[Archived] Paul Ince

[imy9]

That is still a major issue, who do we replace him with?

Big Sam is too short term in my view as we will avoid relegation but would we progress?

We need someone with the vision to lead a group of players who on paper are quality:

Martin Jol is my favourite, I must say that I always liked the way he went about his business at Spurs and is doing a fantastic job in Germany, anyone know John Williams number?

[John]

I don't think Jol (and other managers currently in work) would find out transfer budget attractive enough to move.

If we are to change, then its Sam for me. He is used to wheeling & dealing with limited resources and could make an impact in the January transfer window.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Today was a match up between who we could've bought (Huddlestone) and who we eventually bought (Andrews). No contest.

A thought that struck me during the game. I think the non-signing of a Huddlestone in Jan could be as pivotal a turning point for the club as the failure to land Roy Keane. Ince, while adding to his own demise, has just exposed underlying weaknesses brought about by a long-term lack of investment and plain interest by the owners.

I would hope by now that we can all move on from the petty name-calling and point-scoring that has ruined this board for weeks now. I couldn't give a toss who thinks they knew better by when. 50% of managers get sacked within 2 years so predicting Ince's failure was no great insight by anyone.

The club is in deep trouble and we all need to pull together, not to support the current manager, but to impress on the Board that change is needed now in several areas: manager and assorted lackeys, January investment budget and commitment by the owners. Take the club off the market, tell Williams to sort a new manager ASAP or face the chop, and support an Andy Cole like level of investment, adjusted up a few million for inflation and rising income.

In other words, the owners should act as Jack would have done and would no doubt wish them to do right now if he can see this crapfest.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Why would Jol leave a successful big club like Hamburg with their 50,000+ gates to come to little,struggling,no-money Rovers?

P.S.

I would love to see the fella here too btw

[Anti Euro Smiths Fan]

Desperate times - and Mr Ince says the performance against Spurs was "absolutely outstanding"

We've got massive problems and are stuck in the bottom three. It's now no wins in 8 games, which is clearly relegation form. We're not creating any decent chances from open play. The team is a shambles. Our lack of creativity and pace going forward is pitiful.

And yet - almost astonishingly - Paul Emerson Ince claimed that the performance against Spurs was "absolutely outstanding". I kid you not. He actually said those words. It's frightening isn't it? Can you remember Gomez having a lot of saves to make in the match? Can you remember Rovers creating plenty of chances through "absolutely outstanding" play?

Bizzarely, Ince also told the BBC today: "If the ball is in the right place for us then we get a point". I can't quite work that one out. If we are "absolutely outstanding" then surely the team would be able to get the ball in the right place needed.

Ince told the BBC: "We are still going forward". Try and work that one out if you can after no wins in 8 games. If our current form is "going forward" then clearly we've got big problems. "We wanna keep picking points up," said Ince after the match. "Teams are not cutting us apart" he said.

Well we've got the joint-worst defensive record in the Premiership, but according to Ince "teams are not cutting us apart".

I think it's now time for John Williams to admit that he made a big mistake in appointing the so-called "guv'nor" - an inarticulate man who appears out of his depth at this managerial level. A man famously described as a big-time Charlie, who grew up on a council estate in Ilford and now finds himself over-promoted beyond his capabilities.

Ince doesn't have the managerial qualities or the tactical nous that the team needs in the desperate relegation battle that we're now in. Ince picks players in the wrong positions. He chooses the wrong tactics and leaves the strikers completely isolated up front.

Ince let David Bentley go without getting a remotely adequate replacement in for him. Mr Ince doesn't seem to understand the need for creativity and the need for wide players to attack the full-backs and get good crosses in. If Ince thinks the performance against Spurs was "absolutely outstanding", then by God we're in a mess.

You can hear Ince tell BBC commentator Steve Wilson that the performance today was "absolutely outstanding" at the link below. Please watch it, but I should warn you that it's truly frightening stuff.

Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/m...day/7744875.stm

[T4E]

Hamburg haven't quite kept up their early season form. Not saying he'd come, but they aren't in the CL places any more.

[Rovermatt]

A man famously described as a big-time Charlie, who grew up on a council estate in Ilford and now finds himself over-promoted beyond his capabilities.

This is of course entirely relevant. Where one grows up properly reflects one's ability as a football manager. Alex Ferguson for instance is well known as having been born and raised in a castle.

[Kremmin]

Desperate times - and Mr Ince says the performance against Spurs was "absolutely outstanding"

We've got massive problems and are stuck in the bottom three. It's now no wins in 8 games, which is clearly relegation form. We're not creating any decent chances from open play. The team is a shambles. Our lack of creativity and pace going forward is pitiful.

And yet - almost astonishingly - Paul Emerson Ince claimed that the performance against Spurs was "absolutely outstanding". I kid you not. He actually said those words. It's frightening isn't it? Can you remember Gomez having a lot of saves to make in the match? Can you remember Rovers creating plenty of chances through "absolutely outstanding" play?

Bizzarely, Ince also told the BBC today: "If the ball is in the right place for us then we get a point". I can't quite work that one out. If we are "absolutely outstanding" then surely the team would be able to get the ball in the right place needed.

Ince told the BBC: "We are still going forward". Try and work that one out if you can after no wins in 8 games. If our current form is "going forward" then clearly we've got big problems. "We wanna keep picking points up," said Ince after the match. "Teams are not cutting us apart" he said.

Well we've got the joint-worst defensive record in the Premiership, but according to Ince "teams are not cutting us apart".

I think it's now time for John Williams to admit that he made a big mistake in appointing the so-called "guv'nor" - an inarticulate man who appears out of his depth at this managerial level. A man famously described as a big-time Charlie, who grew up on a council estate in Ilford and now finds himself over-promoted beyond his capabilities.

Ince doesn't have the managerial qualities or the tactical nous that the team needs in the desperate relegation battle that we're now in. Ince picks players in the wrong positions. He chooses the wrong tactics and leaves the strikers completely isolated up front.

Ince let David Bentley go without getting a remotely adequate replacement in for him. Mr Ince doesn't seem to understand the need for creativity and the need for wide players to attack the full-backs and get good crosses in. If Ince thinks the performance against Spurs was "absolutely outstanding", then by God we're in a mess.

You can hear Ince tell BBC commentator Steve Wilson that the performance today was "absolutely outstanding" at the link below. Please watch it, but I should warn you that it's truly frightening stuff.

Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/m...day/7744875.stm

Agreed AES. Our wingers are non-factors, making Roque's presence in the team a waste of time and money.

Gamst has been in a slump for three years now that we all hoped he'd get out of. Time to realise he's had his little purple patch and just can't cut it anymore. If he didn't have a left foot, he'd be running around for an ordinary Championship team. Allowing Bentley to leave without replacing him will be the end of Ince ... he gambled on bringing Andrews with him and has lost. And for all of Robinson's improvement in the last month, he too is not the equal of Friedel. If Roque goes in January OR if we don't find a decent left or right winger to put the ball on his head, we're dead.

Time to cut our losses I'm afraid. Don't care if it's Sam or not ... just get us out of this mess.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

That is still a major issue, who do we replace him with?

Big Sam is too short term in my view as we will avoid relegation but would we progress?

We need someone with the vision to lead a group of players who on paper are quality:

Martin Jol is my favourite, I must say that I always liked the way he went about his business at Spurs and is doing a fantastic job in Germany, anyone know John Williams number?

Sometimes I can't quite believe what I'm reading in some contributions. "we will avoid relegation but would we progress " ? Well matey from where I'm sitting that looks like progress to me !

[krislu]

Desperate times - and Mr Ince says the performance against Spurs was "absolutely outstanding"

Ince told the BBC: "We are still going forward". Try and work that one out if you can after no wins in 8 games. If our current form is "going forward" then clearly we've got big problems. "We wanna keep picking points up," said Ince after the match. "Teams are not cutting us apart" he said.

Just saw the interview "still going forward" and we are almost rock bottom :D

[Sysagent]

It was horrible to watch MOTD II just then, me & the missus were embarrassed to watch the shocking performance from the team and then the manager afterwards.

Even the Beeb were kindly enough to talk more about Spurs than us (nothing changes).

When Ince said "Our performance was outstanding" I said "Is he on drugs", I don't know about him but I think I need to be to get through the rest of this season.

Also did you not notice that Ince had that "look? The look of a haunted man, the one that Managers get when they know they are up for the chop?

[tony gale's mic]

How can he think it's not a sending off? Christ every single fan on here can see it was, surely we're meant to be the irrational ones when it comes to these things, not the manager.

We're in the relegation zone with a man at our helm who isn't just an awful manager, he's also a complete buffoon.

[John]

Also did you not notice that Ince had that "look? The look of a haunted man, the one that Managers get when they know they are up for the chop?

I think he looks very worried but trying to keep things positive with his comments.

[Sysagent]

I think he looks very worried but trying to keep things positive with his comments.

If "positive" means delusional then yes I agree with you John!

[Paul Mellelieu]

Desperate times - and Mr Ince says the performance against Spurs was "absolutely outstanding"

A man famously described as a big-time Charlie, who grew up on a council estate in Ilford and now finds himself over-promoted beyond his capabilities.

Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/m...day/7744875.stm

What a pathetic snob you are.

[FourLaneBlue]

There is only ONE thing that Ince has shown that is a plus point and that is his willingness to give youth a chance. Today however it was his undoing as one of the young guys let him down. That said I think Olsson has a lot about him and will be a good player for us in years to come. Also I would rather have our youth players making mistakes for us than United youth players like Simpson has done..

That is the only thing I can say that could be a positive about Ince. There have been many posts about all the negative aspects about his regime. Even Souness at the end of his regime when he had lost the plot could at least have reasons rather than a solitary one why he is not all bad.

Those saying back the manager should realise that doing so is against the best interests of the club. We need Ince out and a replacement brought in. At this moment almost any manager would be an improvement.

Not nice to say but Ince has to go and giving him an extra game or so is a waste of time...even a few good results (no idea where we would get them) would not change the underlying issue...that Paul Ince is not the right choice to be manager of Blackburn Rovers.

We are in big trouble this season whatever happens. We should get ready for a long hard season...Ince was right for once when he said that.

[neekoy]

Anyone still up for that bet?

Eddie?

[philipl]

Blasted Rovers.

Could not sleep last night.

Only one ray of sunshine. BFS hitting the press with his "I am available" comments big time this week-end.

This is not an argument for BFS (but he would be a vast improvement over Ince now as he would have been in the summer) but Sam's timing could be a big hint. He is hardly a candidate for Man City so the only likely vacancy at present is the Ewood one. Living as he does near Bolton, he is bound to have picked up the inside mutterings leaking out of Rovers and his one man PR campaign means he has judged that a change is very near.

Perservering with Ince for the Pompey game will simply be gratuitously throwing the chance of three points away at a crisis club which after the January sales could well be prime relegation candidates.

A cold hard assessment by John Williams and the Board this morning I think would overwhelmingly point to acting now rather than letting the agony be prolonged.

In addition to a League Cup Quarter Final against a less than full strength Mancs, there are 18 points to be played for in the PL before the transfer window opens. If a new Manager galvanises the team, there is enough opportunity for Rovers to be going into the Transfer Window with a chance of UEFA qualification on at least one front rather than being semi-dead relegation candidates. That will make a phenomenal difference to the sort of players we could sign. Rovers would also get themselves a Manager they would trust with the transfer kitty and it is perfectly obvious they didn't trust Ince with the dosh this summer.

I can see virtually no argument for not sacking Ince today.

[47er]

That is still a major issue, who do we replace him with?

Big Sam is too short term in my view as we will avoid relegation but would we progress?

We need someone with the vision to lead a group of players who on paper are quality:

Martin Jol is my favourite, I must say that I always liked the way he went about his business at Spurs and is doing a fantastic job in Germany, anyone know John Williams number?

Big Sam is short-term??????? Are you completely bonkers? How long was he in SUCCESSFUL charge at Bolton?

"We will avoid relegation but will we progress?" Avoiding relegation is the biggest single bit of progress we could make.

the real problem is "would he agree to join us?"

[47er]

A point that I made in the pub. This gap in midfield has been apparent for some time. Covered up under Hughes but exposed by Ince. We all know that we've needed investment in the centre of midfield for at least 2 years and probably more. Tugay's longevity whilst admirable in itself might now be providing our undoing.

While accepting that we are very weak in central mid-field, surely Andrews and the Axe are never the answer unless everyone else is unavailable?What's wrong with starting Emerton and Tugay in those positions? If Tugay comes off after an hour we might at least have something to defend. Ince does not have a clue.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

Ince has got to go now. For the second week running a young full back left totally exposed and Ince does not respond. Again this shows he does not learn lessons.

He has to go now so that a replacement manager has time to assess the squad and can line replacements for January.

Players may say they are behind Ince but the fact they are talking the talk means their actions are not backing that up.

Previously there has been something positive to take from but there hasn't been in the last two matches.

[Paul]

Fifteen minutes in he said that when Spurs attacked, there was a 30 yard gap between our back 4 and midfield.

When we attacked, he said, there was an even bigger gap between the front 2 and the runners who would need a taxi to get into the box on time. Later in the game Dowie opined that our central midfield pair weren't good enough.

My wife came to the pub to watch for the first time this season and she spotted the same thing inside 20 minutes. The problem here is so glaringly obvious a blind man could see the problem.

I'm resigned to the situation now. Ince will go at some point if we are to have any chance of survival. I think it's more likely the decision will come too late and we will go down. I don't agree with those who say a new manager doesn't have time to sort things out before the January window arrives. A new man in today would have 10 weeks before the transfer window closed - surely that would be long enough?

[PAFELL]

Blasted Rovers.

Could not sleep last night.

Only one ray of sunshine. BFS hitting the press with his "I am available" comments big time this week-end.

This is not an argument for BFS (but he would be a vast improvement over Ince now as he would have been in the summer) but Sam's timing could be a big hint. He is hardly a candidate for Man City so the only likely vacancy at present is the Ewood one. Living as he does near Bolton, he is bound to have picked up the inside mutterings leaking out of Rovers and his one man PR campaign means he has judged that a change is very near.

Perservering with Ince for the Pompey game will simply be gratuitously throwing the chance of three points away at a crisis club which after the January sales could well be prime relegation candidates.

A cold hard assessment by John Williams and the Board this morning I think would overwhelmingly point to acting now rather than letting the agony be prolonged.

In addition to a League Cup Quarter Final against a less than full strength Mancs, there are 18 points to be played for in the PL before the transfer window opens. If a new Manager galvanises the team, there is enough opportunity for Rovers to be going into the Transfer Window with a chance of UEFA qualification on at least one front rather than being semi-dead relegation candidates. That will make a phenomenal difference to the sort of players we could sign. Rovers would also get themselves a Manager they would trust with the transfer kitty and it is perfectly obvious they didn't trust Ince with the dosh this summer.

I can see virtually no argument for not sacking Ince today.

But will it happen is the question. Rovers are not known for losing patience with managers.

[Parsonblue]

That is still a major issue, who do we replace him with?

Big Sam is too short term in my view as we will avoid relegation but would we progress?

We need someone with the vision to lead a group of players who on paper are quality:

Martin Jol is my favourite, I must say that I always liked the way he went about his business at Spurs and is doing a fantastic job in Germany, anyone know John Williams number?

At the moment, avoiding relegation has to be main priority and I fully agree with you that Big Sam would do that. With regard to the long term, if we are not going to get new investment in the club - and at the moment there is no sign of that whatsoever - we need a manager who can wheel and deal and bring in players who others aren't interested in and get them to perform. Again, I feel that Big Sam could do that. The financial position of the club really means we need an experienced manager who can cope with Premiership football on a shoestring budget.

[Mike Graham]

Can someone paste and copy this thread to John Williams please?

I'll add my message first: "SACK THE PILLOCK....NOW !!