[Archived] Paul Ince

[yoda]

Lies, damned lies, and statistics

A comment that applies much more to the results of the poll than wot I rote. The poll result is a statistic, but one based on a crap statistical method.

if you think its wrong come up with a better one!

I bet you get a similar result

12 of my family and friends are season ticket holders and I am the only one who thinks Ince should have already been fired. Two think this week and the rest at or after Xmas if things don't improve. Not a similar result but an equally flawed piece of research.

Unfortunately, "I bet" doesn't count in the world of consumer research. Corporate fortunes have been lost because of the Chairman's Wife syndrome.

so, you don't have a better one

[thenodrog]

The 'one more game' line you have been reading in the morning papers was an agreement struck between the reporters at the game on Saturday night.

There were a lot of things going on yesterday, many of which have been mentioned here in one way or another.

You have to remember that this is a hard job to handle because of the fall-out of sacking a manager, particularly this one.

The board have to get their new man lined up first or there would be an awkward couple of days when it would be all about Paul Ince being sacked. They don't need that, I suspect.

It's down to the board to decide who they want.

I think that step has to be made - and the next guy lined up - so that they happen quite close to each other.

There is a fear within the building at Ewood that they will be slaughtered in the media for sacking Ince...so they must do this right and that means having a manager immediately in place.

That is also why those calls were being made to other, outside clubs at the end of last week. It was doing homework, even if the timing was odd.

Of course, it was unlucky that one club leaked the info...but that's football for you.

Bring it on! It'll only be your lot and maybe a few sensationalist red tops. The more cerebral gentlemen of the press will react as Matt Dickinson and Martin Samuel already have. Our record and league position means there is absolutely no case to answer.

[RevidgeBlue]

Be brave. If you want to sack the guy, do it swiftly. If you want to back him, come out and say so and give him the money.

Agree completely with that nicko.

But really, you're admitting on here, far from your stories in the National Press about him being sacked by today, you haven't really got a clue which way the Board are thinking or going to go!

[thenodrog]

And, possibly, can work on the cheap and be willing to take a short-term contract.

Look like they have learned their lesson a taj late. I don't know the details but common sense would suggest that Ince should only have been offered those terms.

[RevidgeBlue]

Exactly Simon it must be really crap and insulting for Ince by having to endure another week of turning up late for work, 2 hours a day kick-about, having the odd argy bargy with a player or two and all for a measly 30kper week.

Anybody else share our concern?

Fair point!

(although I'm not having the "turning up late" bit.)

[philipl]

Just looked up the Liverpool stats:

Shots on Rovers 2 Liverpool 6

Shots off Rovers 4 Liverpool 3

Posession Rovers 38% Liverpool 62%

I have seen it on TV and I agree Rovers contested much better than in most games this season and very much better than recent games. But we hardly threatened to win it.

Rovers still need a further enormous improvement before we are to be in contention to get 3 points from a game and the next two games are relegation 6 pointers we dare not lose.

[Exiled in Toronto]

so, you don't have a better one

Nope - the poll, my friends and your 'I bet' are all equally meaningless. Nobody 'knows' what the 20-30,000 Rovers fans out there collectively think

Equally meaningless is Philip's 'JW got a thousand e-mails after the Man U game' He might get a thousand every day, or two; either of which would give a very different interpretation to the 1000 statistic, if indeed it is true.

[yoda]

Nope - the poll, my friends and your 'I bet' are all equally meaningless. Nobody 'knows' what the 20-30,000 Rovers fans out there collectively think

Equally meaningless is Philip's 'JW got a thousand e-mails after the Man U game' He might get a thousand every day, or two; either of which would give a very different interpretation to the 1000 statistic, if indeed it is true.

not meaningless, just not substantiated, so it's very risky to discount it out of hand

you know about free radicals being a statistics man

[thenodrog]

Sam wants back into work. I believe he would prefer Sunderland if he had the choice because ot the size of the club and possible money to spend.

However any good manager would fancy a crack at Rovers right now. Sam certainly has the bottle for it. I'm not sure his style would suit the current crop of players, but he would get them organised.

Souey does have a certain something about him that gives people a lift. For those who recall his last days that may sound strange. For those who recall your club was in a coma before he came it is worth reminding them.

I think we all know who would be most motivated and who would be here just for the money.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Anyway, got a bet to see go down the pan on the telly, so off for the night.

Just one thought before the board meeting tomorrow.

It is the biggest decision in the modern history of your club.

There can't be room for muddled thinking or worrying about what people will say - or write.

It's obvious from some of the boardroom leakers on here that there is a little quivering of the lips and bottoms among the decision-makers...

Be brave. If you want to sack the guy, do it swiftly. If you want to back him, come out and say so and give him the money.

All the best.

Well said Sir.

I have been told many times by the 'experts' on here that we are blessed to have such a strong Board, well worth every penny of their collective half a million salaries. Yet this last 6 months has shown them incapable of running the proverbial whelk stall.

Appoint a complete rookie with no apparent checks and balances in place in terms of probationary period, get-out clause etc

Give the rookie free reign to make ludicrous signings (backroom staff and the odd player)

Fail to back or sack during weeks of press and fan unrest

Divulge to Sunderland of all people their hope to appoint Souness as plan B

4 days after that, still done nothing.

At least Nero fiddled while Rome burned

[den]

Do we?

[Exiled in Toronto]

not meaningless, just not substantiated, so it's very risky to discount it out of hand

you know about free radicals being a statistics man

Meaningless because it used a flawed methodology. It's also equally risky to discount my survey of friends and family. When outliers are scattered at either end of the chart, even more dangerous to assume the one you personally agree with is the default.

[gumboots]

Do we?

I wouldn't have thought that either of them needed the cash and both have reputations to restore after Newcastle débacles so do we indeed?

[RevidgeBlue]

Meaningless because it used a flawed methodology. It's also equally risky to discount my survey of friends and family. When outliers are scattered at either end of the chart, even more dangerous to assume the one you personally agree with is the default.

Blimey, this is getting even more abstract that philip's definition of "nonce."

"Open University Courses on statistical analysis on brfcs.com"

[roverfanuk]

Hughesy is suspiciously silent at the moment...

Then again, it might have to do with the people that placed bets on Ince leaving TODAY on his advice last night!

[brfc4ever]

Exactly Simon it must be really crap and insulting for Ince by having to endure another week of turning up late for work, 2 hours a day kick-about, having the odd argy bargy with a player or two and all for a measly 30kper week.

Anybody else share our concern?

But of course, thenodrog

Who would want that kind of job ?

[RevidgeBlue]

Hughesy is suspiciously silent at the moment...

Then again, it might have to do with the people that placed bets on Ince leaving TODAY on his advice last night!

Not possible to place such a bet is it?

As long as he is next to leave any such wagers will be safe.

[yoda]

Meaningless because it used a flawed methodology. It's also equally risky to discount my survey of friends and family. When outliers are scattered at either end of the chart, even more dangerous to assume the one you personally agree with is the default.

didn't say I agreed with it, like you say the sample is to small and the questions could be better,

I do think however if a more structured poll was taken that a similar % would be returned on what is probably the main issue

[LeChuck]

Give the rookie free reign to make ludicrous signings (backroom staff and the odd player)

This story appeared this morning and just made me realise again what a mess Ince made of backroom staff selection: Zola claims assistant Steve Clarke will be the best signing he ever makes.

I think this whole situation could have been avoided by brining in a Steve Clarke of our own; i.e. a coach/assistant with appropriate qualifications and plenty of recent, relevant experience. You only have to look at West Ham's defensive performance against Liverpool to see the effect Clarke is having there...not surprising really given the managers he's worked under at Stamford Bridge.

I just feel our board were spineless to allow Ince to assemble the team he has, someone should have been putting pressure on him to get in the right people.

[thenodrog]

I am ashamed to be a blackburn fan,i feel really sorry for paul ince.He has not been given a fair crack of the whip,from the outset most people on this message board have been criticising everything he does.I think it is an absolute disgrace that the club are sounding out other managers when paul ince has not even been sacked yet.It is not al down to paul ince the players he inherited are crap.People on this board kep on saying that this squad finshed in the top half and were challenging for europe but i disagree although the players are still the same they have all gone backwards,the main players in seasons past have been,tugay savage,mcarthy,nelson,bentey,pedersen,santa cruz and friedal.savage,bentley and friedal are gone,nelson since his injury is no the same player,pedersen and mcarthy are not the same players(they re crap).I think keith andrews has been an okay signing atleast he uses the ball with intelligence,grella and reid hav been injured so we wre forced to play the awful AXE in centre midfield(he has to be the worst player in the prem).I think if we had the best manager in the world he would struggle with this lot.Managers need time to get the personnal in that they want,to stamp there athaurity on the club.Whats the bets in a few months time there will be an souness/allardyce out thread!

Wind up merchant from London.

[RevidgeBlue]

I think we all know who would be most motivated and who would be here just for the money.

I'm not sure either of them would be the ideal choices were we actually to go down would they?

Sam would want to be off like a shot and Souey would imo take us straight through the Divisions.

I'd be a lot more confident about Sam keeping us up though.

[thenodrog]

Look at the poll.

Yeah... and I haven't voted either.

[BuckyRover]

Is that your view on islander or Paul Ince?

[philipl]

I'm not sure either of them would be the ideal choices were we actually to go down would they?

Sam would want to be off like a shot and Souey would imo take us straight through the Divisions.

I'd be a lot more confident about Sam keeping us up though.

Will Sam still be available by the time the Blackburn End get round to booing Ince?

[RevidgeBlue]

This story appeared this morning and just made me realise again what a mess Ince made of backroom staff selection: Zola claims assistant Steve Clarke will be the best signing he ever makes.

I think this whole situation could have been avoided by brining in a Steve Clarke of our own; i.e. a coach/assistant with appropriate qualifications and plenty of recent, relevant experience. You only have to look at West Ham's defensive performance against Liverpool to see the effect Clarke is having there...not surprising really given the managers he's worked under at Stamford Bridge.

I just feel our board were spineless to allow Ince to assemble the team he has, someone should have been putting pressure on him to get in the right people.

It's a good point, I was speaking to someone at the United Cup Tie who apparently has knowledge of what goes on at Aston Villa and he said MON rarely if ever takes a training session, but is an exceptional man manager and motivator.,