[Archived] Paul Ince

[daveoftherovers]

Falling out with Peter, Samba (Twice), Roberts, Vogel

Looking for a replacement for Friedel when he was happy

Not being able to find a combative midfielder.

Bringing Treacy on in Injury time against Liverpool

Being late for training most days - leaving knox to do much more than expected

Hang on a minute there Hughesy, some of this is bending perception isn't it?

Falling out with Peter (So did Hughes), Samba (Twice) (Are you sure?), Roberts (Again, so did Hughes and 2 other previous managers), Vogel (Clearly something went on but we don't know what was said / done to provoke this?)

Looking for a replacement for Friedel when he was happy: Freidel went due to the person and the offer, end of, even Brad has said that

Not being able to find a combative midfielder. Agreed, Nor did Hughes

Bringing Treacy on in Injury time against Liverpool. Agree there, but it added at least a munite to the injury time and got him on the pitch

Being late for training most days - leaving knox to do much more than expected: Is this REALLY fact?

[jim mk2]

Another defeat away to Wigan this weekend and Williams' support for Ince will look increasingly ridiculous.

Unless of course the board have given up and are already preparing for next season in the championship.

To my mind John Williams is the principal villain in Rovers' decline over the past 12 months and should have his own thread for discussion about his decisions and his own future at the club.

So here's a challenge for someone ... try starting a John Williams thread, and prepare for a heavy boot from the moderating police.

[G Somerset Rover]

Another defeat away to Wigan this weekend and Williams' support for Ince will look increasingly ridiculous.

Unless of course the board have given up and are already preparing for next season in the championship.

To my mind John Williams is the principal villain in Rovers' decline over the past 12 months and should have his own thread for discussion about his decisions and his own future at the club.

So here's a challenge for someone ... try starting a John Williams thread, and prepare for a heavy boot from the moderating police.

Jim have you ever met with john Williams? And if so post Ince appointment?

That'd be one meeting I'd love to hear the outcome of.

[Tris]

To my mind John Williams is the principal villain in Rovers' decline over the past 12 months and should have his own thread for discussion about his decisions and his own future at the club.

On the other hand, during Williams' time at the club (roughly 10 years), Rovers have won a cup, played in at least 5 cup semi-finals, and qualified for Europe 5 times. I don't think any team outside the big 4 can better that.

[Athlete]

So according to John Williams Paul Ince is 'thorough' as a manager.

So how does he explain the following -

Not finding a position for the big summer signing Villanueva

Not being able to identify and purchase a replacement for Bentley within the first 3 months of his tenure

The ostracising and subsequent reinstatement of Vogel

The signing of Fowler

Repeatedly playing Derbyshire on the wing

Our pathetic set pieces

Our lack of fitness

The decision to play Warnock in central midfield

The huge gap between the midfield and the forwards

The huge gap between the midfield and the defence

The midfield

The decision to rest Tugay prior to 3 games in quick succession...and then not selecting him for any of them

Keith Andrews

Playing Ryan Nelsen week in week out

and that's just for starters.

Wigan are a very very poor side but even they should beat rovers on current showing INCE OUT

[trueblue]

So here's a challenge for someone ... try starting a John Williams thread, and prepare for a heavy boot from the moderating police.

Stop trying to goad others into doing something you won't do yourself !

[Athlete]

John Williams has met hundreds of fans in this way over the years. I emailed about the sale of Duff to Chelsea. I got an invite to meet him and spent two hours in his office. Along with others, I've met him quite a few times on other occassions.

He is a very open person. Let's get this right though - while he obviously doesn't divulge any great secrets, there are things that he will tell you, whereby he will ask that you don't repeat it on a messageboard. That's how he works roverfanuk.

I am pretty certain most on here would be pretty open people if wanted to be - IE : if JW's huge salary he takes out the club annualy

[philipl]

I am pretty certain most on here would be pretty open people if wanted to be - IE : if JW's huge salary he takes out the club annualy

You really are talking ######

I bet JW is the lowest paid Chairman in the PL. Yes it is a comfortable package but I is not very high for an Executive Chairman of any £60m turnover business even in the north west, never mind a job as high profile and high pressured as a Premier League football club.

[DingleBaiter]

Another defeat away to Wigan this weekend and Williams' support for Ince will look increasingly ridiculous.

Unless of course the board have given up and are already preparing for next season in the championship.

To my mind John Williams is the principal villain in Rovers' decline over the past 12 months and should have his own thread for discussion about his decisions and his own future at the club.

So here's a challenge for someone ... try starting a John Williams thread, and prepare for a heavy boot from the moderating police.

Jim, you seem the type of guy who'd have his head bobbing between Keeley's nellies then complain one nipple is bigger than the other.

Is there anything Rover related about you can honestly express a solely positive opinion on?

Good start would be revealing exactly why you've such an issue about JW, and what could be done to repair this relationship? Try not to sound like you're just repeating the same old mantras as denial for some deep-seated disorder please.

[Hughesy]

Hang on a minute there Hughesy, some of this is bending perception isn't it?

Falling out with Peter (So did Hughes), Samba (Twice) (Are you sure?), Roberts (Again, so did Hughes and 2 other previous managers), Vogel (Clearly something went on but we don't know what was said / done to provoke this?)

Looking for a replacement for Friedel when he was happy: Freidel went due to the person and the offer, end of, even Brad has said that

NO.

Samba twice - once for dropping him for United away in cup and once following Chelsea game. Roberts (following sunderland game), Peter (Had his contract terminated, despite being a better player than Treacy), Vogel (Not sure what happened there)

Friedel - He went purely because Ince was actively looking for his replacement for this season, Friedel was told of Villa's interest and that he was free to leave. Friedel believed he would end his career here. I cant see how that was Friedels choice. Check it out if you wish... speak to Friedel away from the cameras and he will confirm that story.

[jim mk2]

On the other hand, during Williams' time at the club (roughly 10 years), Rovers have won a cup, played in at least 5 cup semi-finals, and qualified for Europe 5 times. I don't think any team outside the big 4 can better that.

That's all in the past, so it's irrelevant. Souness did well for the first 2 years.....

What matters is the one crucial decision he had to make after failing to keep Hughes happy, he got badly wrong.

If he were the chairman of a plc institutional shareholders would have forced him out of office by now.

Good start would be revealing exactly why you've such an issue about JW, ?

....because he is reponsible for Rovers' current plight in appointing Ince, shows no signs of acknowledging his mistake by sacking Ince and seems incapable of decisive action.

[islander200]

On the other hand, during Williams' time at the club (roughly 10 years), Rovers have won a cup, played in at least 5 cup semi-finals, and qualified for Europe 5 times. I don't think any team outside the big 4 can better that.

Exactly,how anybody can criticise jw is beyond me,he has been a great servant to the club and now we are going through a bad patch we have a few so called fans calling for his head!

[gumboots]

That's all in the past, so it's irrelevant. Souness did well for the first 2 years.....

What matters is the one crucial decision he had to make after failing to keep Hughes happy, he got badly wrong.

....because he is reponsible for Rovers' current plight in appointing Ince, shows no signs of acknowledging his mistake by sacking Ince and seems incapable of decisive action.

He's a paid employee and it's not up to him to keep Hughes happy - he doesn't hold the pursestrings and can only do what he can with the money available.

Other chairman have made bad appointments too and haven't changed their minds quickly enough. They are still the chairmen of their respective clubs. I agree that we should probably have changed manager this week and hope that we will do so if we do not win on saturday, but change the chairman? He's got more right than wrong.

[waggy]

When the clock strikes midnight...

I will admit that the timing part of the story was wrong.

The background stuff and what was being done beforehand is correct.

I have re-traced a few steps today and contacted the OTHER person who got the phone call from Rovers regarding Allardyce and Souness...he confirmed all of the details.

So, something has happened since the weekend.

One way or another Rovers need to clarify the position and not just tell tame reporters about 'one' 'two' or 'five' games.

While I am at it I would like to apologise for Fowler, Andrews, Friedel, Bentley, Robinson, Carlos, Simpson, Roque, Cole, Yorke, Bellamy, McCarthy, Jack Walker putting his dough in, Kennny and Ray, Big Col going and coming back, Andy Kennedy, Kevin Gallacher, Reid, Nelsen...

loke the say your only as good as your last story

[jim mk2]

Exactly,how anybody can criticise jw is beyond me,he has been a great servant to the club and now we are going through a bad patch we have a few so called fans calling for his head!

You don't seem to understand. If this "bad patch" becomes relegation as seems likely there will be no Rovers return next time and we are quite likely to be in the same position as Charlton next season. See also Leeds, Forest, Southampton and Coventry.

In those circumstances I would expect Williams to do the decent thing and resign. But he would probably dither over that decision too.

[islander200]

You don't seem to understand. If this "bad patch" becomes relegation as seems likely there will be no Rovers return next time and we are quite likely to be in the same position as Charlton next season. See also Leeds, Forest, Southampton and Coventry.

In those circumstances I would expect Williams to do the decent thing and resign. But he would probably dither over that decision too.

Im sorry mate but i am never going to agree with you that the club would be better off without john williams for me he is one of the best chairmen in the premier league.

[modes98]

But he would probably dither over that decision too.

It's the board that has dithered not JW. JW stood by his decision to appoint Ince and you have to say fair play to him for that.

[jim mk2]

. JW stood by his decision to appoint Ince and you have to say fair play to him for that.

Why fair play because he got it wrong and won't admit it ? Doesn't make sense.

[roverfanuk]

Why fair play because he got it wrong and won't admit it ? Doesn't make sense.

I for one agree completely...

[islander200]

I for one agree completely...

So you want ince and jw out?

[waggy]

Disgracefull. After all the messages JW has sent to fans who took time to write emails to him saying he would do what was best for the club. If he has completely ignored the fans and the board. He should be ashaimed of himself...

In fact, if this is true, allow me to be the first person to say:

PAUL INCE AND JOHN WILLIAMS OUT!!!

It's painfully obvious Williams is far more interested in proving a point, and making sure that anybody who takes over knows he is in charge. Then the wellbeing of the club!

i have said all along if and i think its a BIG IF,we go down williams will go with ince.it's about time the sheep on here start backing the club,spitting dummies is for babies

OK, hands up, got the timing of the sacking wrong.

Teach me to think that a club checking out replacements has got the balls to finish the task...

Been thinking about John Williams's comments on the number of games needed to win - and the lack of action today.

If one of those '9 winnable games' goes by without a win at Wigan on Saturday then maybe that is the time to act.

I should stress this is just speculation, but it would justify the board saying they had given the manager every chance before they 'had' to act.

I don't agree with the Guardian story about the Trustees wanting rid of the manager, it wasn't a Trustee who was calling other Premier League chairmen and sounding out players last week.

I believe there is a split about who to appoint next - and that other names are also being considered.

You have to be careful here that the possible successors go elsewhere or just reckon the job ain't worth it because the club ain't saveable.

I would suggest Wigan on Saturday is the biggest game in your recent history.

if your not prepared to back your tales with names,why bother posting

[waggy]

Brad was happy here when Ince came in, however there was some history between them. Brad wasnt going anywhere and hadnt handed anything in - he firmly believed he would end his career here. He then found out that Ince had actively been looking for a replacement for him. He was then told of the Villa interest and that he could go if he wished, FACT!! Get nicko to confirm if you wish......

so why did brad say he knew of villa's intrest in jan

[T4E]

Hughesy's story is pretty close to the mark as far as I know.

More to the point Waggy, if Brad did know of Villa's interest in Jan, why didn't he go then? What changed over the Summer?

[waggy]

Do we?

One or two reminders:

“One of the great things about being the manager of Blackburn Rovers is that you can rely on the support of the boardroom.”

The decision on Bentley’s future will lie squarely with Ince after the midfielder publicly stated he wanted to leave Ewood Park in the summer.

Williams added: “It’s for Paul to decide that ultimately but contractually David is one year into a four year contract.

One of the great things about being the manager of Blackburn Rovers is that you can rely on the support of the boardroom.” The decision on Bentley’s future will lie squarely with Ince after the midfielder publicly stated he wanted to leave Ewood Park in the summer. Williams added: “It’s for Paul to decide that ultimately but contractually David is one year into a four year contract.

MARK Hughes is adamant David Bentley will still be a Blackburn player next season - regardless of whether or not he signs a new contract.

Now I'm showing you evidence of Hughes's stance and Williams stance at the time. You show me evidence that the decision to sell Bentley wasn't all down to Ince.

what happened to never mentioning BENTARSE again

[broadsword]

Just got binned off my job today. 1 month's notice.

Really hoping for a rovers win on saturday, really could do with cheering up.

Poor old Uncle Bryan. :-(