[Archived] Paul Ince

[Amo]

I would choose Allardyce over Souness/Tugay as well, but right now either would be a welcome change.

[roversmum]

Already been mentioned:BFS and Souey/Tugay partnership.

BTW if we get Allardyce will he be known as Big Friendly Sam?

Not if I catch him spitting his chewing gum out on the badge on the ground by the dugouts again

[Amo]

Not if I catch him spitting his chewing gum out on the badge on the ground by the dugouts again

You've been warned, Sam.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

My heart likes the idea of Souey returning but my head thinks it would not be a wise move.

Souey was very much old school when it came to training etc, so if this has been a problem for the players, I cannot see it being solved.

If Williams brought Souness back - other than for the short term - it would be an unbelievable appointment - as this was the same manager that JW said couldn't handle a club with no money - and we needed a manager who could bring through youth players and improve on what we had. This was also, I believe, the reason for appointing Ince - his ability to improve what we had and bring through youth players. I think Ince was a manager for the long term - I think the board would have settled for a lower mid-table finish in his first season - bet they couldn't have imagined what has happened.

For me it has to be BFS - don't like his style of football - but he does get the best out of players and is used to working on a tight budget. Other than that - maybe Billic (did anyone pick him up ?) - though he would still be a gamble.

[Hi Mack]

If Williams brought Souness back - other than for the short term - it would be an unbelievable appointment - as this was the same manager that JW said couldn't handle a club with no money - and we needed a manager who could bring through youth players and improve on what we had. This was also, I believe, the reason for appointing Ince - his ability to improve what we had and bring through youth players. I think Ince was a manager for the long term - I think the board would have settled for a lower mid-table finish in his first season - bet they couldn't have imagined what has happened.

For me it has to be BFS - don't like his style of football - but he does get the best out of players and is used to working on a tight budget. Other than that - maybe Billic (did anyone pick him up ?) - though he would still be a gamble.

Billic is not going to come to us.....also an element of risk there not prem proven!

Hope BFS's family are settled in this area and doesnt fancy a move to the north east!

[Sandiway Blue]

Billic is not going to come to us.....also an element of risk there not prem proven!

Hope BFS's family are settled in this area and doesnt fancy a move to the north east!

Good point,i hadn`t thought about that.Hopefully it will go in our favour.

[imy9]

Good point,i hadn`t thought about that.Hopefully it will go in our favour.

How would Sunderland fans feel getting a manager who in the eyes of the Geordies was wrecking their club?

I think sunderland will go with a foreign appointment so Sam is ours... if we can entice him.

[Hi Mack]

Good point,i hadn`t thought about that.Hopefully it will go in our favour.

Im sure hes got a relatively young family so.....you never know!

Tomorrow is a big day JW has to come out and back or sack Ince!

One or the other has to happen it cant be good for Ince or the players wrapped in uncertainty!

[John]

The Blackburn board has not given up on him and appears unlikely to do so before the trip to Wigan Athletic next Saturday

[BuckyRover]

One last roll of the dice. If we lose or draw (even if we "deserved" to win), Ince has to go.

If we win then we take it one game at a time.

Challenging times indeed....

[Blueandwhitemike]

Allardyce and Souness have both been linked to dodgy stuff so i don't want them.

Ince has been unlucky, very unlucky and he has made some mistakes, the biggest imo not replacing Bentley.

The injuries have been hard all around the team but particularly in central midfield, where we have been with out our three first choice players. This has killed the team, without

Grella covering the back four they have poor. With out Dunn giving the team its creative spark, there is none. Add poor Steven Reid to that and we are down to fourth fifth sixth seventh choices who aren't good enough to do it on their own. Toogs is fourth choice, and doing a pretty good job at it, but he 4th choice for a reason, hence the two goals conceded after his legs have started to tire. Andrews is a fifth choice and therefore plays like one, some lovely passes though sometimes he gets left behind a lot and I forget he is there. Mokoena, I actually think with a couple of weeks fitness training I could do a better job, but well done to for getting so far on such little ability.

Any club outside of the top 4 would struggle with these injuries particularly when concentrated on one position.

Everyone know we need a quick right winger, he messed that up on the summer let's pray that he puts that terrible mistake right in January.

He may or may not have made other mistake, as mentioned in Nicko's article, John Williams will know the truth and he will act upon that. I have to believe he knows what he is doing as he has access to a lot more information than most of us.

I also believe Ince must have come off very well in the interviews to get the job, intelligent with good ideas players he liked who would come with him. If he didn't surely JW wouldn't have hired him. So I don't believe any of this he can't read, he's thick nonsense.

If all these negatives are true, and JW must know if they are or not, and the players are not with him then he should be sacked.

But if they are not true and the likes of Ryan Nelsen Stevie Warnock talking up the squad spirit aren't lying, then I believe Ince deserves more time.

I thought the team played with a lot of spirit and determination against Portsmouth, poorly against MU but as well as they could against Liverpoo

Our salvation lies in the return of Grella and Dunn to our midfield and a new good right winger.

That happening is more important to me than changing manager.

So I guess I am Pro Ince

[ABBEY]

One last roll of the dice. If we lose or draw (even if we "deserved" to win), Ince has to go.

If we win then we take it one game at a time.

Challenging times indeed....

but ince is the man you said if we go down to take us back up as it would be ok if we went down.....why one last roll of the dice? why does he need to go????? wheres your blind faith gone??

[roverfanuk]

The Blackburn board has not given up on him and appears unlikely to do so before the trip to Wigan Athletic next Saturday

I'm sorry, but what difference is it going to make if we scrape a draw or win against Wigan. It's the big games we need to be drawing or winning, not the games against the likes of Wigan.

The number of goals conceeded is a direct example of why Ince should leave.

This whole process is starting to look like one big joke!

[jodrell]

He might ask us to call him Uncle Sam....

Uncle Sam's Red White And Blue Army And the Pentagon take over the club

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Allardyce and Souness have both been linked to dodgy stuff so i don't want them.

Ince has been unlucky, very unlucky and he has made some mistakes, the biggest imo not replacing Bentley.

The injuries have been hard all around the team but particularly in central midfield, where we have been with out our three first choice players. This has killed the team, without

Grella covering the back four they have poor. With out Dunn giving the team its creative spark, there is none. Add poor Steven Reid to that and we are down to fourth fifth sixth seventh choices who aren't good enough to do it on their own. Toogs is fourth choice, and doing a pretty good job at it, but he 4th choice for a reason, hence the two goals conceded after his legs have started to tire. Andrews is a fifth choice and therefore plays like one, some lovely passes though sometimes he gets left behind a lot and I forget he is there. Mokoena, I actually think with a couple of weeks fitness training I could do a better job, but well done to for getting so far on such little ability.

Any club outside of the top 4 would struggle with these injuries particularly when concentrated on one position.

Everyone know we need a quick right winger, he messed that up on the summer let's pray that he puts that terrible mistake right in January.

He may or may not have made other mistake, as mentioned in Nicko's article, John Williams will know the truth and he will act upon that. I have to believe he knows what he is doing as he has access to a lot more information than most of us.

I also believe Ince must have come off very well in the interviews to get the job, intelligent with good ideas players he liked who would come with him. If he didn't surely JW wouldn't have hired him. So I don't believe any of this he can't read, he's thick nonsense.

If all these negatives are true, and JW must know if they are or not, and the players are not with him then he should be sacked.

But if they are not true and the likes of Ryan Nelsen Stevie Warnock talking up the squad spirit aren't lying, then I believe Ince deserves more time.

I thought the team played with a lot of spirit and determination against Portsmouth, poorly against MU but as well as they could against Liverpoo

Our salvation lies in the return of Grella and Dunn to our midfield and a new good right winger.

That happening is more important to me than changing manager.

So I guess I am Pro Ince

I agree with most of what you have said - I do think he has been unlucky with injuries - and I think he has been unlucky with players making stupid mistakes and being punished for them.

However - I struggle with the lack of organisation in the side - by now he should have stamped his style of play - and we should be seeing some form of team pattern. Defensively it just hasn't happened. This may be down to the coaches - but ultimately these are his people - so if they aren't delivering (which they aren't) he should either replace them or go himself.

You do also make a good point about what the players actually think of Ince - not the general muck raking in the press. If JW thinks Ince still has the backing of the players - then we could see him around until at least the Wigan match (no matter what the Mirror thinks).

[Paul Mellelieu]

Nicko is correct that Ince's treatment here has been wrong, quite frankly a disgrace, which most Rovers' fans would not entertain. An outsider reading some of the crap here might make unfavourable conclusions about our supporters.

[BuckyRover]

but ince is the man you said if we go down to take us back up as it would be ok if we went down.....why one last roll of the dice? why does he need to go????? wheres your blind faith gone??

Blind faith has been replaced with reality.

I was speaking to a few people on a at work the other day about Ince and they were all firmly in the "give him a chance" camp and didn't believe that we could be thinking about sacking him so soon into his Premiership career. I thought people would be more critical to be honest.

People change their minds Abbey, just because you never gave Ince a chance doesn't mean I am going to be singing his praises regardless of what happens. We need results, we haven't been getting them.

I hope he lasts to the Wigan game, we can see if the players really do want him as the manager.

[ABBEY]

i gave him to the bolton game i think you will find and then it was real....

[Hi Mack]

Enough is enough! Ince has made too many mistakes!

Mathais and Knox have to soldier the blame but Ince appointed them

so a whole change is needed and let the new manager spend in january rather than

let Ince cock up again in january and leave the new manager with Inces buys!

I care for BRFC thats it!its not personal with Ince, hes simply just not good enough..............yet!

We just dont have time to let him develop!

[Hughesy]

Announcement to follow on Monday....

Just to let you know Ince is about to be sacked from what Iv heard, There was an emergency meeting this aft an announcement will be made tomorrow. Its official and it is for sure I cant reveal the source as he wants to remain unknown.

Woooooo Hoooooooo! Time for a new manager now.

[Hughesy]

He's gone, decided today at emergency meeting.

[dave birch]

If you're correct, Hughsey, then I'll breath a sigh of relief. Glad that this sorry mess is over.

In some ways, I feel sorry for Ince, it could have been so good for him, but the results speak for themselves, and, in a business where you live and die on results, there was no other alternative.

[roverfanuk]

He's gone, decided today at emergency meeting.

What where did you hear this?! :lol:

[joey_big_nose]

However - I struggle with the lack of organisation in the side - by now he should have stamped his style of play - and we should be seeing some form of team pattern. Defensively it just hasn't happened. This may be down to the coaches - but ultimately these are his people - so if they aren't delivering (which they aren't) he should either replace them or go himself.

Yup, I agree with that. Ince's big failing has been a lack of organisationon all levels. The coaches were rushed appointments. He has tried to sort out tactics on a game by game basis rather than having a clear idea before we set out. He does not seem to put much emphasis on being a solid and organised team first and then looking to develop flair. His approach has essentiall seems ad hoc.

Managers who have done well at clubs like ours with little money are ones who have had a definitive plan and slowly developed it over time - Hughes, BFS, Moyes. Thats why I think BFS is a no brainer choice. He will know exactly what he wants and immediately impose a system and structure to the team where everyone knows their job and defensive stability will be paramount.

Souness could potentially do that, but he is also a bit of a "take it as it comes" type who may not grasp the rudder quick enough, especially if Tugay's ideas have to be accomodated also. On top of that he also has a nasty habit of letting his ego interfere with football decisions(the whole business with letting Cole go for free and brigning in Matteo et al was mental, despite him obviously before that being a very good Rovers manager). We need authority, discipline, tactical awareness, and an ability to mould the available resources into a unit. Allardyce offers that. With Souness there are more question marks.

The only issue with Allardyce for me is how dependent on Phil Brown was BFS when he was successful? Without him is he a different proposition?

[RibbleValleyRover]

At the end of the day a manager lives and dies by his results.

I'd like to wish Paul Ince all the best for the future. I think he got a job at this level too soon but i believe that he could one day have a future as a premier league manager. I can't blame Ince for taking the job, who wouldn't? John Williams and the board have to take a huge amount of the blame for our current plight.