[Archived] Paul Ince

[Alex Rover]

Part of the problem is that Ince has never really got a 'buzz' going during his time here. Everything he has done has been poor in quality and one constant moan.

New managers should bring with them a feel good factor, but its just not happening.

That's a great post. Looking back I get the impression that everyone was so caught up in not appointing Allardyce that it was almost a relief when Ince was given the job. 'Relief' rather than 'Buzz'.

Based on some posts on here, have the tables turned about Sam?

[Sysagent]

I repeat from the Sam Poll thread-:

Sam is not the answer!

We need a long term investment in the club and not some short term bandaid to get us out of the relegation zone, we need a manager who can take us onwards and upwards and for that to happen the Rovers Board are going to have to get off their arses and spend some cash and I mean real cash not the type that gets the likes of Ince and his cronies in.

[den]

I repeat from the Sam Poll thread-:

Sam is not the answer!

We need a long term investment in the club and not some short term bandaid

There's no such thing as a long term manager.

[Sysagent]

There's no such thing as a long term manager.

Just look down the motorway thirty odd miles or so and you will see a long term manager and I believe there's a certain London club who has now had the same manager for some years now as well.

Course there's such a thing, you just have to have the where with all to support the manager and give him adequate resources to maintain his club, I think Hughes could have been one, it was just that the board didn't (couldn't?) give the necessary resources for this to happen.

Ultimately the responsibility is down to the Rovers board (read the Walker Trust) to get us out of this mess and to provide the football club we all love so much with that long term stability of which we haven't had now for quite sometime.

[roverfanuk]

I'm suprised that after todays nightmare, nobody has changed their vote...

[philipl]

Just viewed ESPN's Final Score Programme:

Their verdict on Rovers:

- Have not looked right all season

- Have fantastic strikers but absolutely no way of getting the ball through to them

- Midfield is very weak. Completely missing a player who can put his foot on the ball. Have zero creativity and getting a creative midfielder in January is critical to the club's survival.

- Defence is totally disorganised and has been all season. Not at all surprising we have conceded 25 goals which is the worst in the division.

They didn't say we would go down but they did say we could soon find it will be very difficult to get back up the table.

PS If any evidence were needed of the anxiety of fans, this board and the official mb both crashed at roughly the same time- weight of traffic?

[ABBEY]

a bit different than your facebook status lol

a public apology from red faced abs...mistaken id...sorry mozzer.

[LeChuck]

I can't believe Ince's post match comments, just how stupid is he? Olsson's sending off was definitely the right decision. In actual fact he'd hacked down Lennon 3 times, but the first two came without a break in play because he referee was playing advantage from the first foul, which he surely would have got a yellow for anyway.

Does he genuinely believe we're playing well or is he just trying not to dent confidence any further? I have been as embarrassed at a Rovers team as I was today for years. There was no fight, no pressure on the ball, and the amount of mistakes (mainly Mokoena I have to say) was disgusting.

Ince has to go. Now. He has done absolutely nothing in his time here to suggest he's a Premiership manager. Tactics, team selection, team organisation, transfers, backroom staff...all have been absolutely sub-standard. I can't see any reason for wanting to keep him other than blind faith/loyalty...but then why does Ince deserve that from any of us?

[thenodrog]

I repeat from the Sam Poll thread-:

Sam is not the answer!

We need a long term investment in the club and not some short term bandaid to get us out of the relegation zone, we need a manager who can take us onwards and upwards and for that to happen the Rovers Board are going to have to get off their arses and spend some cash and I mean real cash not the type that gets the likes of Ince and his cronies in.

Do you still believe in the Tooth Fairy and Father Christmas?

MU and Arse have got succesful long term managers sure but thats cos they are big enough clubs not to get em pinched. When we get good manager someone takes them in quick time.

[John]

I am close to coming to the conclusion that he has to go. Obviously it is all about results, but it is also the moronic comments he makes to the press which is annoying me. He just does not seem to be a Premiership manager. Not sure I will ever be able to get used to it.

I dread our games at the moment.

Back when Keegan left, if Newcastle were stupid enough to offer him the manager's job he would have been off in a flash anyway.

Let's get someone in who knows what they are doing.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

For me the bottom line is this- Coaching is about improving players performances. Name me a player at Rovers who has improved this season ? Enough said ?

[LDRover]

What makes you believe there is any manager out there than can do much better?

Because it's a squad that was top half for the past three seasons minus two players. One who I believe has been adequately replaced.

So , should we just leave him in charge, cross our fingers and hope for the best then??

[Sysagent]

Do you still believe in the Tooth Fairy and Father Christmas?

MU and Arse have got succesful long term managers sure but thats cos they are big enough clubs not to get em pinched. When we get good manager someone takes them in quick time.

Well compare the Tooth Fairy and Father Christmas to the story that in 1995 a small northern football club would be the Premier League Champions, yes sounds unbelievable doesn't it?

But it happened, we was a successful football club, we did win silverware, these things are not the impossible, they are the reality of what was here at Rovers and small minded mentality will get you small minded results...

Bless the fact that Jack Walker never had these traits, the Rovers Board / Walker trust should take up the mantle like he did and push us back up there at whatever the cost, because I truly believe that we as a football club should still be up there with the best of them, we deserve it, we were the persistent thorn in their sides, we are Blackburn Rovers.

[thenodrog]

Bless the fact that Jack Walker never had these traits, the Rovers Board / Walker trust should take up the mantle like he did and push us back up there at whatever the cost, because I truly believe that we as a football club should still be up there with the best of them, we deserve it, we were the persistent thorn in their sides, we are Blackburn Rovers and hopefully long may we be in the Premier League for years to come.

'whatever the cost'? Dont be so daft. Today it is reported that top players are now valued at 60m each and earn 10m pa! Tell you what sysagent if you buy BRFC one then I'll go halves.

[CrazyIvan]

For me the bottom line is this- Coaching is about improving players performances. Name me a player at Rovers who has improved this season ? Enough said ?

Pedersen, Emerton, Warnock, Robinson

We've had others who've dropped off though.

[Sysagent]

'whatever the cost'? Dont be so daft. Today it is reported that top players are now valued at 60m each and earn 10m pa! Tell you what sysagent if you buy BRFC one then I'll go halves.

OK so what do we do then?

Do we just roll over, die and drop down several leagues? As that is where we are meant to be, as we aren't in the market to buy players of any worth anymore (flawed argument as Hughes proved last year with his bargains)?

Or do we actively seek a good manager that will take us places, which in turn makes BRFC an interesting financial proposition to some prospective buyer?

That's the reality of the Premier League now isn't it, that is how the Board should be thinking, instead of sitting up there counting the pennies and worrying about their beloved power share and failing airline.

[allanncd]

Ince simply cannot be allowed to waste the opportunity in January to bring some QUALITY into the team. I am profoundly depressed by his triallists and apparent transfer targets from minor leagues. There is no chance these players will make the step up with the type of impact that will be needed when Rovers will probably be several points behind the 4th bottom. An Eygptian on the right wing, a lanky Austrian in the middle. The brainless Ince has no idea of what is required at this level as he has already shown with the additions of Fowler, Andrews, the lightweight midget Villaneuva and his persistence with Ollson. Get a grip Williams!

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Pedersen, Emerton, Warnock, Robinson

We've had others who've dropped off though.

Emerton yes, Warnock same as last season, Pedersen no, Robinson hard to say. The rest have all gone backwards.

[thenodrog]

A pal of mine was watching the game in Saudi. he tells me Ian Dowie was summarising.

Fifteen minutes in he said that when Spurs attacked, there was a 30 yard gap between our back 4 and midfield.

When we attacked, he said, there was an even bigger gap between the front 2 and the runners who would need a taxi to get into the box on time.

A point that I made in the pub. This gap in midfield has been apparent for some time. Covered up under Hughes but exposed by Ince. We all know that we've needed investment in the centre of midfield for at least 2 years and probably more. Tugay's longevity whilst admirable in itself might now be providing our undoing.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

A pal of mine was watching the game in Saudi. he tells me Ian Dowie was summarising.

Fifteen minutes in he said that when Spurs attacked, there was a 30 yard gap between our back 4 and midfield.

When we attacked, he said, there was an even bigger gap between the front 2 and the runners who would need a taxi to get into the box on time.

Later in the game Dowie opined that our central midfield pair weren't good enough.

Now don't get me wtongI don't regard the parrot-pussed one as any kind of sage but if he can see it, why can't Ince.

I used to do a bit of scouting and accompanied very experienced scouts to games.

The first thing they always said managers wanted to know about midfielders was not have they any tricks, a goal in them, passing range, tackling ability - but canthey get from box to box in no time for the duration of a game?

That wasn't always dependent solely on physical stamina, but sometimes instinct, football common sense - sensing danger at our end, sniffing an opportunity at the other.

People are often fooled into thinking a player is good because "he showed some nice touches." Most Combination players could do so given time and space. They might even pot a goal now and again.

Good midfield players week in week out influence the game in their team's favour.

Our central midfielders don't.

A goal at West Brom, fair enough, a lovely pass here and there - but you need your midfield to be in control for most of a match to win it - that's mainly where the opposition is worn down and your team begins its offensive play.

Correct, our midfield has been our achilles heel for a while now ( pre Ince )

[LDRover]

A pal of mine was watching the game in Saudi. he tells me Ian Dowie was summarising.

Fifteen minutes in he said that when Spurs attacked, there was a 30 yard gap between our back 4 and midfield.

When we attacked, he said, there was an even bigger gap between the front 2 and the runners who would need a taxi to get into the box on time.

Later in the game Dowie opined that our central midfield pair weren't good enough.

Now don't get me wtongI don't regard the parrot-pussed one as any kind of sage but if he can see it, why can't Ince.

I used to do a bit of scouting and accompanied very experienced scouts to games.

The first thing they always said managers wanted to know about midfielders was not have they any tricks, a goal in them, passing range, tackling ability - but canthey get from box to box in no time for the duration of a game?

That wasn't always dependent solely on physical stamina, but sometimes instinct, football common sense - sensing danger at our end, sniffing an opportunity at the other.

People are often fooled into thinking a player is good because "he showed some nice touches." Most Combination players could do so given time and space. They might even pot a goal now and again.

Good midfield players week in week out influence the game in their team's favour.

Our central midfielders don't.

A goal at West Brom, fair enough, a lovely pass here and there - but you need your midfield to be in control for most of a match to win it - that's mainly where the opposition is worn down and your team begins its offensive play.

Totally agree.

It's not about one or two isolated incidents it's how they control the game. Savage was a case in point, the way he got about the pitch and set the tempo for our play was a major reason in our success over the past few years.

Today was a match up between who we could've bought (Huddlestone) and who we eventually bought (Andrews). No contest.

[LeChuck]

Emerton yes, Warnock same as last season, Pedersen no, Robinson hard to say. The rest have all gone backwards.

I can't agree with Emerton at all. He's been pleasantly adequate in the right wing position after being inept there for years, but he was far more use to us as a right back/central midfielder.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I can't agree with Emerton at all. He's been pleasantly adequate in the right wing position after being inept there for years, but he was far more use to us as a right back/central midfielder.

I'm baseing my yes on the few times he's been in midfield, not when he's been in his least effective position of right wing.

[gumboots]

I'm suprised that after todays nightmare, nobody has changed their vote...

I didn't vote in the first place. The choice was too black and white (excuse terminology but I can't think of any other way of putting it) Still is. I want a "sack if we've identified a viable alternative who isn't Allardyce" option.

[Amo]

I didn't vote in the first place. The choice was too black and white (excuse terminology but I can't think of any other way of putting it)

*facepalm*