[Archived] Paul Ince

[dennis the menace]

I don't think it's a case of us Ince fans knowing how he's going to turn it around, it's more of a hope that he does turn it around because we want him to succeed at the club.

I'm a big Paul Ince fan which started from his playing days all the way up to becoming a manager. He's done really well in his last 2 jobs and it's a case of wanting him to do well at Blackburn because he's shown on a smaller scale that he has what it takes to turn teams around in a positive way and go on to play good exciting football.

I guess we just hope he knows what he's doing (despite what everyone else thinks) and he'll know how to turn it around and get results for us.

We are also realistic in knowing that time is running out very fast and if he doesn't show any signs of a victory asap then it's best for the club that he doesn't stay.

well everyone wanted ince to do well.. that equals brfc succes..

but what really does stand out mate, is the fact that your whole argument, is based a single word, and that is HOPE..

so far ,there are a ton of reasons, which are as close, to clear cut evidence, as it gets in football, when it comes to wanting ince out..

so far ,those who supports ince, and want him to continue, hasnt come up with anything better then, well we hope..

personally i would like if someone, could be more specific, show some areas where ince is improving, guide me in the direction and show me some arguments, which are not based on HOPE, but much closer to "facts"..

[novella]

I think the main thing we have to ask ourselves as fans is would any of the available managers really do a better job than Ince with this squad? Maybe it is just a confidence thing, maybe one win and they will start playing. It's all fine and well saying i would take big sam now, but what if he came in today and we got battered off wigan?

There have been some really bad results for example sunderland. But then there have been some results like the pompey one, where, if the ref gives matty derbyshires goal it is an amazing comeback from 2 down. It's a fine line.

As people have said maybe the board need to give a clear cut answer to backing up ince or sacking ince. But maybe today they have said to themselves lets make our minds up over the Wigan match, one that last season we should be taking 3 points from.

The one thing i would like to see from ince if he stays is to play a line up with no unforced chops and changes to the team each week. just the same battling line up in the correct positions.

[Craigman]

Relegation looms now, I can not see how Ince can turn things around especially without any financial backing.

[Plastic Head]

I think the main thing we have to ask ourselves as fans is would any of the available managers really do a better job than Ince with this squad?

Yes. Things like basic defending, set peices and not buying players from League 2 spring to mind as things that could be improved by most managers.

[den]

well everyone wanted ince to do well.. that equals brfc succes..

but what really does stand out mate, is the fact that your whole argument, is based a single word, and that is HOPE.

It sounds to me, that our board are incapable of anything more than "hope". Would they run their businesses built on hope? If their own personal business was falling down, would they sit back and do nothing?

I asked weeks ago, that they be decisive and what have we got?

No leadership.

No statement to the fans on the situation

No backing for Ince.

No sacking of Ince.

No real money to help Ince.

No apparent agreement at board level, on the manager situation.

A Chairman who doesn't agree with the trustees input.

No argument they can put forward to justify their belief that Ince will keep us up.

To be absolutely honest, I've never felt so dejected about a situation at my football club. Let's hope the board can offer something better than this - and soon.

[Iceman]

the problem i have, is that JW has not come out and whole heartedly shown his support for Ince. he Williams being a smart guy, has been talking in circles. either sack ince or completely back Ince.

[martonrover]

It sounds to me, that our board are incapable of anything more than "hope". Would they run their businesses built on hope?

I asked weeks ago, that they be decisive and what have we got?

No leadership.

No statement to the fans on the situation

No backing for Ince.

No sacking of Ince.

No real money to help Ince.

No apparent agreement at board level, on the manager situation.

A Chairman who doesn't agree with the trustees input.

No argument they can put forward to justify their belief that Ince will keep us up.

To be absolutely honest, I've never felt so dejected about a situation at my football club. Let's hope the board can offer something better than this - and soon.

Spot on.We're going into meltdown.

[gumboots]

As people have said maybe the board need to give a clear cut answer to backing up ince or sacking ince. But maybe today they have said to themselves lets make our minds up over the Wigan match, one that last season we should be taking 3 points from

We got thumped by Wigan in this one last year, so why should we expect to take points this year?

[yoda]

We got thumped by Wigan in this one last year, so why should we expect to take points this year?

It's called blind faith!

which is expensive in our situation

[dinglebasher]

I don't think that the choices facing the board are simple. They had to work out answers to two questions:

1. Something clearly needs to change. That could either be a new manager, or it could be backing Ince and letting him spend more on the squad. The problem with the former is that if they sack Ince they'll have to pay him off, which would mean a new manager would have even less to spend, thus reducing the chances of that person being successful, and decreasing the quality of the applicants. Obviously there's no guarantee that Ince's new signings will do the job either, and that's why this is not an easy decision.

2. It's only worth sacking Ince if they could guarantee that the successor would be of sufficient calibre to guarantee survival. We've been here before when Hodgson was replaced with a man who was much less experienced and talented - Kidd. It would be easy to fall into that trap again. Rumours (and that's all they are) that Souness +/- Tugay might sound good now, but I think the club are trying to build long-term (for which they should be commended) - would people really be delighted if those two were given the job indefinitely?

It's not an easy decision.

[yoda]

We got thumped by Wigan in this one last year, so why should we expect to take points this year?

It's called blind faith!

which is expensive in our situation

[BRFC1995]

What a pointless day. Expected action......got none. I really do pray we beat wigan, but if we don't.....what then. there's a week between every match, how deep into the season does the board leave it to send out the SOS.

All those bottom at christmas stats, and clubs that stay up after binning manager stats seem very real to me.

Don't know how professional all our players are. Heads normally go down when we concede, those that ain'nt keen on the manager could really lat the games pass them by knowing without wins ince is surely only here game to game. Rubbish day

[Hughesy]

SSN running a story on there saying following the meeting, JW has backed Ince. But that is rubbish, everything he has been quoted on was in the LET this morning at 6am. Lazy Journalism!!!

Den - I hate to admit it but you was right, he needs to go and fast and my feelings are very similar to yours.

The annoying thing is that a majority of our fans can see Ince is the problem and also so can alot of supporters of other clubs.

[yoda]

We got thumped by Wigan in this one last year, so why should we expect to take points this year?

It's called blind faith!

which is expensive in our situation

sorry for the duplicate posts, efin over run error

[DaveyB]

Support of the players???

He has fallen out with Roberts, Vogel, Samba (Twice), Peter, Friedel. So I suppose he has the support of them players yeah!

Where is the evidence that he has fallen out with any of these players??

personally im having a hard time, seeing ince turn it around..

the reaction from fans in the liverpool game have been discussed, this poll have been discussed, people who want ince out, their opinion have been discussed..

BUT.. what seems to slip through to easy, in this discussion, is the opinion of those, who believe ince will turn it around..

so i ask ONE simple questions:

WHAT GIVES YOU THE IDEA, INCE WILL TURN IT AROUND.??

What makes you so certain that any other manager will turn things around??

Now I am by no means a huge fan of Paul Ince and, if he were to be sacked tomorrow I wouldn't shed any tears, but ultimately all I can do is hope that he will turn it around, just as if any other manager came in I'd hope that they would be able to turn it around - because it is by no means certain that just because someone has done ok at one club that they will be able to do the same here.

I do think that Ince has been a bit unlucky with the injuries and some other stuff, and I think he's made some mistakes too. Of the games that i've seen (not that many admittedly) there's only really the Sunderland game that stands out as being a terrible performance - and then for only 45 mins. I've certainly seen us play that badly before under Hughes and probably will again under a new manager some time in the future.

Having seen the Liverpool game - after reading that Ince had lost the support of the players - I was suprised to see the level of commitment from the players. Both the fans and the players had a chance to send a message to the board that it was time for Ince to go - neither took it, and on that basis, I think Ince bought himself one more chance to show that he can turn things around. If he doesn't take it - then he'll only have himself to blame.

[vintageadidas]

Been away all day with work - reading the comments put out by JW have just made my heart sink and for me to throw my tea up all over the table...........why?.........because it has just dawned on me that we will NOT win 9 out of the remaining 22 games. I never thought about it like that and i am GUTTED!

On current form we probably could just about manage 3 wins from the remaining fixtures, which is not good enough. I am giving my opinion on the games we could realistically win and why!

1. Wigan v Rovers - WIN - This is Ince's cup final, we will surely try EVERYTHING!

2. Rovers v Stoke - WIN - They don't travel too well and i think if we got the first win against Wigan, we could get this too.

3. Sunderland v Rovers

4. Rovers v Man City

5. Fulham v Rovers

6. Rovers v Newcastle

7. Rovers v Bolton

8. Middlesbrough v Rovers - WIN - We just always seem to do well up in the North East, poor excuse but would you bet on us winning at West Ham?

9. Rovers v Aston Villa

10. Man Utd v Rovers

11. Hull v Rovers

12. Rovers v Everton

13. Arsenal v Rovers

14. Rovers v West Ham

15. Rovers v Tottenham - WIN - They dont travel ooopp north too well and we will be after getting one over DB.

16. Liverpool v Rovers

17. Stoke v Rovers

18. Rovers v Wigan - WIN - Certainly winnable.

19. Man City v Rovers

20. Rovers v Portsmouth - WIN - Getting to the crunch now and Portsmouth will be in mid table security with nothing to play for.

21. Chelsea v Rovers

22. Rovers v West Brom - WIN - Last game of the season!

That doesnt get to the magical 40 point mark. :-(

[RovertheHill]

During the summer when we were searching for a new manager I was intrigued by the prospect of Shearer coming. I was interested in Ten Cate, and I thought Allardyce was completely the wrong choice. I never really thought about Ince until he was appointed. At the time my comment on the subject was that it was an underwhelming appointment. However, I did have complete faith in the board given that they'd chosen two successive successful managers for us in Souness and Hughes. To be fair, the jury was very much out on Hughes for me because of his lack of experience (and being manager of Wales is not commensurate with experience). However, it was a bold appointment and I was more than happy to give him time - especially because we seemed to be heading in an upwards direction. It turned out to be an excellent appointment. With that in mind I was supportive of Ince in the first instance because I instinctively like to give people a chance. I thought very clearly that the people closest to the decision, the people who had got 2 out of 2 correct before, were clearly in a better place to judge the man. I came on this board and had some debates with some people who were against Ince form the get-go. As I say, I favour giving people a chance and thought they were wrong to judge based on little or no evidence. I still think that now. Now that the evidence is in I do, however, think that Ince was and is the wrong appointment. The board had a decision to make. They haven't made a decision at all. They have run away from a decision. They have bottled it. How has Rovers descended from a club universally commended for the excellent way in which it is run to a joke and a laughing stock in little more than 6 months? How have we come from thinking of finishing 9th as failure to thinking 9 wins will save our season? It may save us from relegation but it will be the death knell for this club - good players only came here because they thought it was well run and had a chance of challenging. The ONLY decision that should have been made was for a clean start - man up, admit the mistake, and get back to being well run, hard to beat and going in an upwards direction. I'm with Den on this - I've not felt this dejected since the last relegation. The beginning of the end.

[dennis the menace]

It sounds to me, that our board are incapable of anything more than "hope". Would they run their businesses built on hope?

I asked weeks ago, that they be decisive and what have we got?

No leadership.

No statement to the fans on the situation

No backing for Ince.

No sacking of Ince.

No real money to help Ince.

No apparent agreement at board level, on the manager situation.

A Chairman who doesn't agree with the trustees input.

No argument they can put forward to justify their belief that Ince will keep us up.

To be absolutely honest, I've never felt so dejected about a situation at my football club. Let's hope the board can offer something better than this - and soon.

exactly. all purely based on hope..

through the season, there has been a number, of highly debatable decicsions by ince, and to me, the majority of those surely didnt point in the direction of hope..

actually to me it seems hopeless

[The Prof.]

Whoa! The riggers of being a Rovers fan in the current climate:

- Manager ruining the hard work our prior manager made

- A toothless board who say they are doing the best thing for the club, but are in reality killing the club and ignoring the vast majority of the fans..

- A team paid millions a year playing like a sunday-league pub team

- The prospect of spending christmas in the relegation zone, possibly bottom of the table if people have their way!

- Fans at each others throats with regard to how the club should proceed and petty issues

- The media making sure every little snippet of news about the club is negative... Be it because all the news about the club at the moment is negative or because they want the club to seem negative?

- The prospect of not having any money to spend in the transfer market, after not replacing our right midfielder who we sold the summer before...

Just doesnt get any better does it?!

I think there is a big difference between the board and the fund holders!

[Amo]

So is the situation still in limbo or what? I need bringing up to date.

If they're backing Ince, then I have to call negligence on the board. I would like to know why they still think Ince is the man to take us forward. We were a consecutive top-ten team, physically strong and fit, but now we're relegation candidates and teams just walk through us. I can't believe they're using the Liverpool game as reason for backing Ince. We badgered them without having any real threat on goal (bar Cruz's goal and Pedersen's shot), still let in 3 easy goals, and Liverpool didn't even get out of first gear.

I'm getting fed up with this entire season. It's gone beyond a joke now. Ince is not the man to sort this mess out. He hasn't got a clue on the touchline OR in his press conferences. And for such a thick-skinned individual, he sure likes to bitch a lot.

[The Prof.]

Completely believable but where have you heard this Prof?

Ooohhhhhh now that would be telling tales SR!

[Drunx2002]

vintageadidas

There are other winnable fixtures in there - for example Bolton and Newcastle at home. PLUS you are assuming that we lose all the rest and take no single points from draws.

There is hope!

[The Prof.]

When the clock strikes midnight...

I will admit that the timing part of the story was wrong.

The background stuff and what was being done beforehand is correct.

I have re-traced a few steps today and contacted the OTHER person who got the phone call from Rovers regarding Allardyce and Souness...he confirmed all of the details.

So, something has happened since the weekend.

One way or another Rovers need to clarify the position and not just tell tame reporters about 'one' 'two' or 'five' games.

While I am at it I would like to apologise for Fowler, Andrews, Friedel, Bentley, Robinson, Carlos, Simpson, Roque, Cole, Yorke, Bellamy, McCarthy, Jack Walker putting his dough in, Kennny and Ray, Big Col going and coming back, Andy Kennedy, Kevin Gallacher, Reid, Nelsen...

Hey Hey- when there is no water a drop here and there is like nectar to a thirsty desperate man, and boy - we are desperate Nicko. Don't take it to heart.

[roverfanuk]

I think they are taking the approach of a poorly medicated man with gang green.

Sometimes if their is bad gang green/infection, the best option is to cut away the infected tissue, rather then keep installing faith that the problem will go away!

We know what the problem is, now someone needs to have the guts to cut away the problem

What difference does it make if we win against Wigan? It proves that we have won 1 match in 12?! Big whoop!

[John]

Having seen the Liverpool game - after reading that Ince had lost the support of the players - I was suprised to see the level of commitment from the players. Both the fans and the players had a chance to send a message to the board that it was time for Ince to go - neither took it, and on that basis, I think Ince bought himself one more chance to show that he can turn things around. If he doesn't take it - then he'll only have himself to blame.

I don't think with managers it should be a case of the last chance saloon. So we are going to see if we can beat Wigan and that makes everything ok? For what its worth I think its a bloody hard game for us to get any points from.

Looking at the table and our goal difference, I am close to giving up. I am finding to hard to see many positives (if any) at the moment.

Let's just hope I am being paranoid.