[Archived] Paul Ince

[roverfanuk]

Ooijer - Was willing to 'keep his options open': http://msnsport.skysports.com/story/0,1952...4454871,00.html

Warnock - The same Hughesy (no offence Hughesy) that told me the night before last on PM that he was 200% sure Ince would be leaving in the morning?

Samba- Read it the other day in one of the spreadsheets... Cant find a link though... Sure someoen else mentioned it on here...

Tugay: Hmm... Guess that was another false Nicko rumour... But oh wait?! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...s.html?ITO=1490

Nelsen: He is the Captain and as such has wholeheartedly backed Ince Yes so he can retain his place in the squad...?

Emerton: Signed a new deal i know. But did he ever say anything about Ince... I dont know...? He is pretty quiet with regards to the media, thats why i didnt refer to him?

RSC: If coincidental, that isn't Ince's fault, indeed it was a result to get him to sign the new deal - It isn't Ince's fault that a release clause for a specific amount was included when he knew we need him to survive. I have no doubt that he will leave in January. Ince knew their were clubs around that would pay for his services, and still added the clause anyway?!

Benni: Only reason he hasn't featured more regularly is that he turned up for the new season like Michelin Man and is only just getting fully fit. - And yet he is the only player who has scored goals over multiple games?

Grella: Hindsight and a bit of research on the net is great isn't it. (Isn't it just, what should i do, ring him up and ask if he had a history of injuries. Maybe a question Ince should of asked before shelling 5 million on him?) - Did you complain at the time? - Funnily enough i did! I said it was stupid to spend so much on a reletively old player in the grand scheme of things when he has no Premier League experience...?

MGP: He played badly under Hughes and now Ince, the fact he has done so would have limited his chances of staying if a new manager came in. Also, considering his poor performances, Treacy became quite a option, and im sure the only reason he came out in favour of Ince was to make sure he had more of a chance to stay in the squad!

Vogel: I thought he'd dug his heels in and vowed to see his contract out whether he played or not? - http://www.blackburn.vitalfootball.co.uk/a...le.asp?a=129511

Mokoena - Regardless of him not being good enough and contract etc... He is one of only few central midfielders we have...

Andrews: Has performed better than most this season - Pretty good indicator of how poorly our midfield is fairing under Ince...

Carlos: Is he cut out for the physical rigour of the Premiership? - He likes to think so, but it's not like were actually giving him a chance in his favoured position when were lacking in central midfielders... The fans have even been singing for him to play?!

Treacy: Was given a chance. Not good enough. - The very same player people were singing praises about 6 weeks ago. Funny how a young player isnt allowed a chance, but the man who manages him is...?

Fowler: As i said, shouldn't be here at the moment. Is not the quality we need. Their is no doubt that Ince is risking matches by playing him. Their have been games where Ince would rather use Fowler then Derbs, Benni and Roberts... Sorry for me thats just wrong!

Derbyshire - As reported by several people on here a while back, he said he was disappointed with Ince in the Rovers bar. Several people mentioned it... Just because Hughes played Derbs at RM it doesnt mean it's ok for Ince too. In fact he is having to play their more because we just don't have anyone else to put there. Reason why? Ince not replacing or getting a standin for Bentley

Roberts - Better then Fowler, and played in the majority of our victories and draws, regardless of whether he scored or not. Of which he did in the games we won. He doesn't play? How many games have we won in the last 10?!

Brown: What you call a soft freekick i call a excellent goal... He was superb vs Manu... But hey, lets play Robbo... How many goals have we condeeded under him?

Bunn - A groups morale doesnt matter? So what? It's not like it has a knock on effect ever?!

Bentley - Had we forced him to stay we would have either had a) an actual right midfielder wanting to earn a move with good performances till January or a player that ended up staying at the club after declaring we wanted him to stay and weren't going to accept any offer... Ala Barry. But hey, far easier to sell, loose the majority midfielder who provided assists for our top goalscorer when you can have a player who has already failed at RM in the past (Emerton) and a player who detests that position and has never been succesfull there in the past!

[steverovers]

Wow!

Follow that lot!!

[brfc4ever]

I had a dream last night. I dream of days so very very long ago. Oh no.. Actually not that long ago. Just feels that way.

A dream, where I always look forward to my beloved team's next game. No matter who we played. Cause I truly believed we

could beat anybody.

A dream where i wore my Rovers shirts with enormous pride. Just waiting for someone to ask "Why Blackburn ?", so i could

teach them about football. About a club who was always pushing for Europe. A top Premier League club, who did it, not with

saudi billions and £50 mill. players, but by Arte et Labore !

Whenever I was in a bad mood, all I had to do, was to think about the Rovers. MY club ! And the sun would shine again.

Nowadays i try not to think about it too much. Cause my heart feels heavy, my stomach hurts and my eyes gets wet. So

I try to get trough the day without thinking about it. But i cannot control my dreams at night.

How could this happen ? Why don't they stop it ? Now JW's aim is another 9 wins, and "just" surviving. Just half a season ago

the target was Europe. How can one man be allowed to turn MY club upside down i such a short time ? And how can he NOT

be unemployed by now ?

Gotta stop here. Tears are on the way... Again..

btw. Excuse my English. I'm danish

[Zulu]

OK, hands up, got the timing of the sacking wrong.

Teach me to think that a club checking out replacements has got the balls to finish the task...

Been thinking about John Williams's comments on the number of games needed to win - and the lack of action today.

If one of those '9 winnable games' goes by without a win at Wigan on Saturday then maybe that is the time to act.

I should stress this is just speculation, but it would justify the board saying they had given the manager every chance before they 'had' to act.

I don't agree with the Guardian story about the Trustees wanting rid of the manager, it wasn't a Trustee who was calling other Premier League chairmen and sounding out players last week.

I believe there is a split about who to appoint next - and that other names are also being considered.

You have to be careful here that the possible successors go elsewhere or just reckon the job ain't worth it because the club ain't saveable.

I would suggest Wigan on Saturday is the biggest game in your recent history.

I've just trawled through the overnight posts on here - and this comment from Nicko caught my eye. I think it's the most telling comment in the overnight debate. You are rapidly moving into a "not saveable" situation, mainly due to the incredible vacillation and shenanigans currently being shown by your directors - and the results achieved by Blackburn and others, of course. I don't think I have ever seen a managerial situation handled worse in recent times.

My personal view, stated previously, is that Allardyce is a "no brainer" for you. He is the best shot you have of survival - forget entertaining football. Stay up! (unless he's told JW to do one, of course. Which is quite possible.) Charlton Athletic play lovely football - the media think they are great. They are bottom of the Chumpionship this morning.

And this is not a Bolton fan gloating over your current situation. There but for the grace of God, and all that. I would rather be playing you next season than West Ham, Spuds or many others.

[yoda]

So Vinjay was right afterall. Re-instate him to the messageboard.

I was thinking in the last week or so (ie the cost of sacking PI)

If you want Vinjay back canvas the mods.

[gillibrand]

I see JW as the captain of the Titanic, and Rovers will never surface again once it goes down!

[Athlete]

Damning facts in the Mail

UEFA ProLicence 2007 intake (Qualified in 2008)

David Parnaby, Kevin Ball, Martin Gray, Russell Wilcox, Gary Ablett, Ian McParland, Steve Beaglehole, Brendan Rodgers, John Dungworth, John Schofield, Maureen Marley, Paul Brush, Mark Proctor, Steve Agnew, Roy Keane, Dean Smith, Nas Bashir, Ricki Herbert, Siggi Eyjolfsson, Jim Hicks, Adrian Whitbread.

UEFA ProLicence 2008 intake (Scheduled to qualify in 2009)

Neil Bailey, Wayne Allison, David Hockaday, Sean McAuley, Peter Shirtliff, Jamie Robinson, Adam Sadler, Gareth Southgate, Colin Cooper, Kenny Swain, Lee Richardson, Gudjon Thordarson, Tony Loughlan, Jon Rudkin, Malcolm Crosby, Graeme Jones, Mike Phelan, Dan Ashworth.

Ince cannot be on that ProLicence list because he doesn't even hold the UEFA B licence, too busy on the golf course when he was manager of Macclesfield, MK Dons and Blackburn to spare the time to learn the ropes.

He didn't even bother completing the League Manager's Association course in Applied Football Management at Warwick Business School, walking out on it when he thought he had the management game sussed at Macclesfield.

Shooting his mouth off and showing signs of paranoia when he made his ludicrous 'vendetta' claims, it is just the kind of ammunition Blackburn's increasingly anxious directors are looking for.

He should be concentrating on the team, spending time on the training pitches and making running repairs to a team who are rapidly running out of time in the Premier League.

The above are serious grounds for a sacking alone on misconduct grounds

[mhead]

There is some hope even if we lose against Wigan and Stoke. Was it Jim Smith or Ken Furphy in the 70s who rescued us from the old 4th Division after a dreadful run of First-half Season results?*

Now compared to that this year is bloody Nirvana

* Not suggesting we stay with PI if we lose the next 2(Even my balanced optimism will have gone)

[philipl]

Agreed athlete.

That Mail blog hits a number of nails on the head.

As does the anlysis of our players. The reality is that whoever is the Manager on 1 January has a crisis of who wants out of Blackburn Rovers before they can begin to think about who to transfer in.

[gillibrand]

But if we had a proper manager in January would as many players still want to leave?

[philipl]

But if we had a proper manager in January would as many players still want to leave?

If we lose to Wigan and draw with Stoke (the likeliest results), we will be bottom at Christmas and what is still a remarkably strong field oof candidates for the not yet vacant manager's position will get decimated.

The players' agents who are hawking at least half the first team squad round the rest of the Premier League will be looking at the League Table and knowing a relegation will smash their (the agents') earning power irrespective of whatever Managerial inspiration is being offered at Brockhall.

That is one reason I believe yesterday's board meeting relegated us.

[RoverRich]

Some interesting stuff in the gossip column:

Under-pressure Blackburn manager Paul Ince has been granted a stay of execution but will be sacked if his side lose at Wigan on Saturday. (Daily Mirror)

Ince has been told he has four more games to save his job. (The Sun)

Rovers chairman John Williams held off calls from directors and trustees to get rid of Ince at a board meeting on Tuesday, arguing he deserved another chance. (Daily Mirror)

But Blackburn are already thinking about who will succeed Ince, with former Bolton boss Sam Allardyce and ex-Rovers manager Graeme Souness in the frame. (Daily Mirror)

Souness and former Chelsea manager Avram Grant are the leading contenders to replace Ince. (The Sun)

Ince blames his side's struggles on the club's decision to sell star players goalkeeper Brad Friedel and winger David Bentley in the summer, without replacing them. (The Sun)

Blackburn have only a minimal transfer budget to strengthen their squad in January. (The Guardian)

I thought we replaced Friedel with Robinson and wasn't it Ince who came out and said we didn't need a right winger as we had others who could play in that position??? And if Avram Grant is a leading contender to replace him why is he still here??? JW could look stupid if Ince doesn't do well with 'another chance'. The directors and trustees will not be happy if he continues dragging us down. Hopefully the top rumour has more truth in it than the second.

[philipl]

I don't know if Tris is stating the absolute truth or is giving us the official line.

But the outwards story is clearly the Board believe the fans' response to the glorious and successful performance against Liverpool was a resounding vox populi vote of confidence in Paul Ince.

On that basis, the fans at Wigan this week-end are the equivalent of the mob in the Coliseum determining which way the Emperor's thumb goes.

[mckenny16]

I know it is slightly off topic, but is no-one else greatly concerned over the "minimal funds" for January? It seems that all that money we was supposed to have in the summertime has vanished. I find this worrying.

[gillibrand]

Some interesting stuff in the gossip column:

Under-pressure Blackburn manager Paul Ince has been granted a stay of execution but will be sacked if his side lose at Wigan on Saturday. (Daily Mirror)

Ince has been told he has four more games to save his job. (The Sun)

Rovers chairman John Williams held off calls from directors and trustees to get rid of Ince at a board meeting on Tuesday, arguing he deserved another chance. (Daily Mirror)

But Blackburn are already thinking about who will succeed Ince, with former Bolton boss Sam Allardyce and ex-Rovers manager Graeme Souness in the frame. (Daily Mirror)

Souness and former Chelsea manager Avram Grant are the leading contenders to replace Ince. (The Sun)

Ince blames his side's struggles on the club's decision to sell star players goalkeeper Brad Friedel and winger David Bentley in the summer, without replacing them. (The Sun)

Blackburn have only a minimal transfer budget to strengthen their squad in January. (The Guardian)

I thought we replaced Friedel with Robinson and wasn't it Ince who came out and said we didn't need a right winger as we had others who could play in that position??? And if Avram Grant is a leading contender to replace him why is he still here??? JW could look stupid if Ince doesn't do well with 'another chance'. The directors and trustees will not be happy if he continues dragging us down. Hopefully the top rumour has more truth in it than the second.

So what you are saying is, The Trustees and The Board want to rid themselves and Rovers of Ince, but it is JW who wants him to stay and be given more time to destroy the Rovers?

[LDRover]

I'm reading the comments from our board,our manager and some fans and its truly frightening stuff,there is almost an inevitablilty that the abyss that is the Championship beckons for Rovers.Its almost as if people have given up Jacks and our dream of Premiership football....why the hell has it come to this?

It feels as if we are leaderless on and off the pitch.

Bang on the money.

There's that many in and around the club apparently resigned to our fate at a lower level it's untrue.

[philipl]

I know it is slightly off topic, but is no-one else greatly concerned over the "minimal funds" for January? It seems that all that money we was supposed to have in the summertime has vanished. I find this worrying.

I have just posted in the Trustees' thread that ten games of Derby County performances (that is the reality of three points from 30- it is the same as eleven points from 38) has slashed at least £13m off the amount Rovers can expect to earn in 2008/9 compared with 2007/8.

That is the difference between having £20m to spend and having £5m to spend.

Mr Ince has just earned that drop in his transfer funds from his brilliant stewardship of the last ten games.

[gillibrand]

I don't know if Tris is stating the absolute truth or is giving us the official line.

But the outwards story is clearly the Board believe the fans' response to the glorious and successful performance against Liverpool was a resounding vox populi vote of confidence in Paul Ince.

On that basis, the fans at Wigan this week-end are the equivalent of the mob in the Coliseum determining which way the Emperor's thumb goes.

And Caeser fiddled as Rome burned!

[Hughesy]

Ince blames his side's struggles on the club's decision to sell star players goalkeeper Brad Friedel and winger David Bentley in the summer, without replacing them. (The Sun)

He replaced Friedel, the other one didnt get replaced due to him not finding the right player surely?? How can he put the blame on the club for that??

[philipl]

Ince blames his side's struggles on the club's decision to sell star players goalkeeper Brad Friedel and winger David Bentley in the summer, without replacing them. (The Sun)

He replaced Friedel, the other one didnt get replaced due to him not finding the right player surely?? How can he put the blame on the club for that??

There is a lot of historical revisionism going on but

1) Friedel was not let out of the door until Robinson was signed - FACT

2) Ince told JW that Emerton was his Bentley replacement - nobody seems to be disputing that and mosdt of the press carried the story at the time

[alexanders]

Ince blames his side's struggles on the club's decision to sell star players goalkeeper Brad Friedel and winger David Bentley in the summer, without replacing them. (The Sun)

He replaced Friedel, the other one didnt get replaced due to him not finding the right player surely?? How can he put the blame on the club for that??

Maybe the same old story about money available?

[broadsword]

We're struggling because:

- The team doesn't seem to have any shape or organisation

- We've had a terrible run of injuries

- We're not providing ammunition from out wide

- Central midfield is weak

- We don't have sifficient experience or pace in the back-line

The cracks that Hughes managed to papaer over so well are there for all to see. It's a two-pronged problem. No money is being released and Ince isn't getting to grips with it. We're just falling to pieces, because now we have no leadership from the board and a fish rots from the top down.

If you'd set out over teh summer to deliberately shag the club up you couldn't have done a better job.

[Athlete]

Ince blames his side's struggles on the club's decision to sell star players goalkeeper Brad Friedel and winger David Bentley in the summer, without replacing them. (The Sun)

He replaced Friedel, the other one didnt get replaced due to him not finding the right player surely?? How can he put the blame on the club for that??

He can't blame the club the blame firmly rests with PI as for the Friedel saga Brad did the honourable thing and didnt diss Ince but it didnt take a genius to work out bad blood stemmed from there days together at liverpool ! ( so thats bad man management straight away )

INCE OUT and his Knox , winterburn and Mathias , Williams OUT as well you are all ruining our club Jack would turn in his grave .

[alexanders]

but it didnt take a genius to work out bad blood stemmed from there days together at liverpool ! ( so thats bad man management straight away )

According to Nicko Brad turned in a transfer request straight away after Hughes left.

It had nothing to do with Ince.

[otto man]

the board have not sacked ince,to me that says they are backing the man they hired in the summer,i have been critical off the team,to me they are the main reason hughes left and ince is struggling

nelsen-injuries have finished him

samba- can't play 2, 45 minutes the same

ooijer - wants to go home

warnock- very average

dunn- injury prone

reid-as above

the axe - useless

tugay- to old

pedersen- a film star

santa-needs to grow up,either play as we know you can or go

benni- hit/miss

roberts- garbage

andrews-squad player,but when he plays never the worst on the pitch

these players preformed poorly from jan onwards apart from santa cruz,they need to earn there money

So basically the team is s**t, but the manager is Fab?.....Staggering!