[Archived] Paul Ince

[yoda]

As I said at the time, either provide proof of that statement, or apologise. You did neither then (you were too busy calling Ince a "negroid" as I remember), and true to form you'll do neither now.

As for our French friend, I seem to remember I won 2-1 and unlike you was able to admit when I was wrong. You on the other hand are unable to follow simple logic. As I asked you what was wrong with the post I made?

this board could do with some one like you!

but not right now

[Iceman]

Cant believe Ince will be given the Wigan game. Today is defo D Day, an i hope the board makes the right decision

Chris where have you dissapeared to?

[dave birch]

As someone who backed Ince at the start of his tenure, I am now calling for his removal.

I base this on nothing more than the results over the season to date. We, apparently, were lucky to win at Everton, and if I remember correctly, we scrambled that win because the players ignored the managers instructions to play for the draw.

For me, Paul Ince is three or four games past my "he's had enough chances to show his ability" date. There is one thing bigger than any employee at Ewood Park, and that is the club. That must come first before any sentimentality. Sacking anyone is hard, and yes I've done that, but at times, it's needed, and it's certainly needed now.

To our dear friend Oliver Holt, if ever you make it to Sydney, look me up, I'm in the 'phone book, and we can talk about the implied racism at Blackburn Rovers (I'm a Blackburn lad before you go any further). You might even let me know what you are targetting Blackburn Rovers for? What have they done to you? Had a benefactor? Won the prem? BTW, Oliver, ever been an employer, ever had to make that hard decision? In business there are two issues, employee competancy and profit, if employees don't measure up, they've got to go, otherwise the business heads south. If you don't want to talk to me, Oliver, have a chat with the finance blokes on your rag, they might point you in the right direction as to why the Rovers, and their fans, are somewhat perplexed at Mr Ince's performance so far this season.

[PAFELL]

I think they need to come out and clarify that themselves.

History will remember what happens tomorrow.

If Ince is given one more game and Rovers win it - then Ince would stay in the job - but if they lose the one after that - would he be sacked? The club need to act now and not wait until the next defeat - which sounds to me like they may want to do. Even draws are no good for Rovers or Ince. I also do not think it is fair on the players or Ince to be told the next defeat and the manager is gone.

[RevidgeBlue]

I was surprised when people started to mention Souness but the more I think about it Souness in charge with Tugay as player-coach would be a much more pro-Rovers option than what we have right now, and they'd show the passion to get the best out of the players we have, something that Ince clearly lacks.

Not wishing to have a go at you or the legend that is Tugay, but if anyone suggested a team of Souness and Robbie Fowler, everyone would be absolutely up in arms yet that notion is only slightly more nonsensical than a Souness/Tugay combination.

[Craigman]

The Blackburn Board just need to look at Tottenham as an example for bringing in a new manager, someone who knows this league. They have climbed away from the relegation zone.

Come on Rovers, you need to sack Ince now.

[gazsimm]

anyone know what time the board meeting will be taking place today??????

[philipl]

Not wishing to have a go at you or the legend that is Tugay, but if anyone suggested a team of Souness and Robbie Fowler, everyone would be absolutely up in arms yet that notion is only slightly more nonsensical than a Souness/Tugay combination.

The Souness/Tugay idea becomes even more far-fetched when you consider that the idea is to give Souness a contract to the end of the season to keep us up presumably then leaving Tugay in sole charge at the end. Or have I missed something?

This doesn't hide the fact that failure to say goodbye to Paul Ince and his coaches today would be an abrogation of responsibility by the board.

Brownie has posted that the Board meeting is in the morning but I really would not expect that there would be any announcements of changes until the evening. These sorts of things are complicated and often very messy and the process of firing such a highly remunerated executive in itself can take many hours to reach an agreement that is satisfactory in the circumstances.

I have floated the idea that at £1.5m per year Paul Ince is the highest salaried executive in the area that now passes for Lancashire and nobody has argued against me in the past.

[mac]

anyone know what time the board meeting will be taking place today??????

10 am

[John]

I am never a fan of this one game to save your job scenario. Usually it ends in the manager getting sacked anyway.

You either have faith in the guy or you don't.

If they don't, we need to give the new man as much time as possible.

[T4E]

I am never a fan of this one game to save your job scenario. Usually it ends in the manager getting sacked anyway.

Totally agree. When you've lost 5 in a row, and haven't won in 10, what does losing one more prove? Likewise, what does winning it prove? If he stays and we beat Wigan, he'll still have only taken 6 points from a possible 33 - still totally unacceptable.

[Bobby G]

1 hour and a half left for the meeting to begin.

For me it comes down to this. The board have to ask themselves what will we do if Ince fails to beat Wigan? If the answer to that is sack him, then sack him now. You either give him a sickening full backing, or you get rid now.

The only way they would pull a cop-out is by not commenting in the media until after the Wigan game...

I was feeling mildly sad for Ince yesterday when I believed he had gone, but the moment any hope of his retention appeared I realized how badly I want him out for the club's sake.

[Paul Mellelieu]

this board could do with some one like you!

but not right now

I give up. You can't, or won't, answer a simple question.

Goodbye.

[Bobby G]

Mirror suggests this board meeting was set up 5 weeks ago and is a regular meeting and Ince will part of it too.

Also says that we will only have 5 million pounds to spend in January irrespective of the manager and JW is looking for an investor to pump in some money.

[Guest Kamy100]

Mirror suggests this board meeting was set up 5 weeks ago and is a regular meeting and Ince will part of it too.

Yeah but the Mirror seems to have decided that they are going to become Paul Ince's PR company.

[alexanders]

and JW is looking for an investor to pump in some money.

And this is where Souness comes in?

[thenodrog]

Ok So I can understand the Ince Out stuff but I cannot believe the calls for Souness.

We thought we had died and gone to heaven when the decision to fire him was plucked out of our Chairmans hands when he was handed a load of dosh by Newcastle. And after overnight success at Newcastle where has he been successfully plying his trade ?

A superb result! We got a few million quid from the magpies, saved further millions in not having to sack him and pay him off within a few weeks AND AVOIDED NEAR CERTAIN RELEGATION BY DOING SO. Do we really want to go there again? I don't.

[thenodrog]

Not wishing to have a go at you or the legend that is Tugay, but if anyone suggested a team of Souness and Robbie Fowler, everyone would be absolutely up in arms yet that notion is only slightly more nonsensical than a Souness/Tugay combination.

Correct. Calls for Tugay to come to the rescue in some sort of management deal are just based on sentimentality and sheer hope.

[Earlydoors]

Personally I back Ince but even if he get's the next two games he has to get at least 4 points from them.

On other possibilities, I would hope for Curbishley or Coppell.

[gillibrand]

Personally I back Ince but even if he get's the next two games he has to get at least 4 points from them.

On other possibilities, I would hope for Curbishley or Coppell.

[Parsonblue]

An interesting piece in the LT today in which John Williams talks about needing nine more wins to avoid relegation. Yet, the article suggests that the manager, who hasn't won in the last ten League games, will be given the Wigan game to turn things around. I simply don't understand this logic. If we lose to Wigan we will be nine points behind them and our wonderful goal difference really makes it a ten point margin. Does anyone believe that we will pull ten points back on Wigan over the remainder of the season?

Also, is it really being fair to Paul Ince for him to go into every game with the axe hanging over him. Suppose we absolutely hammer Wigan, but their 'keeper makes save after save and then we concede a dubious penalty to give Wigan a win. Do we sack Ince or do we keep him? It really is a nonsense to have his job hanging by the thread of a dubious decision given by an official.

The time has come for the Board to make a decision one way or the other. Back the manager or sack the manager but to leave him hanging in the wind on a game to game basis is just making us look foolish.

If there is only £5 million available in January, and from what John Williams said last week about there being very little money to spend in the window I suspect it's not far off the mark, then the directors have to ask themselves two questions. Firstly do they trust the manager to spend it wisely? Secondly, do they believe he can organize the present squad to achieve better results than they have achieved so far? If the answer to both is yes then keep him. If the answer is no he should be replaced before the Wigan match. However, at this stage of the season the Board should know whether they trust the abilities of the manager or not.

[philipl]

Just a bit of stuff in the BBC Gossip column:

Blackburn will decide on Tuesday whether to keep faith with under-fire manager Paul Ince. (The Sun)

Ince is expected to survive the board meeting at Ewood Park but his fate will be decided by Rovers' next two matches - at Wigan on Saturday and at home to Stoke on 20 December. (The Times)

Rovers chairman John Williams wants to stand by Ince but other board members feel the consequences of relegation means the club must make a change now. (The Sun)

Williams has refused to give Ince his unequivocal backing and says his board will take any action necessary to protect Rovers' Premier League status. (The Guardian)

A bad defeat for Blackburn at Wigan on Saturday - or any indication that Ince no longer has the support of his players - will spell the end of the former England international's reign at Ewood Park. (Daily Express)

If Ince does go, his replacement would have only £5m to spend in the January transfer window. (Daily Mirror)

Ex-Bolton boss Sam Allardyce and former Rovers manager Graeme Souness have both been linked with the Blackburn post. (Daily Mirror)

Blackburn's veteran Turkey midfielder Tugay has also been touted for the job. (The Independent)

Rovers are actively seeking an investor to pump some much-needed funds into the club's coffers. (Daily Mirror)

[gillibrand]

I think it is difficult that after every defeat there is always anther game for Ince , surely the fans should let it be known that there is a difference between support for the team and a dislike for Ince!

[thenodrog]

Blackburn will decide on Tuesday whether to keep faith with under-fire manager Paul Ince. (The Sun)

Ince is expected to survive the board meeting at Ewood Park but his fate will be decided by Rovers' next two matches - at Wigan on Saturday and at home to Stoke on 20 December. (The Times)

Rovers chairman John Williams wants to stand by Ince but other board members feel the consequences of relegation means the club must make a change now. (The Sun)

Williams has refused to give Ince his unequivocal backing and says his board will take any action necessary to protect Rovers' Premier League status. (The Guardian)

A bad defeat for Blackburn at Wigan on Saturday - or any indication that Ince no longer has the support of his players - will spell the end of the former England international's reign at Ewood Park. (Daily Express)

If Ince does go, his replacement would have only £5m to spend in the January transfer window. (Daily Mirror)

Ex-Bolton boss Sam Allardyce and former Rovers manager Graeme Souness have both been linked with the Blackburn post. (Daily Mirror)

If you ask me I'd say it looks like Allardyce has got us on a spike ....... at least until Sunderland make up their minds and rule him out.

Personally I back Ince but even if he get's the next two games he has to get at least 4 points from them.

On other possibilities, I would hope for Curbishley or Coppell.

For the benefit of all mboard members please expand on those two sentences earlydoors....... Doctors frequently tell us that laughter is the best medicine.

[Drunx2002]

Lots of press interest today regarding the board meeting. I can't recall there ever being so much media knowledge about a critical board meeting in terms of a manager's future before.

It is very un-Blackburn Rovers to publicly bare your soul like this, and is further damaging our (and the board's) reputation. Stop dithering and make your mind up!