[Archived] Paul Ince

[PAFELL]

They are colleagues working for the same rag ffs Pafell! There's more chance of Glenn Miller landing in France tomorrow than of Nicko savaging Holt in print!

That may well be the case - they have to both respect each other jobs even if they do not agree with each other. but that doesn't mean that it should not be done on here or elsewhere. But the plain fact is that Paul Ince should be sacked because he is not able to do the job and it is not about colour.

[den]

The fans haven't turned Den. Ewood Park is a much better barometer than the internet.

You think the majority of fans are happy with Ince Tris?

[roverfanuk]

In brief, a list of names was put in about two weeks ago...club not sure they could afford it...Trustees obviously consulted and no money forthcoming just now.

That could always change, but that is where it stands at this moment.

Could the amount of money that becomes available result from what manager we have in place.

Im getting the distinct feeling that the reason the board is hesitant to spend right now is because of who we have incharge..?

Correct me if im wrong?

Im thinking, if we have/had Ince incharge, our available transfer budget would be around 5-6 million. If we have Big Sam or some other more experienced manager in charge, he would have 10-12 million?

[James No. 7]

Sorry den, it's a lot more than just this particular story. Nicko started off with a non-story about non attendance on the Welsh FA coaching course which got everyone agitated even before Ince got here, and he hasn't written a positive word about Ince since.

I am sure Nicko stated that Ince deserved more time when he returned (back to the message board)? It might have been after Sunderland when he said that, but with the search function disabled, it is damn near impossible to find out exactly what he said (word for word) and when.

(By the way, this is a good opportunity to remind the administrator that my question regarding what can be done to enable the search function remains unanswered.)

[Tris]

Hold on a sec, Holt is saying that Ince is getting a lot of flack because of the colour of his skin, he is essentially playing the racism card for Ince's troubles.

Maybe its just me but i haven't come across any posts by Rovers fans that have said Ince should be sacked because he is black. I've also checked out a few other forums and haven't seen any of this racial hatred Holt claims is there.

Holt is completley out of line with his comments and is very far from the truth. The truth is we are 19th in the league and haven't won for 10 games, thats why Ince is under pressure. The rubbish that Holt spouts is complete nonsense.

But some of what has been written on here - and clearly read by Holt because there ain't any other fans MB out there worth reading - is clearly offensive towards Paul Ince. Read back just a few pages on this thread and you'll find the words "pr!ck", "gimp", "clown", "idiot" and "t@sser" all used.

What Holt has done is to put his own interpretation on what's driving all that - and he is bang out of order to do so.

But the fuel for this particular fire is on this very thread I'm afraid. He says so twice in the Sky clip.

[PAFELL]

Sorry den, it's a lot more than just this particular story. Nicko started off with a non-story about non attendance on the Welsh FA coaching course which got everyone agitated even before Ince got here, and he hasn't written a positive word about Ince since.

We heard from him all summer about how Warnock was leaving for Newcastle etc. but stories such as Grella signing and RSC signing a new contract with the Club seemed to completely evade his radar.

And even now he still persists in banging on about "history" between Friedel and Ince as if it was Ince's fault Friedel left, which as Gordon points out is complete nonsense.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I do believe Nicko did say give the man a chance first, when many were complaigning about Ince during the close season.

[Parsonblue]

The fans haven't turned Den. Ewood Park is a much better barometer than the internet.

The tone of this messageboard is giving ammunition to idiots like Holt to paint an unfair picture of us as Rovers fans, on a much more public stage.

Unfortunately, that tone is being set by a few dozen keyboard jockeys, not the 20,000 fans on Ewood Park yesterday.

I gave the players 100% support yesterday. However, that is not the same as giving the manager support. Do you really believe that the supporters are 100% behind the manager? I've supported this club for 47 years and I honestly believe that we will be relegated unless a change is made. Paul Ince wasn't my choice as a manager but I was happy to give him a chance to prove he was capable of managing the club. I began to waver after the defeat against Sunderland and the long journeys back from Tottenham and Portsmouth gave me time to reflect on whether he was the right man for the job. After Wednesday night's embarrassment at Old Trafford I came to the conclusion that he was not the right man for the job at this particular moment in time. I am not saying that he will never be a decent Premiership manager but just that at this moment the Rovers need an experienced man at the helm. With little or no money available in January we need a manager who can organize the present squad and get that extra 10% out of them.

However, what I don't agree with is this strategy of giving him 'one' or 'two' more games to see if results improve. This is a 'death by 1000 cuts' approach. If we lose to Wigan but beat Stoke do we keep him for two more games? If we lose to Sunderland but draw with City is he to be kept on? In all honesty how can you expect to guy to manage in those circumstances? This is not being fair to the manager, the players or the supporters.

Although, as I have said, I believe it's time for a change I really felt sorry for Paul Ince yesterday. Several newspapers were predicting he would lose his job and yet there was nothing but silence from Ewood Park. How can we expect him to prepare a team in those circumstances?

The powers that be should know by now if they have confidence in him to guide us away from the relegation zone. If they do then they should come out and publically back him. If not then they should make an immediate change. The indecision is doing nothing but harm to the club.

[my_name_is_Earl]

But some of what has been written on here - and clearly read by Holt because there ain't any other fans MB out there worth reading - is clearly offensive towards Paul Ince. Read back just a few pages on this thread and you'll find the words "pr!ck", "gimp", "clown", "idiot" and "t@sser" all used.

What Holt has done is to put his own interpretation on what's driving all that - and he is bang out of order to do so.

But the fuel for this particular fire is on this very thread I'm afraid. He says so twice in the Sky clip.

Even if some people have made such comments, what have those comments got to do with the colour of Ince's skin?

[RevidgeBlue]

Although, as I have said, I believe it's time for a change I really felt sorry for Paul Ince yesterday. Several newspapers were predicting he would lose his job and yet there was nothing but silence from Ewood Park. How can we expect him to prepare a team in those circumstances?

The powers that be should know by now if they have confidence in him to guide us away from the relegation zone. If they do then they should come out and publically back him. If not then they should make an immediate change. The indecision is doing nothing but harm to the club.

Spot on.

If the Board are planning a change it should be done immediately. If for any reason they aren't planning on doing so immediately they should say so and take some of the the pressure off Ince's back.

[Tris]

I was under the impression Tris that the fans were happy with the commitment and dedication that the players showed after such a shambolic performance against united and not Paul Ince. Unfortunately some fans feel that Ince does have a future here which is terribly naive given the circumstances. What I can't understand though is why you want to hang on to a manager who can't win a match rather than make the change now and give us a fighting chance of staying up?

I haven't said that anywhere.

You think the majority of fans are happy with Ince Tris?

I was waiting for the evidence to the contrary. When the 3rd goal went in, or at the final whistle - a clear message to JW and the board that it's time for Ince to go. Nothing.

Where was Preston Blue with his 5pm demo?? Where was Athlete with his banners??

It's two whole weeks until the next chance to get the message across.

[my_name_is_Earl]

I haven't said that anywhere.

Fair enough, you haven't and I apologise for anticipating your views. However, I don't see why you have a problem with

some fans who don't believe Ince is right for our club? Or am I clutching at straws again?

[Wiggy]

Spot on.

If the Board are planning a change it should be done immediately. If for any reason they aren't planning on doing so immediately they should say so and take some of the the pressure off Ince's back.

The silence is deafening which only leads you to believe a change is imminent. Perhaps they are preparing a Spurs style statement with a sacking and appointment announced at the same time.

[thenodrog]

Even if some people have made such comments, what have those comments got to do with the colour of Ince's skin?

None whatsoever and Tris is clutching at straws here. Most of those terms and more will have been levelled at Allardyce and Maclaren too. How racist is that?

[den]

I was waiting for the evidence to the contrary. When the 3rd goal went in, or at the final whistle - a clear message to JW and the board that it's time for Ince to go. Nothing.

Where was Preston Blue with his 5pm demo?? Where was Athlete with his banners??

It's two whole weeks until the next chance to get the message across.

That's not what I asked though. I asked whether you believe that the majority of fans are in favour of keeping Ince. I don't think they are, and I base that on posts and polls on here [i know you don't recognise these], posts on the official m/b, posts in the LT, the starting of Anti Ince chants at Old Trafford and by simply talking to fellow rovers fans. That's my "evidence" Tris.

[my_name_is_Earl]

The silence is deafening which only leads you to believe a change is imminent. Perhaps they are preparing a Spurs style statement with a sacking and appointment announced at the same time.

I was actually thinking the same thing wiggy. I can understand the club not wishing to discuss Ince's future if he was going to get sacked but if they back him, why not let the fans know especially after everything thats been said in the media since late last week?

I personally think they're waiting to line someone up before they sack him.

[RevidgeBlue]

That's not what I asked though. I asked whether you believe that the majority of fans are in favour of keeping Ince. I don't think they are, and I base that on posts and polls on here [i know you don't recognise these], posts on the official m/b, posts in the LT, the starting of Anti Ince chants at Old Trafford and by simply talking to fellow rovers fans. That's my "evidence" Tris.

I think the majority of fans who actually attend the games would be happy with keeping Ince if he could put a couple of wins on the board Den.

Which answers the ridiculous allegations made by Holt.

Heart ruling head I'd rather Ince stayed and turned the situation round. Head ruling heart I think it's looking less and less likely he'd do so.

I'd rather stick with Ince than revert to the busted flush with dodgy taste in agent friends that is Souness though.

[thenodrog]

I was waiting for the evidence to the contrary. When the 3rd goal went in, or at the final whistle - a clear message to JW and the board that it's time for Ince to go. Nothing.

Where was Preston Blue with his 5pm demo?? Where was Athlete with his banners??

It's two whole weeks until the next chance to get the message across.

Spin it how you want Tris, take away the stupid recent racist claptrap, take away the opinionated and agenda'd viewpoints that abound.... and I include both you and I in this as well as just about every other supporter to a greater or lesser extent ...... but the inescapable fact is that the Premier League table is still the only real and impartial judge of a manager and his teams worth Tris. So do we ignore the trend lines that are tangible or simply sit idly by under the sword waiting for the thread to snap?

[novella]

This is completely hypothetical...

what would people's opinions on Owen Coyle being considered as manager?

[FourLaneBlue]

Great post Tris...ultimately if he goes he goes, I am just glad that the majority of the fans are seemingly behind him, if yesterdays crowd support is anything to go by...

The suggestion that there is an agenda to ruin our club by backing him is laughable...the fact is most of the Ince out Club can't handle the fact that not every one see things the same way...

Many fans on both sides of the issue can't handle the fact that not every one see things the same way.

As your post above proves.

[roverfanuk]

This is completely hypothetical...

what would people's opinions on Owen Coyle being considered as manager?

I suggested this the other day on here, and had my throat near enough torn out in disgust, so good luck!

[Jan]

This is completely hypothetical...

what would people's opinions on Owen Coyle being considered as manager?

Better than Ince or Souness. Not sure about allardyce. Don't know a thing about his backroom team, but from what I remember of him as a player, he strikes me as one who'd do things the right way. Which I believe he has. Nicko- does OC have his badges?

[novella]

I suggested this the other day on here, and had my throat near enough torn out in disgust, so good luck!

thanks

[FourLaneBlue]

whoops - double post

[RevidgeBlue]

This is completely hypothetical...

what would people's opinions on Owen Coyle being considered as manager?

IF we had a vacancy he'd be a feasible contender BUT I believe it would be a very similar gamble to the one we took when we appointed Ince.

It was only last season we were laughing at him and saying he was doing a worse job than Steve Cotterill.

[thenodrog]

I'd rather stick with Ince than revert to the busted flush with dodgy taste in agent friends that is Souness though.

I don't want Souness around and imo Tugay is just a sop to appease the masses'. Tugay doesn't train, smokes for fun so why would anybody think that he will make a good assistant manager? If there is any truth in this rumour then Tugay is the spoonful of sugar that might be used to make us stomach the return of GS.