[Archived] Paul Ince

[islander200]

Dude. Why are you trying to make yourself look clever when people are coming out with perfectly valid points and observations? Your making yourself look very silly...

As for Avram Grant, he oversaw Pompey's second most succesfull season (ever!) as director of football and then got promptly snapped up by Roman Abramovich and 'The Special One' when they saw what good work he did...

Im making myself look silly?This coming from the guy who takes tabloid gossip as gospil....Claiming that there is dressing room unrest when ther is absolutely no proof to support such claims!You want JW out,a man who has been a magnificant servant to the club.Do you really think if the players were not behind ince he would still be in the job?You claim that matt derbyshire was against the appointment of ince and he was telling this to anybody and everybody down the rovers bar do you know how silly that is?You continue to speculate who are new manager will be when paul ince has not been sacked which is pretty pointless dont you think?

[dennis the menace]

What are you rambling on about?

ive seen a dozen of your posts, and so far the one rambling is you..

now you tell me, what is it ince is doing, that convinces you, that he is the right man, to lead our team in the relegation battle..

just for once come up with something better then, HE NEEDS TIME.. be specific, show me something, anything that points to ince, is capable of handling the pressure and is capable of handling the job..

[gazsimm]

Im making myself look silly?This coming from the guy who takes tabloid gossip as gospil....Claiming that there is dressing room unrest when ther is absolutely no proof to support such claims!You want JW out,a man who has been a magnificant servant to the club.Do you really think if the players were not behind ince he would still be in the job?You claim that matt derbyshire was against the appointment of ince and he was telling this to anybody and everybody down the rovers bar do you know how silly that is?You continue to speculate who are new manager will be when paul ince has not been sacked which is pretty pointless dont you think?

Islander can i ask you a qustion, will u still support Paul Ince if we don't get anything at Wigan on Saturday.

[broadsword]

you can always tell when we're up the creek, people start rowing with each other very easily.

[gillibrand]

This is a lesson to Ince in how to start in management. He's studied for his badges whilst working as a coach/assistant with various teams, and now that he's done he's getting his chance with a lower division club. The best up-and-coming managers seem to take this route rather than jumping straight in to it.

That is how it should be done, it should not be possible for someone to manage a Premiership football club without first obtaining all their badges under any circumstances!

[bob fleming]

you can always tell when we're up the creek, people start rowing with each other very easily.

No they don't.

[islander200]

Islander can i ask you a qustion, will u still support Paul Ince if we don't get anything at Wigan on Saturday.

I believe we will get something at wigan on saturday.If the players put in the same effort as they did against pool im convinced we will get some points on board however if we lose i will look at the situation again,i just dont think that 16 games is long enough to truly judge someone.

[philipl]

I believe we will get something at wigan on saturday.If the players put in the same effort as they did against pool im convinced we will get some points on board however if we lose i will look at the situation again,i just dont think that 16 games is long enough to truly judge someone.

I agree.

But the logic of your argument surely dictates that the January transfer window should be suspended or moved and that an inexperienced Manager should not be allowed to be relegated in his first season as well.

[Tris]

you can always tell when we're up the creek, people start rowing with each other very easily.

Quite - it's exactly what we need.

Lots of paddles, and all pulling together, tally ho ...

[my_name_is_Earl]

I believe we will get something at wigan on saturday.If the players put in the same effort as they did against pool im convinced we will get some points on board however if we lose i will look at the situation again,i just dont think that 16 games is long enough to truly judge someone.

To be honest, I think anything less than a win won't be good enough even if we have a great performance. If we truly believe we can get out of this, we have to beat wigan who are considered to be our equals at best. A draw will see our problems deepen especially as there are points to be gained between West Brom and Sunderland.

[roverfanuk]

Im making myself look silly?This coming from the guy who takes tabloid gossip as gospil....

Anyway, i don't take everything the media says as 'gospel' but i do like to think some more realistic comments in the media have a basis of truth. Also if it's said enough times over a large period of time, in many different outlets of the media, i like to think its more likely to be true...

Also, Alan Nixon has given nobody reason to distrust him, in fact he seems like one of the more level headed and accurate people in the papers (and on this site) these days...

Claiming that there is dressing room unrest when ther is absolutely no proof to support such claims!

I think that the performances are truth enough! Only a select quantity of the squad are coming out and giving Ince their backing. Funnily enough, our underachievers such as Nelsen, Gamst and Simpson... Wonder why that is... Im sure it's not because they are (and should be) worried about their place in the starting XI!

You want JW out,a man who has been a magnificant servant to the club.

I don't want JW out the club, but i fear if he makes the decision to install blind faith in Ince when a change quite clearly needs to be made, effectively relegating this club and putting it in dire financial straites, his position might end up untenable.. Also make note that im not the only person who feels this way. But sure, if you want to disprove my point, just pick up something i have said which is a perfectly valid opinion, and call me stupid!

At least i have a opinion, unlike some people on here who don't have an opinion, but think they look clever by having digs at people who have been brave enough to speak their minds...

Do you really think if the players were not behind ince he would still be in the job?

Yes. Money money money... The main thing stopping Williams from sacking Ince at the moment is the damage that would be done by his compensation claim, the damage that would be done by goones such as Oliver Holt, saying we sacked him because were racist etc, and the damage that would be done to (Williams) ie, his choosing to place a new inexperienced manager incharge of arguably the most important years in the clubs history!

You claim that matt derbyshire was against the appointment of ince and he was telling this to anybody and everybody down the rovers bar do you know how silly that is?

Did i say that, using those exact words!? You make it sound like i said he stood on a table-top with a megaphone, and proclaimed 'i am not a happy chappy', when in actuality and reality (this thing some of us live in), i actually said, he had been disappointed by Ince's appointment, or so i heard from a couple of people in the first couple of weeks of Ince's reign on here!

You continue to speculate who are new manager will be when paul ince has not been sacked which is pretty pointless dont you think?

Yeah... and im the only person doing this am i? Far easier to pick out one person to bitch at, then to target a whole group of people/fans who have their (similar) opinions?

Last time i checked, the messageboard was here for people to voice opinions on what is happening at the club, things that might effect the club, and the clubs future...

Not to have personal arguments and bitch-fights to impress the onlookers...

[gazsimm]

I believe we will get something at wigan on saturday.If the players put in the same effort as they did against pool im convinced we will get some points on board however if we lose i will look at the situation again,i just dont think that 16 games is long enough to truly judge someone.

your correct the team did put in a good effort against liverpool, but that is not good enough.

we need some points and need them urgently before its to late.

Paul Ince has been coming out for ages now after each match and keeps saying we are playing good football and we were unlucky not to get anything. It's not good enough i am affraid we need the points and under Ince i can't see many of them coming our way, which will eventually lead us to championship

[novella]

I think the board will be judging ince on game by game now. Ince and the players know that they cant afford to slip up anymore or the manager goes.

We might as well put all the arguing to bed and get on with it. If we win our next 3 games we are on 22 points half way through the season. lets not forget we tend to get stronger in the second half of the season. so we should get behind ince and get behind the team from now on. we have a series of winnable games.

[broadsword]

[JAL]

Well John Williams has come out and said that we need 9 wins for premier league survival (i don't agree i think we need more points than that this year), only he and the board know if the Wigan game is a must win. If we continue our run of defeats against sides that we should have a chance of taking points from then i don't think Ince will last long enough to try and achieve these 9 victories over the remaining part of the season.

We just have to wait and see what happens, we don't know for sure what has been said and what the board expect.

What happens if Rovers dont win at Wigan whats been said by the board that will happen next?

[broadsword]

No they don't.

Yes they do, you silly man who smells of wee and wears support tights.

[JAL]

Good grief.

Credit the Board with some intelligence.

So they employ some unskilled numpty for £1.5m per year, credit Revidge Blue, credit, are you having a laugh!

[islander200]

I think the board will be judging ince on game by game now. Ince and the players know that they cant afford to slip up anymore or the manager goes.

We might as well put all the arguing to bed and get on with it. If we win our next 3 games we are on 22 points half way through the season. lets not forget we tend to get stronger in the second half of the season. so we should get behind ince and get behind the team from now on. we have a series of winnable games.

You have hit the nail on the head,thats exactly what i want for everyone to rally round get behind the team and the manager,if things dont work out and ince gets sacked thats the time to speculate about new managers...not when we have one

[RibbleValleyRover]

What happens if Rovers dont win at Wigan whats been said by the board that will happen next?

As i said we don't know. Its all speculation at the moment.

If we lose to Wigan and by a large scoreline then my gut feeling is that Ince will get the chop. We are getting to the point now where good performances and pretty football aren't enough, we need points. If we just sneak a 1-0 win against Wigan that will be a step in the right direction.

[roverfanuk]

You have hit the nail on the head,thats exactly what i want for everyone to rally round get behind the team and the manager,if things dont work out and ince gets sacked thats the time to speculate about new managers...not when we have one

I have no doubt the best thing is to rally behind the team. But how do you rally around the team at matches without making it seem like your in favour of the manager too...

As Hughesy quite rightly stated the other day, the club needs to make it's feeling heard. We don't want Williams and Ince to come out complementing the fans for their support of the Gaffer again.

Williams and the board were worried about how the fans were in the game vs Manchester United the other day, and then that worrying seemed to be replaced with a more confident mood after the crowd vs Liverpool...

If we want Ince out, the fans have to let the board know... It's plainly obvious that sending emails isnt going to work!

Oh and before anyone suggests it, this isn't me being negative about the team regardless of the scoreline, unfortunately, i am thoroughly expecting to conceed goals vs Wigan...

[gumboots]

Yes they do, you silly man who smells of wee and wears support tights.

It's panto season so here's my "oh, no they don't."

[islander200]

I have no doubt the best thing is to rally behind the team. But how do you rally around the team at matches without making it seem like your in favour of the manager too...

As Hughesy quite rightly stated the other day, the club needs to make it's feeling heard. We don't want Williams and Ince to come out complementing the fans for their support of the Gaffer again.

Williams and the board were worried about how the fans were in the game vs Manchester United the other day, and then that worrying seemed to be replaced with a more confident mood after the crowd vs Liverpool...

If we want Ince out, the fans have to let the board know... It's plainly obvious that sending emails isnt going to work!

Oh and before anyone suggests it, this isn't me being negative about the team regardless of the scoreline, unfortunately, i am thoroughly expecting to conceed goals vs Wigan...

You seem to think that most fans want ince out a lot of fans i spoke with last saturday were in favour of giving ince time

[bob fleming]

Yes they do, you silly man who smells of wee and wears support tights.

What's wrong with support tights Bwian? The wee is a problem admittedly but provide me with evidence that support tights won't be able to turn this around? They'll come good given time and if they don't then they'll go down. In the mean time I'll continue to support them just as they have supported me.

[roverfanuk]

You seem to think that most fans want ince out a lot of fans i spoke with last saturday were in favour of giving ince time

At least 79% who did the poll on here do... Not to mention the vast majority of people on other messageboards and sites.

Quite frankly if anyone is happy at the clubs current position and is happy to give the person who put us here more time, that could pretty much bury us. Then we are only bringing relegation on ourselves...

I want to go down on the record as saying I WANT INCE OUT... At least that way, when were in the Championship next season. Nobody can turn around and say, 'well more should have been done about Ince' and, 'i bet you were one of the ones who suggested we gave him more time!'

[broadsword]

What's wrong with support tights Bwian? The wee is a problem admittedly but provide me with evidence that support tights won't be able to turn this around? They'll come good given time and if they don't then they'll go down. In the mean time I'll continue to support them just as they have supported me.

Keep this up, sunny, and I shall stick a half-chewed wham bar in your hair. Ha!

If your tights go down mate, it'll be years before you get it up again. Decades, maybe never.