[Archived] Paul Ince

[gillibrand]

Is there any news of Sunderlands favourite yet or their fans choice?

[philipl]

I think it is difficult that after every defeat there is always anther game for Ince , surely the fans should let it be known that there is a difference between support for the team and a dislike for Ince!

It seems that if there is a popular movement against the Manager it has been lost in the support for the team.

I fully accept that it is not possible to extrapolate 440 people voting on this board or a large number of personal e-mails to the Chairman as being representative of the paying customers at Ewood although the numbers are such that you have to conclude we are a pretty wierd and unrepresentative lot for that hypothesis to hold.

But equally, there ought at least to be some intellectual and statistical effort put into getting confident that 440 on this MB and the e-mails to the Chairman are definitely NOT representative of the Ewood paying customer base and are in fact going against the tide of opinion.

If that second step is not taken, I can see a horrible mistake being made.

[Majiball]

Correct. Calls for Tugay to come to the rescue in some sort of management deal are just based on sentimentality and sheer hope.

Yes there is sentiment there, but I want our new coaching set-up to have some club men in it. The situation we find ourselves in cannot happen again twice in 6 months a complete change of staff.

If Ince does go, his replacement would have only £5m to spend in the January transfer window. (Daily Mirror)

I knew it. 5M so one half decent player, a manager with continental experience could have good connections for loans I think we will need one or two now.

[BRFCBOY]

think its safe to say that after looking at the papers he is going to be given til the wigan / stoke games.

The next 3 games are massive

[Hughesy]

anyone know what time the board meeting will be taking place today??????

10am-12, Ewood park, Box 4.

Hopefully those people in Box 4 sack him. He has to go. He has lost the majority of the fans, we are in deep trouble and he has fallen out with several key players. Add to that certain players dont seem to be pulling their weight for him then it only adds up to relegation.

[Plastic Head]

think its safe to say that after looking at the papers he is going to be given til the wigan / stoke games.

The next 3 games are massive

Make that the next 22 games.

[67splitscreen]

Talking of replacements.

Just read this on another board, but no positve proof, the poster say's he is interested.

As we are known as a bit of a family club, and it's nice to keep it in the family, no it's nothing to do with are 6 fingured friends.

Fatih Terim, Tugay's cousin.

No Prem experience I know but is he a worthy candidate, could we take the chance. ???

[LeChuck]

Has he gone yet? They've been in that meeting 5 minutes now...can't take long to decide, surely?

[waggy]

Somebody replied to you the other day about this and (as far as I'm aware) you didn't reply, although with the search function down I could well be wrong about that.

The jist of it was that the fans were supporting the team (i.e. the players) and not Ince. It seems a shame that supporting the players on the field seems to being twisted into a 'fans support Ince' angle.

but the anti ince fans had the chance to demostrate,to show the board how many off you want ince out,ok being a cyber warrior but when it came to the nitty gritty your lot bottled it

[almuncle]

Has he gone yet? They've been in that meeting 5 minutes now...can't take long to decide, surely?

Ince has changed the seating arrangements! No-ones sure of their positions

[leftfooter]

Talking of replacements.

Just read this on another board, but no positve proof, the poster say's he is interested.

As we are known as a bit of a family club, and it's nice to keep it in the family, no it's nothing to do with are 6 fingured friends.

Fatih Terim, Tugay's cousin.

No Prem experience I know but is he a worthy candidate, could we take the chance. ???

How would Oliver Holt manage to spin a negative on that?

Ince forced out due to racism...only to be replaced by a Turk!

(a similar argument could apply if Tugay took over with Souness)

[Bobby G]

Key moment in the history of our club. We all know Ince will go whether today, tomorrow, next week or in two weeks. Its a matter of time. Might as well stop the rot now.

[waggy]

And I wasn't the one who was making the calls that prompted the first story.

Anyway, you all might as well chill out for the rest of the night.

Think you will find there is a board meeting tomorrow.

did anyone make the call in the 1st place.jurno's are well known for stretching the truth,nicko the man with his finger on the pulse at ewood,fook off back to the turf

[Guest Kamy100]

but the anti ince fans had the chance to demostrate,to show the board how many off you want ince out,ok being a cyber warrior but when it came to the nitty gritty your lot bottled it

Entirely correct. I firmly believe that the board was expecting a huge backlash if we lost to Liverpool on Saturday (judging by the messageboard and e-mails John Williams got after the United defeat), however this did not happen, in fact it was the opposite fans got behind the team and probably created the best atmposhere at Ewood this season. No protests at the end of the game. This results in board thinking that the vast majority of fans whilist angry at being in the relegation zone do not want Ince sacked immediately.

[Bobby G]

People were chanting for Uncle Jack and supporting the team. The board should be happy about that but not foolish enough to think that means people are happy with Ince. Also, why do the board have to wait for the worst possible scenario then to act?

[Hughesy]

Has he gone yet? They've been in that meeting 5 minutes now...can't take long to decide, surely?

Due to the lack of anti-ince at the home game at weekend....It looks like Ince is safe for now!!! FFS!! Some Board members want him out, but not all, and they wont go against the others wishes so he will more than likely still be here for the next few games!!

PATHETIC!!

[Majiball]

This is the fastest growing thread in the world, one days absense and it grows 30+ pages.

Better get reading!

[BRFCBOY]

Make that the next 22 games.

i meant with regards ince being here or not being here

[broadsword]

if that's true that any new manager would only have £5 million to spend in the transfer window then we are beggared all ways and might as well keep Ince on.

I don't think you can get a decent forward, a ball-playing midfielder, a new centre-back, a right-winger and a right-back and have change for a jolly-up out of £5 mill. Well, you might if you got them all from MK Dons I guess.

Getting a new manager in would be tantamount to changing the deckchairs on the Titanic. What we really need is someone to steer us away from the Iceberg, but the wheel's been locked.

glug glug glug.

[EwoodGlory]

Due to the lack of anti-ince at the home game at weekend....It looks like Ince is safe for now!!! FFS!! Some Board members want him out, but not all, and they wont go against the others wishes so he will more than likely still be here for the next few games!!

PATHETIC!!

Do you have a bug in there, or is it the shortest board meeting ever?

Surely they can't have agreed to keep him inside half an hour

[Majiball]

Talking of replacements.

Just read this on another board, but no positve proof, the poster say's he is interested.

As we are known as a bit of a family club, and it's nice to keep it in the family, no it's nothing to do with are 6 fingured friends.

Fatih Terim, Tugay's cousin.

No Prem experience I know but is he a worthy candidate, could we take the chance. ???

I put his name forward as well, its a good choice he could carry on with Turkey till the summer and we get some more dollar. Good enough ,manager that Inter Roma practically begged him to come back to Italy.

PS you sure he Tugays cousin?

if that's true that any new manager would only have £5 million to spend in the transfer window then we are beggared all ways and might as well keep Ince on.

I don't think you can get a decent forward, a ball-playing midfielder, a new centre-back, a right-winger and a right-back and have change for a jolly-up out of £5 mill. Well, you might if you got them all from MK Dons I guess.

Getting a new manager in would be tantamount to changing the deckchairs on the Titanic. What we really need is someone to steer us away from the Iceberg, but the wheel's been locked.

glug glug glug.

This whole 5M left if we sack Ince does that include the extra 3M the trust promised to put in?

Time to make serious use of continental loans.

I can't believe thats all thats left over, how much will it cost to get rid 5M+ we never seem to learn as a club. When you need clauses we don't put them in when we don't need then it seems we add them in for fun.

So sack ince lose RSC in Jan, time to get that one sorted with City me thinks we will need that money to bring in what we need, savage.

[yoda]

but the anti ince fans had the chance to demostrate,to show the board how many off you want ince out,ok being a cyber warrior but when it came to the nitty gritty your lot bottled it

I thought we were all the same lot

how do you know that you speak for the silent majority?

[leftfooter]

if that's true that any new manager would only have £5 million to spend in the transfer window then we are beggared all ways and might as well keep Ince on.

I don't think you can get a decent forward, a ball-playing midfielder, a new centre-back, a right-winger and a right-back and have change for a jolly-up out of £5 mill. Well, you might if you got them all from MK Dons I guess.

Getting a new manager in would be tantamount to changing the deckchairs on the Titanic. What we really need is someone to steer us away from the Iceberg, but the wheel's been locked.

glug glug glug.

Any other cynics read the leaking of the £5 mill spends now as a precursor to the club announcing the sale of RSC in January?

[Sysagent]

but the anti ince fans had the chance to demostrate,to show the board how many off you want ince out,ok being a cyber warrior but when it came to the nitty gritty your lot bottled it

I am sure you was there then with yer placards, shouting away wasn't you...

Can't see the board getting rid of Ince now for the short term future, if it was going to happen it would have happened by now, I think he is going to get till January after the transfer deadline to see what he can do with some new blood in the team.

Point is the "new blood" will be worth about thruppence ha'penny as the board will be scared to death to give him any real backing financially as they will be very very doubious as to the decisions he will make in the transfer market with his past signings (apart from Robo but that was a given).

The thing is though if the board do have doub'ts however big or small, then this shows a lack of confidence in the manager with his team and steps should be made to rectify this if they are to stand by the man they stuck in at the top, this being by:-

1) Supporting the manager by assisting him in getting the best in back room coaching staff to help him through his Premier League apprenticeship and ditching the existing sub standard ones

2) Actually giving the guy some moral support by JW and the board coming out and stating that they are behind him 100% and indicate what the long term plan is at Rovers with Ince at the helm

3) Giving him the financial and intellectual help he will need in January's window

If the above happens I think Ince could still have a chance of making it in the Premier League, which will ultimately mean Rovers staying in it as well, if not then we are well and truly in the mire.

They could also go the easy expensive route though and just ditch the lot of them, admit that whole Ince experiment was a mistake (of which they would have contributed to in my opinion) by not carrying out 1, 2 and 3.

On reflection I don't think Ince is entirely to blame on what is going on at Rovers at the moment, as he has been left a bit high and dry by his employers, by the looks if it there has not been a lot hand holding (read nurturing) of what could be an exciting prospect in the future of british management, they could / should have given him the back room staff he needed and told / advised him on who would be suitable in this capacity, but they didn't and due to this we are now in the position we are.

[waggy]

I thought we were all the same lot

how do you know that you speak for the silent majority?

i speak for myself and if i wanted ince out i would be shouting from the roof tops,every rovers fan i have spoke too know ince needs time,some want him out others are prepared to give him time,like me.i speak for myself,and myself only

Argument falls down at the first hurdle there.

I was on my feet cheering and shouting, nor did I boo or demonstrate in any way whatsoever at the end. Baz likewise. Doesn't mean I/we don't want him replaced though does it? How many more like us eh?

well why come on here and bitch about ince when ewood is the place to do it