of the whole thing - just how many moles are there in the camp?! Whilst there's no doubt in my mind that Ince has made mistakes, it sounds as though they've just about all made it to the public domain somehow. I hope JW spends some time trying to find out how that has happened.

I would prefer JW to spend his time getting us a new manager before it is a lost cause!

[T4E]

I agree - but there's no point leaving a rotten apple in the barrel to infect the rest of them. That would undermine anyone, doesn't matter who the boss is.

[martonrover]

Good call about 'Larry',Tugay4England.

I'm convinced he'd have been a better choice than Ince.

Blackpool were going nowhere until he took over.

[JAL]

I just found this in The People and when I googled Sunday People the thrid link I came to was this one Kiss N Sell Nice to see the paper has standards.

I'd like to hear Alan Nixon justify slaughtering Ince like this. All these little things written as fact, lets have some proof not tittle tattle or is Kiss N Sell in full flood around Ewood?

I'll go with nicko's take on this ...get the clown out now its been a distastrous appointment by Blackburn Rovers Football club.

[The Prof.]

Questions I've been asking myself-

Was yesterdays spirited performance for Paul Ince or because the players know he's going?

Why the sudden appearance of Vogel? He should have been there weeks ago.

Did Ince select the team?

to all those wanting to give Ince more time may I remind you....

Last 9 Prem.- Won 0, Drawn 2(thanks to last gasp goals), Lost 7 = 2 points from 27

The thought of Souness or Allardyce coming would probably make them get their fingers out!

Good call about 'Larry',Tugay4England.

I'm convinced he'd have been a better choice than Ince.

Blackpool were going nowhere until he took over.

No thanks - they didn't get moving until Tony 'Blackburn' Parkes arrived.

[whittle blue]

If the stories are true about all the discontent within, then there's no point discussing whether Ince should be given more time.

The outcome should be obvious.

[gillibrand]

How many games do we realistically have to save our Premiership ex instance?

[my_name_is_Earl]

I can't believe how one performance with a bit of guts can change people's opinions on what is going on at Rovers. To be honest, I just want the team to stay up regardless of who is manager. However, Ince is still clearly out of his depth.

Sub-standard signings, poor tactics, a poor backroom staff and poor team selection are his main downfalls. Lets not forget everyone that we have still not won in ten league games - 10! During this period there has been no indication that things will improve.

Whilst I agree that yesterday's performance was more like the rovers of yesteryear, I don't think that it was for the manager. I think the players felt that they owed us a performance as all those who went to OT will testify, it was a complete shocker.

To be honest, reading between the lines of everything that has been published and said, I think the boards decision has already been made and that Ince will be sacked. I honestly felt that he was the right appointment at the time but he has had more than enough time regardless of what's said in the media and ten league games without a win (contributed with the very poor displays) is simply the end of the road. Any other decision made by the board would be toothless.

[The Prof.]

I just found this in The People and when I googled Sunday People the thrid link I came to was this one Kiss N Sell Nice to see the paper has standards.

I'd like to hear Alan Nixon justify slaughtering Ince like this. All these little things written as fact, lets have some proof not tittle tattle or is Kiss N Sell in full flood around Ewood?

Some questions that article begs.

1. Will any new manager slacken the trustees tight grip on JW's cash? - Come on Fred - let em have a wedge to attract the right manager and keep them up.

2. So there have been bust ups? - Always got the impression from Nicko that it was nothing more than settling in.

3. Will we be having a sale regardless of who comes in? More scary stuff.

4. Jolly's instead of training! Kids in! - really?

5. Why wait 48 hours?

We need a keeper and 2 creative players or we're stuffed whoever comes.

[T4E]

No thanks - they didn't get moving until Tony 'Blackburn' Parkes arrived.

I can't claim to be an expert on Blackpool, but according to Wiki Parkes went there in December 2005, a month after Grayson too over as Caretaker Manager from Hendry. It's been a joint effort there at the very least - and it shows he was clever enough to surround himself with the right staff, unlike some people!

My point was that the club needs stability - this will only come if we stop allowing incoming managers to bring the entire staff with them and start taking charge of employing the backroom staff ourselves.

[Scotty]

I do not know whether these stories are true - but I do know that they are not something that has just come up recently or been fabricated to sell papers this week. These are stories that I heard back in the Summer, and I'm pretty sure a few more on here will do the same.

It will be very interesting to see Nicko taking questions on these (if he does) - but your final point Paul is the biggest concern of the whole thing - just how many moles are there in the camp?! Whilst there's no doubt in my mind that Ince has made mistakes, it sounds as though they've just about all made it to the public domain somehow. I hope JW spends some time trying to find out how that has happened.

You heard them in the summer from the same person who wrote the article in The People. As far as I'm aware, these stories don't seem to have come from any other source.

Either Nicko is right and the board are acting in a very underhand and unprofessional manner, or a tabloid journalist is desperately trying to stir things up, cause unrest, and generally undermining Blackburn Rovers. If it's the former my opinion of JW and the board will have gown down a great deal, if it's the latter then I feel hope some posters opinions of Nicko will change.

[nicko]

The People story is a result of several months of gleaning what has been going on.

You may recall I turned down the info given to me by someone at the club and let the Daily Mail run the early 'disharmony' stories because I felt it was [a] too early and was coming from chatter by unhappy people.

However there has been trouble brewing again lately. This is known to your club which is why in recent weeks there have been questions asked from the top about what is going on - and going wrong.

I was happy to stay out of it and not write anything because it was up to the club to act.

When calls were made about potential new managers at the end of last week the cat was out of the bag. I know of a second club - apart from Sunderland - who had the exact same call. But I stayed quiet on that. The minute I knew other papers were onto it I had to run the Mirror story on Saturday.

However the point is that other managers are being checked out, with the Man U game probably the final straw in terms of performance, but other issues also mounting up like transfer targets and the standard of coaching.

Also, because several people from this board have been good enough and concerned enough to keep me in touch with other confidential side-issues, I feel it was right to give you this background here as well as in print.

I'm not going into any more details.

If the club wants to carry through what it started on Thursday and Friday, then they should do so.

Fast.

You heard them in the summer from the same person who wrote the article in The People. As far as I'm aware, these stories don't seem to have come from any other source.

You heard because it was in the Daily Mail.

I know where the stories came from, but turned it down.

Keep up.