[Archived] Paul Ince

[John]

I just feel our board were spineless to allow Ince to assemble the team he has, someone should have been putting pressure on him to get in the right people.

You have got to let a manager manage. He should be the one with the ideas. With the appointment of Knox, he obviously thought he had enough experience/quality within the back room team.

When Ince was appointed, he talked (very generally) about a 3-4 year plan at the club. Wonder what has happened to that....................I do feel sorry for the guy.

[BuckyRover]

I'm not sure either of them would be the ideal choices were we actually to go down would they?

Sam would want to be off like a shot and Souey would imo take us straight through the Divisions.

I'd be a lot more confident about Sam keeping us up though.

Just a shame he is as bent as a two bob note.... (allegedly)

Then again it didn't bother us when Souness was in charge

[thenodrog]

Den - John Williams says "It could have gone one of two ways on Saturday but the fans were fantastic and really got behind the team"

I think he's going to base his actions on what happens at Ewood Park rather than a tiny fraction of fans who press a "sack" button on an internet poll. 300 votes out of 3,000 members doesn't come close to speaking for 20,000 fans who totally failed to vociferously can the manager after a 3-1 defeat.

The situation in summer with the teenybop site 'facebook' tells us different Tris.

[Paul Mellelieu]

your post is so contradictory and if I was theno I would go to town on you!

I give up. One last try.

Do I think the Rovers Board appointed Ince because he was black? No, they thought he'd do a good job for the club.

Do I (and as far as i know the whole of the written press: please advice if you know better) think it was milestone in black people's involvement in football? Yes.

Now explain why that's sooooo difficult to understand.

[RevidgeBlue]

Will Sam still be available by the time the Blackburn End get round to booing Ince?

I don't know, maybe you'd better get yourself over from Malta to lead the choruses at the Stoke game....................

On a serious note: Re: Sam, he seems to be courting Sunderland fairly publicly, but they seem a bit more reserved so given they reportedly have around 40 applicants for the job, he might not be the shoe in at the Stadium of Light we initially thought.

[BuckyRover]

Do you know that for a fact or just tailoring opinion to suit your agenda? I have heard it mentioned a few times but didn't give it any credence.

[yoda]

Are you thick, or what?

bites everytime

[LeChuck]

You have got to let a manager manage. He should be the one with the ideas. With the appointment of Knox, he obviously thought he had enough experience/quality within the back room team.

Of course you have to let him manage, but that doesn't mean giving him free reign to bring in his mates regardless of how good they are. The Premier League had changed so much since Ince was last in it, getting in the right coaches to make up for this should have been the priority...just like it was with West Ham.

Regarding Knox, the only Premiership experience he has is a few years with a terrible Everton side constantly flirting with relegation and whose best finish was 13th, and being part of the Sammy Lee experiment at Bolton last year. It seems likely he's going to play out an almost identical role this season oddly enough. His only real coaching success in the English game came from an era where Ron Atkinson and Howard Wilkinson were highly successful managers. In other words...completely and utterly irrelevant.

[Antgrad]

I would think that one of the biggest problems in deciding whether to do the deed or not for the Board is cost. For a club that supposedly has no money if we decide to go ahead and sack Ince we'll not only have to compensate him but his coaching entourage too as its likely BFS (or whoever) will want to bring his own mob in. Therefore any money that we might have available for Ince to make changes in January wouldn't be there for the new guy. Hardly a tempting proposition for anybody is it?

So do we keep Ince and give him money , or sack him , get the new guy in but have nothing to spend?

[John]

Of course you have to let him manage, but that doesn't mean giving him free reign to bring in his mates regardless of how good they are. The Premier League had changed so much since Ince was last in it, getting in the right coaches to make up for this should have been the priority...just like it was with West Ham.

Hughes brought his friends in but they are also some of the best (highly qualified) coaches around. Not blaming Ince, because he clearly thought the staff he had in were good enough. Zola picked Clarke because they are good friends (and obviously rates him as a coach!).

[den]

It's a good point, I was speaking to someone at the United Cup Tie who apparently has knowledge of what goes on at Aston Villa and he said MON rarely if ever takes a training session, but is an exceptional man manager and motivator.,

That's the ideal isn't it.

Dalglish and Harford.

Doesn't come across as ideal this time though.

[Paul Mellelieu]

bites everytime

I'll take that as a yes then.

[LeChuck]

Hughes brought his friends in but they are also some of the best (highly qualified coaches around). Not blaming Ince, but he clearly thought the staff he had in was good enough. Zola picked Clarke because they are good friends.

Oh come on. You make it sound like it's a mere coincidence they were highly qualified coaches. Zola brought in Clarke because he's one of the best assistant's in the business, I'm sure he has better friends in football. Do you think Bowen, Eddie N would have come in if they weren't excellent coaches? You know as well as I do that they wouldn't.

I don't doubt Ince thought his staff were good enough, but that's because he has a blatant disregard for coaching qualifications and was completely out of touch with Premiership football having spent so long away from it. The fact that he thought they were good enough when everyone else knew they weren't just highlights what a bad manager he is.

[yoda]

I'll take that as a yes then.

I see you are still smarting from the pensions mauling

some of us just think people are people, colour is not an issue, why do you keep bringing it up?

[den]

It really is difficult for the board. Even backing Ince is fraght with potential problems. They could come out tomorow, make a statement saying they're fully behind Paul Ince and will back him come January. Lose to Wigan and/or Stoke, where would that leave them?

The only sure bet for them, whereby they would take least flak, is to sack him. Now I'm not trying to start another debate, just pointing something out. Wonder if that will influence their thinking?

[Exiled in Toronto]

Oh come on. You make it sound like it's a mere coincidence they were highly qualified coaches. Zola brought in Clarke because he's one of the best assistant's in the business, I'm sure he has better friends in football. Do you think Bowen, Eddie N would have come in if they weren't excellent coaches? You know as well as I do that they wouldn't.

I don't doubt Ince thought his staff were good enough, but that's because he has a blatant disregard for coaching qualifications and was completely out of touch with Premiership football having spent so long away from it. The fact that he thought they were good enough when everyone else knew they weren't just highlights what a bad manager he is.

I suspect he thought they were the best he could get.

In hindsight, I can't believe that a) the club was allowed to get itself in the situation where a change in manager meant a total exodus of everyone in any position of authority on the football side, and bee) Williams recruited a rookie manager who patently didn't have a strong back-up team or could pount ot an acceptable list in his supposedly rigorous interviews.

We were recruiting for a team to fill 10 vacancies, not just one job and then make it up as we go along, which is exactly what happened.

[tonygreenbank]

Did I expect a demo? No. What makes you think I did, I can't read into the future.

Blimey Den you`ve been telling us for weeks that we are going down!!

[RevidgeBlue]

I suspect he thought they were the best he could get.

In hindsight, I can't believe that a) the club was allowed to get itself in the situation where a change in manager meant a total exodus of everyone in any position of authority on the football side, and bee) Williams recruited a rookie manager who patently didn't have a strong back-up team or could pount ot an acceptable list in his supposedly rigorous interviews.

We were recruiting for a team to fill 10 vacancies, not just one job and then make it up as we go along, which is exactly what happened.

I thought it was odd that Hughes' entire team had been allowed to move and that Ince was in effect the only person in the building when he got here.

I mentioned that at a Fans Forum and the Club didn't seem to think that it was anything out of the ordinary and that it had happened before although I still think it's very unusual.

[John]

Interesting that there seems to be a lot of post analysis going on now.......nothing official yet, but the writing is surely on the wall.

[Manchester Blue]

Right MB. That comes over slightly different to how I was reading Tris's posts, so if I misunderstood, then I apologise.

I understood Tris to be using the lack of any crowd reaction, as evidence that the number of posts on here from people wanting a change of manager, are in no way representative of the real feelings of the overall number of fans. In fact it sounded to me as though Tris was using that as evidence of the complete opposite - that he thinks that demonstrated the support for the manager. You're saying that it actually proves nothing?

Doesn't change much though, does it.

Where did I say the crowd reaction, or lack of one proved nothing? You will clearly argue the point until a week on Sunday and I give up.

[BuckyRover]

Interesting that there seems to be a lot of post analysis going on now.......nothing official yet, but the writing is surely on the wall.

I'm not so sure about that.

I still fancy us to win the next 3 games and enjoy Christmas in mid table.

Dare to dream guys..... It will teach those guys trying to make a few quid on this unfortunate situation.

[den]

Where did I say the crowd reaction, or lack of one proved nothing? You will clearly argue the point until a week on Sunday and I give up.

Well what does it prove then, anything? I'm trying to bloomin understand what you and Tris are saying, - apart from Ince isn't doing too well, but don't criticise him on here, because it's harming the club.

I mean, he either thinks the absence of any kind of "demo" was an indication that the polls and posts on here do reflect the general opinion or they don't reflect it.

Do you know?

[Athlete]

I would think that one of the biggest problems in deciding whether to do the deed or not for the Board is cost. For a club that supposedly has no money if we decide to go ahead and sack Ince we'll not only have to compensate him but his coaching entourage too as its likely BFS (or whoever) will want to bring his own mob in. Therefore any money that we might have available for Ince to make changes in January wouldn't be there for the new guy. Hardly a tempting proposition for anybody is it?

with the players already at the club , if a new manager comes in with what we've got they should be good enougth to turn it around as dont forget we finished 7th last year and Bentley/Friedel apart have more or less the same squad

[Alex Rover]

I'm not so sure about that.

I still fancy us to win the next 3 games and enjoy Christmas in mid table.

Dare to dream guys..... It will teach those guys trying to make a few quid on this unfortunate situation.

Yeah, just you lot watch out. Rovers will be the toast of the press if we stick with Ince and he pulls a couple of results out of the bag.

[thenodrog]

your post is so contradictory and if I was theno I would go to town on you!

Don't wind me up yoda. That post alone proves that the mans bloody idiot.

Nicko made a hugely provocative claim (ahead of a crucial game) that Ince would be sacked today. Nothing that has happened today suggests that claim had any substance, which is merely what I was pointing out.

You need to consider that he is a reporter not a fan Simon.