[Archived] Paul Ince

[Amo]

If we can't get anything from Wigan, we'll just have the same people saying 'give him to the Stoke game' etc etc. They just want to buy Ince as much time as possible.

They're forgetting where their loyalties lie.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

During the summer when we were searching for a new manager I was intrigued by the prospect of Shearer coming. I was interested in Ten Cate, and I thought Allardyce was completely the wrong choice. I never really thought about Ince until he was appointed. At the time my comment on the subject was that it was an underwhelming appointment. However, I did have complete faith in the board given that they'd chosen two successive successful managers for us in Souness and Hughes. To be fair, the jury was very much out on Hughes for me because of his lack of experience (and being manager of Wales is not commensurate with experience). However, it was a bold appointment and I was more than happy to give him time - especially because we seemed to be heading in an upwards direction. It turned out to be an excellent appointment. With that in mind I was supportive of Ince in the first instance because I instinctively like to give people a chance. I thought very clearly that the people closest to the decision, the people who had got 2 out of 2 correct before, were clearly in a better place to judge the man. I came on this board and had some debates with some people who were against Ince form the get-go. As I say, I favour giving people a chance and thought they were wrong to judge based on little or no evidence. I still think that now. Now that the evidence is in I do, however, think that Ince was and is the wrong appointment. The board had a decision to make. They haven't made a decision at all. They have run away from a decision. They have bottled it. How has Rovers descended from a club universally commended for the excellent way in which it is run to a joke and a laughing stock in little more than 6 months? How have we come from thinking of finishing 9th as failure to thinking 9 wins will save our season? It may save us from relegation but it will be the death knell for this club - good players only came here because they thought it was well run and had a chance of challenging. The ONLY decision that should have been made was for a clean start - man up, admit the mistake, and get back to being well run, hard to beat and going in an upwards direction. I'm with Den on this - I've not felt this dejected since the last relegation. The beginning of the end.

Dead right there matey, when you're in a deep hole the first thing to do is stop digging. What do you think Jack Walker would have done in this situation ? Jack would have been big enough and honest enough to hold his hand up and say " I got it wrong". Ince would have gone straight after the Sunderland game.

[yoda]

Dead right there matey, when you're in a deep hole the first thing to do is stop digging. What do you think Jack Walker would have done in this situation ? Jack would have been big enough and honest enough to hold his hand up and say " I got it wrong". Ince would have gone straight after the Sunderland game.

Jack Walker had the money

maybe the trust have put JW in a financial straight jacket

[thenodrog]

2 - I will give £1,000 to a Blackburn chairty of your choice if I don't get more transfer stories in January than those clowns.

Blackburn charity of our choice? Hmmmm.... Unless you want to contribute to the building of yet another mosque it look's like it's gonna be BRFC from now on.

[1864roverite]

andrews-squad player,but when he plays never the worst on the pitch

Wagster YOU ARE WRONG on this count, he is THE worst, FACT

what about Grella, Carlos and Fowler??? Ince buys, god knows, who he will buy come January if he is still manager of BRFC

carlos-his shetland pony legs are not big enough

fowler- rubbish

YOU ARE RIGHT on this count

1. Wigan v Rovers - Should win

2. Rovers v Stoke - Should win

3. Sunderland v Rovers - should win

4. Rovers v Man City - should win

5. Fulham v Rovers - should win

6. Rovers v Newcastle - should win

7. Rovers v Bolton - should win

8. Middlesbrough v Rovers - Will lose but should win

9. Rovers v Aston Villa - will lose but should win

10. Man Utd v Rovers - loss

11. Hull v Rovers - should win but will lose

12. Rovers v Everton - should win but will lose

13. Arsenal v Rovers - hammering

14. Rovers v West Ham - loss even though we should win

15. Rovers v Tottenham - bentley to beat us.

16. Liverpool v Rovers - hammering

17. Stoke v Rovers - should win but lose

18. Rovers v Wigan - should win.

19. Man City v Rovers - hammering

20. Rovers v Portsmouth - should win

21. Chelsea v Rovers - biggest ever away defeat

22. Rovers v West Brom - should win but lose!

The above sugestions are what we could reasonably have expected from our team.

Today, the board have taken the decision to keep Ince and co in a job, I wonder if there are any "clauses" attached other than the must win 9 game scenario ?

I am NOT happy with the outcome becasue I can see Rovers losing on Saturday, even if we saw an improved performance on the pitch at home to Liverpool. I wanted Ince and co removed because all they have shown so far is inexperience and ineptness where footbal is concerned.

I am prepared to support my team and that includes Ince. Should he lose us the game on Saturday then I am afraid that will seal his fate in my eyes, he simply will not be good enough.

Wigan away is the icing on his cake, Lose it and it seals Rovers fate in relegation and it certainly seals Ince's exit from the club.

The club had the chance to make the right changes at the right time, they have, IMo, failed its supporters.

Time will now tell and should we fall then John Williams and the board will have to shoulder the blame of relegation as well as Ince.

We move on to Saturday.

[dennis the menace]

Where is the evidence that he has fallen out with any of these players??

What makes you so certain that any other manager will turn things around??

Now I am by no means a huge fan of Paul Ince and, if he were to be sacked tomorrow I wouldn't shed any tears, but ultimately all I can do is hope that he will turn it around, just as if any other manager came in I'd hope that they would be able to turn it around - because it is by no means certain that just because someone has done ok at one club that they will be able to do the same here.

I do think that Ince has been a bit unlucky with the injuries and some other stuff, and I think he's made some mistakes too. Of the games that i've seen (not that many admittedly) there's only really the Sunderland game that stands out as being a terrible performance - and then for only 45 mins. I've certainly seen us play that badly before under Hughes and probably will again under a new manager some time in the future.

Having seen the Liverpool game - after reading that Ince had lost the support of the players - I was suprised to see the level of commitment from the players. Both the fans and the players had a chance to send a message to the board that it was time for Ince to go - neither took it, and on that basis, I think Ince bought himself one more chance to show that he can turn things around. If he doesn't take it - then he'll only have himself to blame.

there are a number if inces decisions, which i believe to be, far from whats needed, when it comes to managing and leading a premiership team..

there are a ton of examples, which proves ince incapabilities, on a number of areas .. i wont bother doing a list, its been written numerous times..

you ask, why im sure another manager would do better.. well a new one could hardly do any worse..

do you see any improvement..?

i sure as hell dont, i see a man, who doesnt cope with pressure, a man who seems to lack ideas, and i see a man talking complete rubbish at times.. "they are out to get us, they cant handle our succes as former united players" you tell me, if that is a sign of man, who is equipped to lead a team, in a battle to avoid relegation.. ??

that is a sign of man, that the pressure is getting to and an act of desperation, which clearly shows, his lack of ability to overview our situation..

people are too hung up, on the teams "performance" against liverpool, how on earth, a loss at home 1-3 is being touted as positive, is beyond my belief..

[Drunx2002]

1. Wigan v Rovers - Should win

2. Rovers v Stoke - Should win

3. Sunderland v Rovers - should win

4. Rovers v Man City - should win

5. Fulham v Rovers - should win

6. Rovers v Newcastle - should win

7. Rovers v Bolton - should win

1864 - I'll settle for that 7 game winning streak! In fact, I'll be more than happy with Paul Ince if he pulls it off

[The Prof.]

1864 - I'll settle for that 7 game winning streak! In fact, I'll be more than happy with Paul Ince if he pulls it off

And it is doable. Let's hope we get started on Saturday.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Seems to me the board have put themselves in the firing line now, any flak coming should be aimed at Ince and the board equally.

[arealbrfcfan]

I couldnt believe what i heard on bbc about Saturdays performance stated as ' A boost' , thats BS. If we can mask a 3-1 defeat at home as 'a boost', then its over. Thats probably what Hull should be saying since they were many leagues down not too long ago.

We as supporters are being fobbed off, he came into this club to give his old mates a job(winterburn, Fowler). Fair do's Winterburn was a class defender but since he came here the situation has got progressively , what's this guy actually been brought into the club to do? it isnt working.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

It sounds to me, that our board are incapable of anything more than "hope". Would they run their businesses built on hope? If their own personal business was falling down, would they sit back and do nothing?

I asked weeks ago, that they be decisive and what have we got?

No leadership.

No statement to the fans on the situation

No backing for Ince.

No sacking of Ince.

No real money to help Ince.

No apparent agreement at board level, on the manager situation.

A Chairman who doesn't agree with the trustees input.

No argument they can put forward to justify their belief that Ince will keep us up.

To be absolutely honest, I've never felt so dejected about a situation at my football club. Let's hope the board can offer something better than this - and soon.

Well summed up

[Athlete]

Lose on saturday and we can safely kiss the Premiership goodbye - what will happen after Saturday more time for Ince ??????

Lose on saturday and we can safely kiss the Premiership goodbye - what will happen after Saturday more time for Ince ??????

when we are securely marooned in the bottom 3 ???

Lose on saturday and we can safely kiss the Premiership goodbye - what will happen after Saturday more time for Ince ??????

Lose on saturday and we can safely kiss the Premiership goodbye - what will happen after Saturday more time for Ince ??????

when we are securely marooned in the bottom 3 ???

total kop out from JW he should go

[thenodrog]

I disagree a lot of posters on this mb have been against ince from day one,calling for his head when we lost a game in pre season.

Truth is that events have proven those posters to be valued judges of the appointment, whereas you have a funny way of admitting that your judgemant was fatally flawed right from the start of his tenure.

[The Prof.]

Wagster YOU ARE WRONG on this count, he is THE worst, FACT

YOU ARE RIGHT on this count

1. Wigan v Rovers - Should win

2. Rovers v Stoke - Should win

3. Sunderland v Rovers - should win

4. Rovers v Man City - should win

5. Fulham v Rovers - should win

6. Rovers v Newcastle - should win

7. Rovers v Bolton - should win

8. Middlesbrough v Rovers - Will lose but should win

9. Rovers v Aston Villa - will lose but should win

10. Man Utd v Rovers - loss

11. Hull v Rovers - should win but will lose

12. Rovers v Everton - should win but will lose

13. Arsenal v Rovers - hammering

14. Rovers v West Ham - loss even though we should win

15. Rovers v Tottenham - bentley to beat us.

16. Liverpool v Rovers - hammering

17. Stoke v Rovers - should win but lose

18. Rovers v Wigan - should win.

19. Man City v Rovers - hammering

20. Rovers v Portsmouth - should win

21. Chelsea v Rovers - biggest ever away defeat

22. Rovers v West Brom - should win but lose!

The above sugestions are what we could reasonably have expected from our team.

Today, the board have taken the decision to keep Ince and co in a job, I wonder if there are any "clauses" attached other than the must win 9 game scenario ?

I am NOT happy with the outcome becasue I can see Rovers losing on Saturday, even if we saw an improved performance on the pitch at home to Liverpool. I wanted Ince and co removed because all they have shown so far is inexperience and ineptness where footbal is concerned.

I am prepared to support my team and that includes Ince. Should he lose us the game on Saturday then I am afraid that will seal his fate in my eyes, he simply will not be good enough.

Wigan away is the icing on his cake, Lose it and it seals Rovers fate in relegation and it certainly seals Ince's exit from the club.

The club had the chance to make the right changes at the right time, they have, IMo, failed its supporters.

Time will now tell and should we fall then John Williams and the board will have to shoulder the blame of relegation as well as Ince.

We move on to Saturday.

BRFC it's up with Sir Winston!....."We will fight them on the beaches and in the fields, we will fight them in the streets...." That's the spirit.

You've sold it. I'll buy some tickets and be there. I'm not going to no pie eating town and dissing our club in front of a bunch of ex moles.

"We shall never surrender.."

[Wiggy]

Strange goings on in the boardroom. There wouldn't be much point changing manager if they've no one to change to!

Maybe BFS and Souness have knocked them back and they've had to stick for the time being. Certainly BFS has made a public pitch for the Mackems job today. What a fine mess we've got ourselves into!

[roverfanuk]

Avram Grant?

The guy doesnt get enough credit!

[The Prof.]

Strange goings on in the boardroom. There wouldn't be much point changing manager if they've no one to change to!

Maybe BFS and Souness have knocked them back and they've had to stick for the time being. Certainly BFS has made a public pitch for the Mackems job today. What a fine mess we've got ourselves into!

I think this has happened! See my earlier thread

Avram Grant?

The guy doesnt get enough credit!

I'll give him some. he's not stupid enough to come either.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

I'm reading the comments from our board,our manager and some fans and its truly frightening stuff,there is almost an inevitablilty that the abyss that is the Championship beckons for Rovers.Its almost as if people have given up Jacks and our dream of Premiership football....why the hell has it come to this?

It feels as if we are leaderless on and off the pitch.

[The Prof.]

I'm reading the comments from our board,our manager and some fans and its truly frightening stuff,there is almost an inevitablilty that the abyss that is the Championship beckons for Rovers.Its almost as if people have given up Jacks and our dream of Premiership football....why the hell has it come to this?

It feels as if we are leaderless on and off the pitch.

Phew - beginning to think I was the last person alive

[John]

Strange goings on in the boardroom. There wouldn't be much point changing manager if they've no one to change to!

Maybe BFS and Souness have knocked them back and they've had to stick for the time being.

That what I was thinking................ feels a bit like slow torture at the moment. Oh well, back to concentrating on getting 3 points versus Wigan.

[ebenrocks]

could someone clarify-

Williams little ultimatum thing, is it:

1. We must win next 9 games, if we lose even 1 then Ince gets fired

2. We must win 9 out of 22 and if ince doesnt do that he gets fired

??

first one sounds good to me.

[Atty]

I’m looking forward to Robbie Fowler singing a deal when his current one expires in Jan and Ince blaming lack of funding available.

THE board is a shambles and uncle jack would have never had let this happen he would of fired Ince after the Sunderland game.

So we are going into the next two games expecting to win against two lesser opposition even though they are higher in the league and on better form then us.

The board must think that Ince is magician and he is going to stop the team leaking two goals a game and we are all of a sudden going to start scoring goals instead of long ball to rocky or short passing then running into a brick wall. Even the games we won we have been lucky.

JW look at the table and the stats what makes you thinks Ince can turn this around

The last 16 games to go by we are all going on a championship tour. It’s not all Ince faults the board have to take the blame as well for lack of investment and appointing an league 2 manager and his backroom staff in the first place.

Can’t wait for January here a few on Ince shortlist of players John Barnes, Steve McManaman a couple of MK Dons players and Macclesfield striker to replace rocky.

Ill supports the team but not INCE and if we do end up in the championship then JW has to go as well.

[islander200]

Truth is that events have proven those posters to be valued judges of the appointment, whereas you have a funny way of admitting that your judgemant was fatally flawed right from the start of his tenure.

I will wait until he has had proper time in the job to admit if i was wrong

[thenodrog]

Dead right there matey, when you're in a deep hole the first thing to do is stop digging. What do you think Jack Walker would have done in this situation ? Jack would have been big enough and honest enough to hold his hand up and say " I got it wrong". Ince would have gone straight after the Sunderland game.

Jack Walker was competely in charge of proceedings and answerable to no-one, John Williams is quite obviously not.

[John]

Picture from this morning's board meeting.