[Archived] Paul Ince

[EwoodGlory]

With the words that haven't been said being "You're sacked"

and the time now being 1527 p.m. on Monday the conclusion being that that nicko and Hughes's source were completely wrong?

Have you even read Nickos posts?

It says they might need a replacement in before it's announced.

[den]

Den - John Williams says "It could have gone one of two ways on Saturday but the fans were fantastic and really got behind the team"

I think he's going to base his actions on what happens at Ewood Park rather than a tiny fraction of fans who press a "sack" button on an internet poll. 300 votes out of 3,000 members doesn't come close to speaking for 20,000 fans who totally failed to vociferously can the manager after a 3-1 defeat.

C'mon Tris! Of course these polls on here can't be taken as an absolute representation of the fans feelings, but 320 out of 430 people who voted, think he's had enough time and should be sacked. A mere 21% on here think he should be backed. Not absolute, but a bloody good pointer though.

You think Ince is doing a good job?

[RevidgeBlue]

Have you even read Nickos posts?

He said on Saturday in the Mirror Ince would be replaced after the Liverpool game regardless of the result and again yesterday in the People Ince would be replaced within 48 hours.

I'm not the one coming out with these claims. (Ahead of a crucial game I might add)

[G Somerset Rover]

Nickos story was obviosuly rubbish. Ince deserves to have the next 5 games. Hes been here 5 mins. The treatment of him by certain people is a disgrace. Give him 5 games, if we get a few wins our situation will look a lot brighter. If we dont get enough wins from the next 5 then i agree he has to go.

5 games?! And be sunk by the New Year already? No thanks. Flippin heck, and I thought one game was pushing it.

[RevidgeBlue]

C'mon Tris! Of course these polls on here can't be taken as an absolute representation of the fans feelings, but 320 out of 430 people who voted, think he's had enough time and should be sacked. A mere 21% on here think he should be backed. Not absolute, but a bloody good pointer though.

Strangely that 21 % figure has risen from about 10% after the Portsmouth game.

Paul must have a big family.

[novella]

He said on Saturday in the Mirror Ince would be replaced after the Liverpool game regardless of the result and again yesterday in the People Ince would be replaced within 48 hours.

I'm not the one coming out with these claims. (Ahead of a crucial game I might add)

Nicko did say 48 hours so you could take that up until tomorrow at a stretch really. it's pointless sacking him without a replacement anyway.

obviously a replacement hasnt been found yet.

[den]

Strangely that 21 % figure has risen from about 10% after the Portsmouth game.

Paul must have a big family.

OK Rev. You believe he has a great backing from the fans and board, - and should carry on regardless. Do you believe that, or are you just arguing for the sake of it?

[Iceman]

Yes islander i was very against ince, and by looking at the table in 19th i was right to voice my concerns. What has made our players crap,after doing so well under Hughes? Ince has made serious selection and foirmation errors,which has cost us dearly. How can you keep on making silly team selections,see that its not working but persist with it in the hope it works out. Strange choices made,strange signings made and no motivation from him. We all know gamst has been struggling, so why persist with him. Grella injured,our best defensive midfielder ie vogel not even considered. Its stupid things like that,that will cost him his job. If he was a real manager he would know what left and right was.

[nicko]

He said on Saturday in the Mirror Ince would be replaced after the Liverpool game regardless of the result and again yesterday in the People Ince would be replaced within 48 hours.

I'm not the one coming out with these claims. (Ahead of a crucial game I might add)

And I wasn't the one who was making the calls that prompted the first story.

Anyway, you all might as well chill out for the rest of the night.

Think you will find there is a board meeting tomorrow.

[RevidgeBlue]

OK Rev. You believe he has a great backing from the fans and board, - and should carry on regardless. Do you believe that, or are you just arguing for the sake of it?

Not what I said at all. It was a feeble attempt at humour.

Are you just arguing for the sake of it?

[yoda]

And I wasn't the one who was making the calls that prompted the first story.

Anyway, you all might as well chill out for the rest of the night.

Think you will find there is a board meeting tomorrow.

that will get the keyboards going!

[G Somerset Rover]

Think you will find there is a board meeting tomorrow.

Tomorrow's the day he goes then? Don't see why we couldn't have had it today, which would have gave us an extra day to prepare with or without Paul at the helm.

[Tris]

C'mon Tris! Of course these polls on here can't be taken as an absolute representation of the fans feelings, but 320 out of 430 people who voted, think he's had enough time and should be sacked. A mere 21% on here think he should be backed. Not absolute, but a bloody good pointer though.

You think Ince is doing a good job?

What I think doesn't matter (and I've already said I will always back the manager who's sitting in the seat - if Ince is sat there v Wigan or if Souness or Allardyce is sat there doesn't matter - any and each of the three needs supporting).

All I'm saying is that it appears, from his LET comment, that JW was braced for a clear steer from the crowd on Saturday. It appears (according to Nicko) that work had already been done to prepare for a change.

The clear steer from the crowd didn't come (LeC and T4E - not even after the final whistle) even though reading this MB would have led anyone to believe that it would be crystal clear. Even you yourself Den said that Rovers fans know how to get rid of a manager, and have done so before. Well - we've obviously forgotten.

Even if just half of the home crowd had wanted to get the manager sacked - enough noise could have been made to bring that about. The two supposed candidates aren't doing anything else - the bullet could have been fired any time in the last 48 hours and the new man in Brockhall this morning preparing for Wigan.

[Amo]

Anyone see the incredibly biased article in the Mirror Sport? Not Oliver Holt, I'm afraid, but someone saying the pressure on Ince is uncalled for considering:

* His recent unbalanced fixture list consisting of Arsenal, Man. Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, and Villa.

* Injuries to key players.

* And only having £2m to spend when he took the job.

What a load of ######. I think unless you're a fan of the club, you don't really understand what's going on here and what the consequences will be if we play the waiting game. After all, what skin off the journo's nose is it if you're proven wrong and Rovers are relegated under Ince?

[robborover]

What has made our players crap,after doing so well under Hughes? Ince has made serious selection and foirmation errors,which has cost us dearly.

They mostly over-performed and Hughes got the best out of them. However, we were poor for a lot of last season apart from RSC and Bentley's contributions.

[RevidgeBlue]

Somebody replied to you the other day about this and (as far as I'm aware) you didn't reply, although with the search function down I could well be wrong about that.

The jist of it was that the fans were supporting the team (i.e. the players) and not Ince. It seems a shame that supporting the players on the field seems to being twisted into a 'fans support Ince' angle.

It's irrelevant whether the fans were backing ince or the team.

The fact is many on here were gleefully predicting scenes of carnage, chants and demonstrations against Ince and the Board.

Which simply didn't happen.

In fact in adversity the atmosphere at Ewood was better than for a very long time. I hope it's the same story against Wigan whoever is in charge. Surely another defeat would spell the end for Ince regardless of the fans' reaction.

[yoda]

They mostly over-performed and Hughes got the best out of them. However, we were poor for a lot of last season apart from RSC and Bentley's contributions.

How can you over perform as a player?

you play to the best of your ability or something less if not motivated or up for the challenge

[islander200]

Yes islander i was very against ince, and by looking at the table in 19th i was right to voice my concerns. What has made our players crap,after doing so well under Hughes? Ince has made serious selection and foirmation errors,which has cost us dearly. How can you keep on making silly team selections,see that its not working but persist with it in the hope it works out. Strange choices made,strange signings made and no motivation from him. We all know gamst has been struggling, so why persist with him. Grella injured,our best defensive midfielder ie vogel not even considered. Its stupid things like that,that will cost him his job. If he was a real manager he would know what left and right was.

Nelson not the same since injury,mcarthy and pederson were crap last season aswell,bentley and friedal jumped ship,savage gone.Bentley set up majority of our goals,and before you sk why wasnt bentley replaced,the board dont seem to be willing to spend big so can you blame ince for that?The one creative player we have dunn gets injured after a man of the match performance,i suppose you will also blam ince for this?two question why were you so against ince frm the start and who did yu want to get the job?

[RevidgeBlue]

How can you over perform as a player?

you play to the best of your ability or something less if not motivated or up for the challenge

Roque can't seem to hit a cow's arse with a banjo from five yards out this season.

Is that because he's not motivated?

[BuckyRover]

Not necessarily.

Fans can be "too close" and make irrational decisions.

For example, Martin O'Neill played Luke Young (a right back) at left back yesterday, when Ince did the same (Warnock) he was derided. There is nothing crazy about playing a left back at right back, except on here that was another nail in Ince's coffin.

Also we fail to consider that people who are angry and want a change of manager, are more likely to vote in polls and more likely to log on to the Internet to voice their opinion. People who are ambivalent are not likely to go around voting in polls.

That is why this or any messageboard is not a valid measure of support.

[robborover]

Roque can't seem to hit a cow's arse with a banjo from five yards out this season.

Is that because he's not motivated?

He wasn't motivated at Munich either

[islander200]

Anyone see the incredibly biased article in the Mirror Sport? Not Oliver Holt, I'm afraid, but someone saying the pressure on Ince is uncalled for considering:

* His recent unbalanced fixture list consisting of Arsenal, Man. Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, and Villa.

* Injuries to key players.

* And only having £2m to spend when he took the job.

What a load of ######. I think unless you're a fan of the club, you don't really understand what's going on here and what the consequences will be if we play the waiting game. After all, what skin off the journo's nose is it if you're proven wrong and Rovers are relegated under Ince?

they are all valid points,sunderland spent 30 million this summer are two points ahea of blackburn andif keane did not walk away he would not have been sacked yet

[nicko]

It appears (according to Nicko) that work had already been done to prepare for a change.

Thanks for the name check. But I would remind you that the Sunderland leak did not come to me...and was carried by four and possibly five papers.

The other call was known to me but remained confidential - and will continue to do so.

But a man of your intelligence would know that two identical calls on the same subject, mentioning the same two names, was a little more than a coincidence.

[T4E]

For example, Martin O'Neill played Luke Young (a right back) at left back yesterday, when Ince did the same (Warnock) he was derided. There is nothing crazy about playing a left back at right back, except on here that was another nail in Ince's coffin.

When you do that to accomodate a player as good as Carlos Cuellar, it makes sense. If you do it to accomodate Martin Olsson, it doesnt.

[yoda]

Roque can't seem to hit a cow's arse with a banjo from five yards out this season.

Is that because he's not motivated?

he is obviously not "over performing"

its up to the manager to get the best out of his staff