[Archived] Paul Ince

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

I see the old accusations are flying again that certian posters are loving every minute of this due to their 'prejudice' against Ince?..... I do believe we will see 60+% of this board dance on the grave of Rovers if relegation does come calling too

Absolutely cretinous talk.

Reading through this thread and some excellent posts it becomes clear that there is more passion and more commitment within its content than what Ince has shown towards this club in the last 4 months!

We have gone from a stable top ten club to one literally holding the league up under Ince's tenure and we all need answers as to what the hell is going on.

Worryingly for us all, all I have heard and read to date are the excuses of one very unsure and unconfident man at the helm who is steadily leading the good ship Rovers right into the Iceberg that is the Championship.

Yes,Its easy to criticise but folk on here do that because they ruddy well care.

[CrazyIvan]

Firstly you call him stupid, 4 years ago where were we???? Was it not bottom 3 and not looking like getting out of it, Mmm where are we now? Lots of people where very surprised at both the appointment of Ince and subsequent ones. I see no stupidity in those statements, just the reply. T4E made a comment that is based on fact and as opposed to combating it with similar you just insult him. But you could as equally have said Hughes had us in the bottom three as well as opposed to insulting him, just a thought.

I never called T4E stupid once and I take umbrage to you saying that. That's putting words in my mouth. His post was not up to his usual intelligent arguments because it was based on a baseless and frankly silly comment from Den. This comment: "The next move will be to blame posters on here for Ince's shortcomings." My reply was to his response to that nothing else!

As for being in the bottom three 4 years ago and not looking like getting out of it I made no comment about that. None whatsoever.

I honestly do not see where you are coming from with your first paragraph because in general I actually agree with most of it.

Let me make this ABSOLUTELY clear, I never called T4E stupid.

Abuse, well perhaps not but Den took a lot of stick from some people for saying what was occurring, people took that as him condoning it, he did not. The shortcoming quip, was in response to that, den got the blame for others short comings. Why should someone change there views because you believe its the right thing to do. Is that not the same as saying people who vote conservative should support labour when they win the election (that is not my political belief). We all have different opinions you'll have to figure that out. The world is not black and white there are many shades of grey. I can only surmise from your strong statements that you have never in your life pre-judged anyone or anything in your life, I commend you, I hope the sermon on Sunday goes well.

What has voting and the result of an election got to do with people blaming posters on this forum for Ince's shortcomings? That hasn't actually happened and is highly unlikely to, that is my point. Have you read anything I've actually written? Frankly your tone is as if you're talking to me like I am a child and it is insulting. My point is clear, deal fairly with the manager rather than responding to rumour and conjecture as if it were true.

You'll notice no-ones asked you to apologise if your wrong. The statement about how he's going to brag he was right is so twisted its unreal. Lets follow your logic shall we, T4E posts about how he was right everyone else was wrong and so on. T4E supports rovers with passion and has done so for some time, hes a fan IE fanatical, look it up. Why on earth would he do that? what on earth makes you think thats what he wants? I've never met a fan in my life who wanted his team to do badly, he wants the club to do well. twisted just twisted. Next you'll be telling him to ###### of to the dingles, or sum such similar childlike response, at least offer some sort of constructive criticism.

I hope that answers your questions.

'So twisted it's unreal'? I've already seen some people gloating on here. Maybe my pointing that at T4E is wrong and for that I apologise. The rest of your post is a complete and utter over reaction. I would never tell him to ###### to the dingles and I've never told anybody that.

Please tell me where I have done any of the rest of your post?

[Tris]

There is a significant majority on this MB which is saying they have lost faith in the manager.

The poll is proving that it is in fact a very small majority - 60-40 - and the trend has been towards 50-50 over the last couple of days ... and of course the poll went live immediately after the worst performance of the season.

I'd have expected it to be up at 90-10 with all the noise, and on a forum which is oozing negativity, quoting non-existant sources, fuelling rumours and hosting trolls.

A good result against Spurs and I should imagine if you reset the poll and ran it again next week it would swing to 60-40 backing the manager - which is to reiterate what I posted a couple of days back, Spurs is a vital game for the club.

So the fans ought to be using every channel, every thread on this MB, to get behind the manager and the team, and create a positive vibe in advance of that game.

[T4E]

Tris - any chance that the reason the 60% are more vocal than the 40% in terms of posts is that the 60% have plenty of ways to explain why they voted the way they did, whereas the 40% are just going on the "back the manager to the hilt" theory and therefore don't really have much more to say on the subject?

[rog of the rovers]

Could we start a sub poll.

If voted Sack, who would you want to replace him? (Thinking realistically)

Allardyce

Souness

Coleman

Boothroyd

[den]

His post was not up to his usual intelligent arguments because it was based on a baseless and frankly silly comment from Den. This comment: "The next move will be to blame posters on here for Ince's shortcomings."

OI Silly posts from den indeed.

Well maybe slightly silly , but not as silly as some people suggesting that posters criticising/commenting on poor performances on this messageboard, are having an effect on rovers performances or results. I think the real reason they don't want these views aired is simply because they personally don't like those views. Hey, that's life though, - if they don't read them on here, they'll read them somewhere else.

[Presty On Tour]

Reading nuts magazine today and there's a double spread in the sports section with a write up of BFS relegation crystal ball.

On Blackburn Rovers and i quote "Paul Ince is settling in to being a Premier League manager and has won the dressing room over. Their forwards will keep them up as long as they keep hold of Roque Santa Cruz and Benni McCarthy." SAFE

He thinks WBA and Stoke are doomed along with one from Bolton, Fulham, Wigan and Sunderland.

I didn't think the dressing room was lost until recently and a manager doesn't need to win over the dressing room in the first place, the respect should already be there.

Agree with the second part, it's vital we keep Santa Cruz. If we can find some decent supply lines we know he can score.

[Tris]

Tris - any chance that the reason the 60% are more vocal than the 40% in terms of posts is that the 60% have plenty of ways to explain why they voted the way they did, whereas the 40% are just going on the "back the manager to the hilt" theory and therefore don't really have much more to say on the subject?

I should think it's more likely that they can't be arsed ... they are happy to click the button and get on with more important things than pushing boulders up hill.

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To be honest I don't know why we bother ... ... we should let you all wallow in your despair and gloom until the messageboard implodes

[MCMC1875]

So 13 games in then - a third of the season. I will be patient enough to wait another couple of games - but to what end? whatever the points haul from the next 2 games, the doubts will remain. It's not like Rovers are 4 or 5 games in. I have said before that the transfer window favours big clubs with big squads. Clubs that get off to a bad start are prevented from strenthening until January when the position may be irretrievable. Consider the following:

- Appointment of poor quality management and staff.

- Lack of spending.

- Poor quality signings.

- Dreadful tactics.

You will note that Mr Ince cannot be held responsible for all the above. What price then, that the board can be expected to make a better job of it if they look elsewhere?

Perhaps Jack's trust was too strong (in that its conditions have prevented a quicker sale) or indeed too weak (in that it didn't require enough football minds at decision making level).

[bennyboyt11]

So 13 games in then - a third of the season. I will be patient enough to wait another couple of games - but to what end? whatever the points haul from the next 2 games, the doubts will remain. It's not like Rovers are 4 or 5 games in. I have said before that the transfer window favours big clubs with big squads. Clubs that get off to a bad start are prevented from strenthening until January when the position may be irretrievable. Consider the following:

- Appointment of poor quality management and staff.

- Lack of spending.

- Poor quality signings.

- Dreadful tactics.

You will note that Mr Ince cannot be held responsible for all the above. What price then, that the board can be expected to make a better job of it if they look elsewhere?

finally a post that isn't just another reply in the ongoing slagging match in this thread between some members...

I cannot comment on the tactics part as I have to unfortunately rely on MOTD highlights to fuel my BRFC love... but regarding signings, i feel Ince didn't quite realise the significance of Bentley's superb crossing. We sorely miss a right winger and the last minute bids for wingers by JW and Ince give the impression of a late realisation.

Next 2 games are vital for Ince's future I believe.

[American]

Post-championship in 1995 Rovers have a poor record in appointing managers.

They got it right twice (Souness...

I'm impressed you can finally admit that.

[Paul]

I heard there is a board meeting tomorrow.

Following Ince comments last night, I am tempted by the 8/1 on Paddy Power for him to be the next Premier League manager to leave his post

EG I'm sorry to pick on your post but this is an absolute calssic of how rumour begins. There's a board meeting tomorrow, I don't know but if there is I'd say a very big "So what?"

Half the companies I've worked for, all with smaller turnover than Rovers, held monthly board or management meetings. The usual function of those meetings is to review the management accounts which would normally be prepared by the middle of the following month. Obviously other items are on the agenda but a monthly board meeting is not unusual and I would be more shocked to hear there wasn't going to be board meeting. It's simply part of running the business.

"I've heard there is a board meeting tomorrow" is just typical of the unsubstantiated rumours that people who should know better insist on posting on here. I'm not a great fan of Paul Ince but I do wish folk would put up or shut up, or at the very least give the source as Hughesy has done. "I've heard there is to be an emergency board meeting" is news "I've heard there is going to be a board meeting" is meaningless.

[imy9]

Tris - any chance that the reason the 60% are more vocal than the 40% in terms of posts is that the 60% have plenty of ways to explain why they voted the way they did, whereas the 40% are just going on the "back the manager to the hilt" theory and therefore don't really have much more to say on the subject?

I have already given my reasons for supporting PI and will continue to do so until such time the team is consistantly performing badly.

Ince deserves better after only 13 games, it is a sad inditement of the PL that he is under pressure after such a short space of time, but it is the reality facing most PL managers and Ince must handle it and move the club forward in the right direction, starting Sunday vs Spurs.

[Stuart]

Ok, it was a rush job

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

That's a terrible photoshop.

[tcj_jones]

The poll is somewhat misleading. 40% back Ince as it stands. This will no doubt change if we fail to win in our next three games. For the record, I voted 'back'. However, I will not be voting that way come Christmas if we are in the relegation zone.

Also, T4E, I think you might be getting confused when you say that only one team that has been in the relegation zone at Christmas has managed to stay up. What I think you are getting confused with is the fact that only one team that has been bottom at Christmas has managed to survive.

I still think that Ince needs longer in charge in order to prove himself. However, if we are in the relegation zone come Christmas there is too much risk involved in keeping him on. I wouldn't want anybody other than Curbishley if he were sacked.

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

It's interesting to see how, after things calmed down, the poll changed. The Sack has gone up 11 in the past few days but Back has gone up more than that by some distance.

I think a lot of it was knee jerking to be honest.

[gumboots]

It's interesting to see how, after things calmed down, the poll changed. The Sack has gone up 11 in the past few days but Back has gone up more than that by some distance.

I think a lot of it was knee jerking to be honest.

When we do badly Radio Rovers is inundated with calls from people wanting to criticise. when we win, not spectacularly ( when did we last do that?) but win, nobody phones in. It's much easier to be critical than just to be supportive. Hence I presume why there are more posts on here critical of management, tactics etc. I haven't actually voted in the poll because I would want a qualified backing, in that I don't think we should sack Ince without having a strategy in place for his replacement, and so I couldn't say sack or back. I'd certainly want to back him for the next few games and see if he really does look to have lost the players or whether they've had a look at themselves and recognised that they are at least partly to blame for the debacle in the 2nd half on Saturday, and decided to do something about it.

[47er]

I don't think we would have been bottom three, but in the same breath we would not have been pushing for europe. Hughes saw the signs, we where shocking at times last year (and this year), however Hughes had a nack of still getting results, he would have been seriously tested this year. Hughes would have replaced Bentley, or even slapped some sense into him.

We can conjecture forever (and this MB has become a maelstrom of conflicting opinions--all valid or invalid depending on your point of view) but there is at least one inescapable FACT in all this--------------last season we were never outside the top half, now we are in one of the dreaded relegation places. I really didn't believe that, when Ince was appointed things could get so bad, so quickly.

[Tris]

The poll is somewhat misleading. 40% back Ince as it stands. This will no doubt change if we fail to win in our next three games.

Surely that's why it's not misleading in the slightest. The poll was started at the weekend immediately after the worst 45 minutes of football I've seen at Ewood in ages. So just now, the poll is bang on the money, and a far better barometer of how things are than reading what gets posted by those who want Ince out.

Which is why I made the point, this afternoon, that if we get a result on Sunday and the poll is reset and started again following such a result, it would probably tip to 60-40 in favour of backing the manager.

On the other hand, if we get stuffed (to the "bliss" of Bubblerovers [see below] and many others on here), I'm sure the doomsday gang will continue to gleefully undermine him.

Just think this time next week there will be an emergency board meeting to sack Ince, bliss

[47er]

Surely that's why it's not misleading in the slightest. The poll was started at the weekend immediately after the worst 45 minutes of football I've seen at Ewood in ages. So just now, the poll is bang on the money, and a far better barometer of how things are than reading what gets posted by those who want Ince out.

Which is why I made the point, this afternoon, that if we get a result on Sunday and the poll is reset and started again following such a result, it would probably tip to 60-40 in favour of backing the manager.

On the other hand, if we get stuffed (to the "bliss" of Bubblerovers [see below] and many others on here), I'm sure the doomsday gang will continue to gleefully undermine him.

But the question asked at the top is" Paul Ince,13 games in,was he the right choice............. ?" In your opinion------was he or wasn't he?

[LDRover]

I don't think it's a barometer of whether we think Ince is the man for the job, I'd say it's more that people can't see a reasonable alternative. A lot have posted that they've no confidence BUT who else would come in at this stage, money, availability etc.

[G Somerset Rover]

I don't think it's a barometer of whether we think Ince is the man for the job, I'd say it's more that people can't see a reasonable alternative. A lot have posted that they've no confidence BUT who else would come in at this stage, money, availability etc.

IF JW and the board do decide that a change is required then it is their job to put together a suitable list of potential candidates. Whilst we may not be able to offer a manager any kind of financial backing, there will be no shortage of top, continental, managers interested - as was the case over the summer when Hughes left. The Premiership is where the top managers want to be.

[gumboots]

IF JW and the board do decide that a change is required then it is their job to put together a suitable list of potential candidates. Whilst we may not be able to offer a manager any kind of financial backing, there will be no shortage of top, continental, managers interested - as was the case over the summer when Hughes left. The Premiership is where the top managers want to be.

Top continental managers. I doubt it. there were some half way decent ones interested in the summer but top ? Who?????????????

[AndyC]

I know this is a fairly pointless question, but if we'd carried on playing in the 2nd half like we did in the first on Saturday - how many people would be so critical?

It's for this reason, that I say back Ince. He is showing that he can get the team playing incredibly well and creating loads of chances. 6 clear cut in the first half v 1 against?

Yes it went spectacularly wrong in the 2nd, but I'd argue there is something to really work with there.

If the whole game had been bad and players not trying from start to finish, or players not creating anything at all - i'd be as critical as the next man. But I believe Ince has earned the right to put things right.

I know we are in the bottom 3, but the league is different this year - FACT. 6 points separate 3/4 of the league. Most of all have strengthened their squads - not lost their 2 best players.

Come on Incey - Let's put it right on Sunday.