[Archived] Paul Ince

[nicko]

OK, hands up, got the timing of the sacking wrong.

Teach me to think that a club checking out replacements has got the balls to finish the task...

Been thinking about John Williams's comments on the number of games needed to win - and the lack of action today.

If one of those '9 winnable games' goes by without a win at Wigan on Saturday then maybe that is the time to act.

I should stress this is just speculation, but it would justify the board saying they had given the manager every chance before they 'had' to act.

I don't agree with the Guardian story about the Trustees wanting rid of the manager, it wasn't a Trustee who was calling other Premier League chairmen and sounding out players last week.

I believe there is a split about who to appoint next - and that other names are also being considered.

You have to be careful here that the possible successors go elsewhere or just reckon the job ain't worth it because the club ain't saveable.

I would suggest Wigan on Saturday is the biggest game in your recent history.

[Brownie]

Nothing wrong with the info and even your story.

The only thing you got wrong was the assumption Rovers were about to finish the process they had started last week. An assumption I suppose journalists have to make to beat the rest of the sports reporters.

[roverfanuk]

OK, hands up, got the timing of the sacking wrong.

If their is a sacking at all regardless?!

How many games until Ince's position becomes unmanagable?

My fear is that we will draw the game against Wigan and that will install faith in the board...

I know im going to get a virtual bitchslap for saying this, but this is the first time in my life that i am hoping for a couple of defeats for the sake of Rovers future!

[nicko]

Nothing wrong with the info and even your story.

The only thing you got wrong was the assumption Rovers were about to finish the process they had started last week. An assumption I suppose journalists have to make to beat the rest of the sports reporters.

No, a lesson learned.

[Hughesy]

Cheers for that Nicko.

[nicko]

If their is a sacking at all regardless?!

My fear is that we will draw the game against Wigan and that will install faith in the board...

I know im going to get a virtual bitchslap for saying this, but this is the first time in my life that i am hoping for a couple of defeats for the sake of Rovers future!

I have to salute Tyrone Shoelaces at this stage after checking tonight's comments. Observation of the week.

He's got it in one.

What would Jack have done?

I don't think I have to provide that answer.

[Brownie]

I have to salute Tyrone Shoelaces at this stage after checking tonight's comments. Observation of the week.

He's got it in one.

What would Jack have done?

I don't think I have to provide that answer.

And Hodgson's record and pedigree was far greater than Mr Ince's.

[DingleBaiter]

OK, hands up, got the timing of the sacking wrong.

Teach me to think that a club checking out replacements has got the balls to finish the task...

Credit to you Nicko, law of averages would always get you one day You took a punt in saying what you thought would happen & would have had great delight in saying 'keep up', but hey, it happens - no biggie. Just goes to show not everything is black and white after all in life.

Think all the club have achieved really is to draw a line in the sand, whilst preparing their contingencies. If/when Ince flakes they can then appear to be addressing the issue, whilst balancing their reputation for stability & getting their defence in before the inevitable claims that will be forthcoming from your bunny-suit wearing work colleague & his ilk.

[Hughesy]

Uncle Jack wouldnt of even appointed him because he would of given Hughes money 18 months ago to spend on players to make us top 4 again.

[BuckyRover]

If their is a sacking at all regardless?!

How many games until Ince's position becomes unmanagable?

My fear is that we will draw the game against Wigan and that will install faith in the board...

I know im going to get a virtual bitchslap for saying this, but this is the first time in my life that i am hoping for a couple of defeats for the sake of Rovers future!

No "great" manager is going to join us if we lose to Wigan and Stoke. The only thing good thing that can happen here is wins against Wigan and Stoke. Then we will gain confidence and Christmas will be an enjoyable occasion.

A defeat against Wigan and I think the board will act, although I think it might be too late, especially if we have no money. A win on the other hand and the players will get better and a lot of pressure will be lifted. It is a confidence thing. Paul Ince has to motivate the players this week. This is where we see what he is made of.

I hope we come through it.....

And Hodgson's record and pedigree was far greater than Mr Ince's.

and that worked.....

Obvious. I said earlier that Allardyce has us on a spike now.

Like a jilted lover.

Being out of the game must be really hard for him. How is he coping?

[nicko]

I have a horrible feeling that the 'leak' story in the Saturday papers cocked the whole job up.

Just a gut thing...and I have got enough of that.

If the change had been seen to be clean it would probably have happened...

Just a theory, but something nags me that it was probably a factor.

[Tom]

In fact, if this is true, allow me to be the first person to say:

PAUL INCE AND JOHN WILLIAMS OUT!!!

Sorry pal Frisky Jim beat you to that a long long time ago

[roverfanuk]

No "great" manager is going to join us if we lose to Wigan and Stoke. The only thing good thing that can happen here is wins against Wigan and Stoke. Then we will gain confidence and Christmas will be an enjoyable occasion.

A defeat against Wigan and I think the board will act, although I think it might be too late, especially if we have no money. A win on the other hand and the players will get better and a lot of pressure will be lifted. It is a confidence thing. Paul Ince has to motivate the players this week. This is where we see what he is made of.

Wow you actually managed to make your point without actually deciding on which side of the tracks your on so to speak.

What are you hoping for against Wigan? A defeat so we can get rid of Ince and bring in someone more experienced, or a win, which will result in Ince being given more time, and doubtless more defeats...?

Im voting for a defeat against Wigan, Ince sacked, and us offering the job to Big Sam, Curbs or Avram Grant!

As if things werent bad enough for the club. It appears the Official Forum has died:

Unfortunately the messageboard has experienced a pretty serious outage and is currently offline. Updates will appear here as and when there is any news, but it isn't looking good right now.

I think Paul Ince has sneaked into the IT room to stop people saying nasty things about him...

[TugaysMarlboro]

Well lets get behind them all shall we?

[BuckyRover]

Strangely enough, as I am a Blackburn Rovers fan and want the best for Blackburn Rovers, I am voting for a WIN (that is what football fans desire for their team) against Wigan on Saturday and a WIN against Stoke next weekend and an end to this horrible attitude on the messageboard.

As you want Wigan to win I suggest you go out and purchase a Zaki shirt in preparation for the weekend.

See you Saturday 6pm for the reckoning.

I am excited.

Also,

The only thing good thing that can happen here is wins against Wigan and Stoke. Then we will gain confidence and Christmas will be an enjoyable occasion.

.

I already mentioned what I wanted.

Any fan of Blackburn Rovers wants us to win our next few games and wants Ince to do well. If you don't care about results and only care about the manager then I suggest you should follow something else.

[roverfanuk]

If we have to loose a couple of games to win more under a different manager, then for the sake of the club i have to hope for the short term worse, to have a brighter long-term future...

[Brownie]

Damning facts in the Mail

UEFA ProLicence 2007 intake (Qualified in 2008)

David Parnaby, Kevin Ball, Martin Gray, Russell Wilcox, Gary Ablett, Ian McParland, Steve Beaglehole, Brendan Rodgers, John Dungworth, John Schofield, Maureen Marley, Paul Brush, Mark Proctor, Steve Agnew, Roy Keane, Dean Smith, Nas Bashir, Ricki Herbert, Siggi Eyjolfsson, Jim Hicks, Adrian Whitbread.

UEFA ProLicence 2008 intake (Scheduled to qualify in 2009)

Neil Bailey, Wayne Allison, David Hockaday, Sean McAuley, Peter Shirtliff, Jamie Robinson, Adam Sadler, Gareth Southgate, Colin Cooper, Kenny Swain, Lee Richardson, Gudjon Thordarson, Tony Loughlan, Jon Rudkin, Malcolm Crosby, Graeme Jones, Mike Phelan, Dan Ashworth.

Ince cannot be on that ProLicence list because he doesn't even hold the UEFA B licence, too busy on the golf course when he was manager of Macclesfield, MK Dons and Blackburn to spare the time to learn the ropes.

He didn't even bother completing the League Manager's Association course in Applied Football Management at Warwick Business School, walking out on it when he thought he had the management game sussed at Macclesfield.

Shooting his mouth off and showing signs of paranoia when he made his ludicrous 'vendetta' claims, it is just the kind of ammunition Blackburn's increasingly anxious directors are looking for.

He should be concentrating on the team, spending time on the training pitches and making running repairs to a team who are rapidly running out of time in the Premier League.

[roverfanuk]

Daily Mail Quality Article

Ince short of common sense and his ludicrous 'vendetta' claims could be last straw for Blackburn's anxious directors

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...-directors.html

Quality:

Admittedly, he will not learn that on a coaching course. It was just common sense, something he has shown very little of during his short spell at Ewood Park.

[islander200]

Disgracefull. After all the messages JW has sent to fans who took time to write emails to him saying he would do what was best for the club. If he has completely ignored the fans and the board. He should be ashaimed of himself...

In fact, if this is true, allow me to be the first person to say:

PAUL INCE AND JOHN WILLIAMS OUT!!!

It's painfully obvious Williams is far more interested in proving a point, and making sure that anybody who takes over knows he is in charge. Then the wellbeing of the club!

What utter rubbsh you talk,williams has a far better idea of whats goin on inside the dressing oom than you(or have you also got a source close to the club)What should jw do give in to people who dont have a clue whats going on behind the scenes,give in to the same fans who threatened riots if big sam got the job,but are now hailing the same man as the messiah.JW has been a wonderful chairman for this club

but now we are going through a bad patch you want him gone.It is you who should be ashamed

[islander200]

If we have to loose a couple of games to win more under a different manager, then for the sake of the club i have to hope for the short term worse, to have a brighter long-term future...

Why do you want paul ince to fail?

[RevidgeBlue]

I have a horrible feeling that the 'leak' story in the Saturday papers cocked the whole job up.

Just a gut thing...and I have got enough of that.

If the change had been seen to be clean it would probably have happened...

Just a theory, but something nags me that it was probably a factor.

For heaven's sake nicko..............your story was completely wrong. Let it go now, I wasn't actually going to mention it again.

You may have been right that phone calls to Allardyce and Souness were made. It may be the case that they both told us to go forth and multiply because of the lack of funding.

But to say Ince was already gone, to be confirmed by Monday was completely wrong.

If you'd have said something like "Because of results Ince's job is in jeapordy with names such as Souness and Allardyce under consideration" I'm sure you'd have been right.

As the old saying goes, when in a hole stop digging!.

Edit: P.S. Familiar theme recurring here, I vaguely recall you claiming 15 months ago that one of the reason's Dan Wiliams takeover fell through was that one of his his backers (Princeton Asset Management?) were "spooked" by their interest being made public.

Perhaps if you're that keen for something to happen in future again you should keep schtuum?

[thenodrog]

Uncle Jack wouldnt of even appointed him because he would of given Hughes money 18 months ago to spend on players to make us top 4 again.

Wonder where those two could have taken us in a parallel existence.

[RevidgeBlue]

Daily Mail Quality Article

Ince short of common sense and his ludicrous 'vendetta' claims could be last straw for Blackburn's anxious directors

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...-directors.html

Quality:

What a scandalously inaccurate article that is. Oh, hang on, it's a blog.

Oh hang on, it's in the Daily Mail (Again)

What a surprise!

[roverfanuk]

williams has a far better idea of whats goin on inside the dressing oom than you(or have you also got a source close to the club)

Nope i dont have a source at the club. I just have a little bit of common sense, something that seemingly flew out of your head many a year ago.

If you wait for a minute to think about whats going on, and look at the individual players at the club, you will start to notice a patern emerging. Yes many of these were reported in papers, and many of them are subject to doubt. But the shear volume would suggest something is very wrong in the team and at the club.

- André Ooijer - Wants out of the club, and has been been being played out of position for quite a while now when played...

- Stephen Warnock - Reported to be interested in the move to Newcastle during the summer transfer window...

- Christopher Samba - Reported to have had a bust up with Ince...

- Tugay - Has been talked about becoming assistant to Souness, and has been said to be in favour of a Souness return. Why would he be interested in this if he was happy about Ince's management...

- Ryan Nelsen - Has been suprisingly vocal about giving Ince more time. Has been one of 3/4 direct reasons for us conceeding more goals this season. Interesting he has been so vocal about supporting Ince, has nothing im sure to do with Ince wanting to bulster the defence, and him being worried about loosing his place/captaincy..?

Brett Emerton

- Roque Santa Cruz - Signed a new deal (with release clause included) and is suddenly in the last month been very interested in a move elsewhere... Interesting timing!

- Benni McCarthy - Has been our best striker in the last 5 matches. But still on the bench. Left till late sub appearences...

- Vince Grella - Signed after a apparently short scouting trip, now injured. Has history of injuries, but gaffer still wasted 5 million of the clubs money on him!

- Morten Gamst Pedersen - Another player who has come out in favour of Ince and giving him more time. Again, im sure it's not because of his poor performances and worried that a other manager might come in and sell him. He knows he's assured of a place with Ince...

- Johann Vogel - Has been mysteriously missing from the squad when central midfielders have been badly needed? Dissapearence from the squad strangely coincided with the report of a player saying the players were unhappy with the boards appointment. Has been actively seaking a move since Ince arrived...

- Aaron Mokoena - Another player who wants a move. Is not happy at the club.

- Keith Andrews - A player who in all rights, should not be at the club... Doubt he would go against Ince...

- Carlos Villanueva - Another player excluded from a bunch of matches when an attacking presence was badly needed. Has also been played out of his favoured position, and is now missing from the starting XI

- Robbie Fowler - A signing which again bothered the fans, and im sure miffed some of the squad. Keeps getting suprise sub appearences at the wrong time of matches... Also, only team interested in signing him is Championship side Grimsby... But hey, we will probably extend his deal!

- Keith Treacy - Played a few matches and then disappeared. Is starting to play again...

- Matt Derbyshire - Have heard he is currently disappointed by whats happening. Being played in a position he is known to hate. Ie. RM... Was also said to be disappointed by the appointment of Ince...

- Jason Roberts - Was played near enough non-stop until given new deal, now hasnt been seen since...

- Jason Brown - Played some stonkers earlier this season. But as soon as Robinson came back to fitness, was relegated to the bench...

- Mark Bunn - Ince signing, hasn't been seen outside the reserves. Rumours that a return to Northampton might be on the cards...

- Bentley - Ince made the excuse that he didnt have enough time to find a replacement for Bentley, when all he had to do is say Bentley would be staying until January, at which point we would have found a replacement. If he had done this, we would have had a midfielder who can provide regular assists to Roque, and he would be more likely able to spend the money we got for Bentley, straight after in January! Bentley obviously didnt have any confidence in Ince to bring in European football...

What should jw do give in to people who dont have a clue whats going on behind the scenes,give in to the same fans who threatened riots if big sam got the job,but are now hailing the same man as the messiah.JW has been a wonderful chairman for this club

Look at the facts? Look at the fact we are near the bottom of the table with a similar team that achieved European football the season before.

I love the way you ignored the fact that it was reported the whole board were upset at the lack of experienced coached being at the club. Something that was reported to be setting the manager on a collision course with the clubs board.

We have played 10 lost seven and drawn 3... Statistics show the majority of teams that are in the bottom 3 come xmas are relegated. Even more so when they stick with their manager...

but now we are going through a bad patch you want him gone.It is you who should be ashamed

No it's Ince that should be ashaimed for the position he has put our club in.

It's Williams who should be ashaimed for seemingly ignoring the other board members as reported. For ignoring the fans that have supported and experienced the clubs highs and lows for decades! For fobbing off the fans emails, saying he has the clubs best interests at hand, when he is seemingly putting the clubs future in the Premier League at risk...

I was not one of the people who signed up for the facebook petition or any other petition. I did think their were better options for the manager job at the club.

Avram Grant, Henk ten Cate, Michael Laudrup and Didier Deschamps for instance.

Williams decided however to gamble with the clubs future, with a inexperienced manager, who had never managed above League 2, and hasnt even got his coaching badges!

Shame on me though, for showing concern about the clubs current status and being of the opinion that their are better more experienced managers out their, who would be more likely to get us out of this position then Ince...

Why do you want paul ince to fail?

I didn't want Ince to fail. But that doesnt defeat the fact that he has. We are now fighting relegation when we should be fighting for mid table/european football...

Oh and before you suggest it, when Ince was appointed i was in full support of the club and the manager, but this has now ended (support for the manager and not for the club) because of where we are...

[RevidgeBlue]

Nope i dont have a source at the club. I just have a little bit of common sense, something that seemingly flew out of your head many a year ago.

If you wait for a minute to think about whats going on, and look at the individual players at the club, you will start to notice a patern emerging.

- André Ooijer - Wants out of the club, and has been been being played out of position for quite a while now when played...

- Stephen Warnock - Reported to be interested in the move to Newcastle during the summer transfer window...

- Christopher Samba - Reported to have had a bust up with Ince...

- Tugay - Has been talked about becoming assistant to Souness, and has been said to be in favour of a Souness return. Why would he be interested in this if he was happy about Ince's management...

- Ryan Nelsen - Has been suprisingly vocal about giving Ince more time. Has been one of 3/4 direct reasons for us conceeding more goals this season. Interesting he has been so vocal about supporting Ince, has nothing im sure to do with Ince wanting to bulster the defence, and him being worried about loosing his place/captaincy..?

Brett Emerton

- Roque Santa Cruz - Signed a new deal (with release clause included) and is suddenly in the last month been very interested in a move elsewhere... Interesting timing!

- Benni McCarthy - Has been our best striker in the last 5 matches. But still on the bench. Left till late sub appearences...

- Vince Grella - Signed after a apparently short scouting trip, now injured. Has history of injuries, but gaffer still wasted 5 million of the clubs money on him!

- Morten Gamst Pedersen - Another player who has come out in favour of Ince and giving him more time. Again, im sure it's not because of his poor performances and worried that a other manager might come in and sell him. He knows he's assured of a place with Ince...

- Johann Vogel - Has been mysteriously missing from the squad when central midfielders have been badly needed? Dissapearence from the squad strangely coincided with the report of a player saying the players were unhappy with the boards appointment. Has been actively seaking a move since Ince arrived...

- Aaron Mokoena - Another player who wants a move. Is not happy at the club.

- Keith Andrews - A player who in all rights, should not be at the club... Doubt he would go against Ince...

- Carlos Villanueva - Another player excluded from a bunch of matches when an attacking presence was badly needed. Has also been played out of his favoured position, and is now missing from the starting XI

- Robbie Fowler - A signing which again bothered the fans, and im sure miffed some of the squad. Keeps getting suprise sub appearences at the wrong time of matches... Also, only team interested in signing him is Championship side Grimsby... But hey, we will probably extend his deal!

- Keith Treacy - Played a few matches and then disappeared. Is starting to play again...

- Matt Derbyshire - Have heard he is currently disappointed by whats happening. Being played in a position he is known to hate. Ie. RM... Was also said to be disappointed by the appointment of Ince...

- Jason Roberts - Was played near enough non-stop until given new deal, now hasnt been seen since...

- Jason Brown - Played some stonkers earlier this season. But as soon as Robinson came back to fitness, was relegated to the bench...

- Mark Bunn - Ince signing, hasn't been seen outside the reserves. Rumours that a return to Northampton might be on the cards...

- Bentley - Ince made the excuse that he didnt have enough time to find a replacement for Bentley, when all he had to do is say Bentley would be staying until January, at which point we would have found a replacement. If he had done this, we would have had a midfielder who can provide regular assists to Roque, and he would be more likely able to spend the money we got for Bentley, straight after in January! Bentley obviously didnt have any confidence in Ince to bring in European football...

Look at the facts? Look at the fact we are near the bottom of the table with a similar team that achieved European football the season before.

I love the way you ignored the fact that it was reported the whole board were upset at the lack of experienced coached being at the club. Something that was reported to be setting the manager on a collision course with the clubs board.

We have played 10 lost seven and drawn 3... Statistics show the majority of teams that are in the bottom 3 come xmas are relegated. Even more so when they stick with their manager...

No it's Ince that should be ashaimed for the position he has put our club in.

It's Williams who should be ashaimed for seemingly ignoring the other board members as reported. For ignoring the fans that have supported and experienced the clubs highs and lows for decades! For fobbing off the fans emails, saying he has the clubs best interests at hand, when he is seemingly putting the clubs future in the Premier League at risk...

I was not one of the people who signed up for the facebook petition or any other petition. I did think their were better options for the manager job at the club.

Avram Grant, Henk ten Cate, Michael Laudrup and Didier Deschamps for instance.

Williams decided however to gamble with the clubs future, with a inexperienced manager, who had never managed above League 2, and hasnt even got his coaching badges!

Shame on me though, for showing concern about the clubs current status and being of the opinion that their are better more experienced managers out their, who would be more likely to get us out of this position then Ince...

I didn't want Ince to fail. But that doesnt defeat the fact that he has. We are now fighting relegation when we should be fighting for mid table/european football...

Oh and before you suggest it, when Ince was appointed i was in full support of the club and the manager, but this has now ended because of where we are...

JFHC I don't kmow where to start with that post............

Ooijer expressed a desire to finish his carer in Holland long before Ince got here.

Warnock: only place rumours of the Newcastle move came from were nicko. Told a member of the m/b in person (Hughesey I think) that he wasn't interested in Newcastle.

Samba: Rumours of bust up - only source nicko

Tugay: He has never talked about becoming assistant to Souness or indicated he was in favour of a Souness return.

Nelsen: He is the Captain and as such has wholeheartedly backed Ince.

Emerton: A positive under Ince - not surprised you left that blank

RSC: If coincidental, that isn't Ince's fault, indeed it was a result to get him to sign the new deal

Benni: Only reason he hasn't featured more regularly is that he turned up for the new season like Michelin Man and is only just getting fully fit.

Grella: Hindsight and a bit of research on the net is great isn't it. Did you complain at the time?

MGP: Of course he never played bably under Hughes for the last two seasons did he?

Vogel: I thought he'd dug his heels in and vowed to see his contract out whether he played or not?

Mokoena: Isn't good enough and is nearing the end of his contract anyway

Andrews: Has performed better than most this season

Carlos: Is he cut out for the physical rigour of the Premiership?

Treacy: Was given a chance. Not good enough.

Fowler: There's no indication that his presence upsets any of the other players. Nor is there any indication he'll get an extended deal.

Derbyshire: Hughes played him in the same position as well. Who said he was disappointed by Ince's appointment exactly?

Roberts: Lost form completely after a good start. That's Roberts' fault.

Brown: "Stonkers" Like letting a soft free kick in against Grimsby?

Bunn: So what?

Bentley: Wanted to leave when Hughes was here, had we forced him to stay we could have had the dolloper from the second half of last season/Ramos Spurs version

It's not the first time we've suffered a sharp dip with a team in decline, Souness took us from 6th to 15th in one fell swoop, it ain't Xmas yet and the statistic actually is the team that is BOTTOM at Christmas usually goes down.

Other than that I agree with everything you've said!