[Archived] Paul Ince

[The Harwood Yankee]

asfor your question, maybe we can adopt ince's logic here.! http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/11082008/4/i...on-t-judge.html

That's a great quote! We might not have lost the first 5 games but we've only won 3 of the first 16 (lost 9), second worst goal difference in the division, worst home record in the division - all with more or less the same players who finished 7th last season. If Ince wants to be judged purely on the FACTS then there they are. Nobody can say he hasnt been given a chance. Purely and simply, the poor man is out of his depth here and should never have been appointed.

[my_name_is_Earl]

If it helps any, I have a degree in statistics and used to manage one of the UK's top consumer market research departments, and Bucky is right, the poll is meaningless. In fact, it would be hard to design one more flawed.

Philip is right to say that the margin of difference between sack and back is significant, but the sample is not random, in fact, far from it, which invalidates any conclusions being applied to the general population of Rovers supporters. Also, the options are not complete, many respondents may well want to vote 'wait and see', which was not a choice.

If 500 people had been asked at random as they left the ground, approached proportional to the attendances in the different seating areas, and 80% said sack, then that would be valid, as long as there was the third option of 'wait and see'.

You seem to have a decent knowledge of statistics. How about this for one. We have not won in ten league games. Are we in dire straits?

[mhead]

Not quite but nearly!

[Grabbi Graeme]

Breaking news on SSN

DAM It's about Newcastle

[The Harwood Yankee]

You seem to have a decent knowledge of statistics. How about this for one. We have not won in ten league games. Are we in dire straits?

Not only are we in dire straits, we're giving our manager Money For Nothing...

[Paul Mellelieu]

the whole race issue is particularly boring- I take the Observer (read: bleeding heart socialist) and was frankly disgusted when they chose to dedicate a full page article to the significance of Ince being the first black english manager to manage a premier league club. His appointment had nothing to do with his creed or colour- as it should be.

What a stupid view of the world, and one held by chief trouble maker Tdrog.

You can believe, as I do, that Ince's appointment has nothing to do with the colour of his skin, and that it was an important step forward for black people in football.

[yoda]

If it helps any, I have a degree in statistics and used to manage one of the UK's top consumer market research departments, and Bucky is right, the poll is meaningless. In fact, it would be hard to design one more flawed.

Philip is right to say that the margin of difference between sack and back is significant, but the sample is not random, in fact, far from it, which invalidates any conclusions being applied to the general population of Rovers supporters. Also, the options are not complete, many respondents may well want to vote 'wait and see', which was not a choice.

If 500 people had been asked at random as they left the ground, approached proportional to the attendances in the different seating areas, and 80% said sack, then that would be valid, as long as there was the third option of 'wait and see'.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics

if you think its wrong come up with a better one!

I bet you get a similar result

[T4E]

Not only are we in dire straits, we're giving our manager Money For Nothing...

And we're afraid to sack him in case we upset the Status Quo

[broadsword]

Den, you're being particularly pig headed on this issue.

NO-ONE (read that again) NO-ONE is happy with results or our League position.

However like I said last week, I would suggest that the majority of the fans in the ground on Saturday would be happy to keep Ince IF he could put a sequence of good results on the Board.

IF!

If you could give me a reason to believe he can turn this round I'd change my mind and back him.

But so far, despite me asking more than once, no-one has come up with a single reason why they believe he's the man to sort the mess out. Which speaks volumes.

[Drunx2002]

If it helps any, I have a degree in statistics and used to manage one of the UK's top consumer market research departments, and Bucky is right, the poll is meaningless. In fact, it would be hard to design one more flawed.

We're all missing that 20 people have voted neither to back or sack Paul Ince but to "crack" him!

Now, either they want to apply waxing strips to the cleft of his butt cheeks, or they want to bludgeon in his skull. Either way, for every 9 people that think he should stay on as manager, 2 want to commit mindless violence on him (we all know that Jan was one of these!). A scary prospect indeed.

[Grabbi Graeme]

And we're afraid to sack him in case we upset the Status Quo

But we could be Down Down Deeper and Down

[yoda]

What a stupid view of the world, and one held by chief trouble maker Tdrog.

You can believe, as I do, that Ince's appointment has nothing to do with the colour of his skin, and that it was an important step forward for black people in football.

your post is so contradictory and if I was theno I would go to town on you!

[nicko]

Not been able to find exactly when this board meeting is tomorrow...but there is one.

Hopefully it is definitive, although it strikes me there is a split or two about what to do next.

I think someone on here is probably aware of that and mentioned so earlier.

All I can find out is that there seems to be some support for Allardyce, some support for Souness and maybe even a third name in the frame.

Somebody needs to point out there is a transfer deadline looming and big decisions to be made.

If the board are going to back Paul Ince it can't just be for one game or five...and quite how they explain the phone calls is beyond me.

I have a nagging worry that the fall-out from that episode is influencing matters.

[T4E]

But we could be Down Down Deeper and Down

Feels a long way from Rockin' All Over the World in Feb 2002

[The Harwood Yankee]

But we could be Down Down Deeper and Down

What You're Proposin' - making Ince The Wanderer - thats just Dreamin'! It'd leave us all enjoying Marguerita Time!

[T4E]

What You're Proposin' - making Ince The Wanderer - thats just Dreamin'! It'd leave us all enjoying Marguerita Time!

There somethin' bout you yankee I like

[Manchester Blue]

I remember two games into the 91/92 season fans singing we want Mackay out I say we want Mackay out. It was very loud and it was obvious he got the message as I remember him being pretty upset.

I was expecting something similar if not worse on Saturday and many others commented on this in the pub beforehand. Apart from the odd comment to Ince I heard nothing and to be honest those comments have been throughout the season.

Does that mean the fans back Ince? Of course not, but it certainly means it would be very difficult to assume the crowd want him out. That is the point Tris is making as far I can tell and why Den can't/won't see that is beyond me. Basically I and others commented that it could be cringeworthy on Saturday watching the fans chant for him to leave. Instead we heard pretty much nothing.

Either way the fans were either pro Ince, willing to give him a bit more time or couldn't be bothered saying if they felt different. Some said they would wait until the game finished but in the end they waited until they got back to their pc's.

[Grabbi Graeme]

What You're Proposin' - making Ince The Wanderer - thats just Dreamin'! It'd leave us all enjoying Marguerita Time!

We might have to turn to The (Bolton) Wanderer to help us out

[roverfanuk]

All I can find out is that there seems to be some support for Allardyce, some support for Souness and maybe even a third name in the frame.

http://www.clarets-mad.co.uk/news/loadnews...W&id=420899 ???

[broadsword]

Your tactics are rubbish and you've got no team

You're a banana now, oh-whoah, you're a banaNA - now

[den]

Den, you're being particularly pig headed on this issue.

NO-ONE (read that again) NO-ONE is happy with results or our League position.

However like I said last week, I would suggest that the majority of the fans in the ground on Saturday would be happy to keep Ince IF he could put a sequence of good results on the Board.

Hence the reason for the lack of the anticipated demonstrations on Saturday.

This squabbling with fellow fans really is counterproductive. If you really want Ince removed that badly you really should turn your attention to the Board. They're the only ones who can sack him and if most reports apart from nicko are to be believed, they don't appear to be prepared to do so yet.

No Rev, it's you that came on here today trying to put down Nicko's claims that Ince was on his way out. You've got no evidence either way, nor have I, - so why the anger?

Now, how can the poll on here, the posts on the LT website, the posts on the official m/b not represent rovers fans views, yet you can claim to know what the majority of fans views are, without a shred of evidence?

As for squabbling- who's squabbling? It's a m/b where people exchange views, that's all.

[RevidgeBlue]

No Rev, it's you that came on here today trying to put down Nicko's claims that Ince was on his way out. You've got no evidence either way, nor have I, - so why the anger?

Nicko made a hugely provocative claim (ahead of a crucial game) that Ince would be sacked today. Nothing that has happened today suggests that claim had any substance, which is merely what I was pointing out.

[Craigman]

Nicko,

Does this mean that Ince is still going ? and we are just debating who to bring in ?

Cheers

[The Harwood Yankee]

Must be honest I was surprised by how far Nicko stuck his neck out about Ince being sacked today, he made it sound like he knew it was already decided. I've been checking Sky Sports & the net all day expecting an announcement. Nicko usually gets these things right so either an announcement is still imminent or he's been swayed too much by supposition. JW's quotes about Ince's position in the LT were far from pro-Ince - he deflected away from commenting either way really, which hardly strengthens Ince's position.

[nicko]

Nicko made a hugely provocative claim (ahead of a crucial game) that Ince would be sacked today. Nothing that has happened today suggests that claim had any substance, which is merely what I was pointing out.

You are starting to wear a bit thin.

I said on Saturday - along with four other newspapers who had found out the same info independently - that calls had been made by your club about other managers.

I knew there was a board meeting on Tuesday, which is why we got the '48-hour line' in the People. I know there have been talks among the members for the past two dyas, but sometimes you have to do things properly and sit down to make sure you are right.

After what had been done behind the scenes - with more than just one call made I should add - it was and probably still is heading the one way.

Now, I realise you are dying to get one right at my expense, which would make it about 40-1. That is up to you.

But shouldn't proper fans of a club be more interested in what is happening and is going to need to be done to avoid relegation rather than wittering on about your silly little arguments.

I should also remind you that when there was that 'next manager' thread I categorically stated I was unhappy about discussing that.

This stance had to change because of actions taken by other people.