[Archived] Paul Ince

[ABBEY]

demos...brings back memories of the nutall st."if you dont move son your nicked !" as he wacked me with his truncheon.

[gillibrand]

Please tell us what you think Bfs would bring to the club other than short term security (and thats only a maybe) is it possibly his "entertaining" long ball game, his ability to bring in ageing mercenries looking for that final pay packet, or would it be his amazing ability to keep us hovering just above the relegation zone season in and season out?......and you think we're clowns?

By the way were you one of the fans demonstrating against Big Sam outside Ewood Park? And if you did yes I think you are a very mixed up fan , I also think Sam could do a great job for us and not just keep us in the premiership, I rate him every bit as good as Hughes, it's about winning not going on about long ball football, Ince will have us playing kick and run football in a lower division!

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"Olsson should not have been sent off!"- Paul Ince on SSN website.

This is the man in charge of our team, I can't believe he actually said that. Olsson was quite clearly deserved of his red card, you go to ground in dangerous places you get booked, keep doing it off you go. Now Im not going to lay into Olsson too much because hes a young lad with potential, he was at fault for the goal but that was lack of experience and should have been sent off. Why didn't he play Warnock? Have I missed something?

My biggest worry is Ince trying to play players out of position. Yesterday was prime example, Oojer at RB, he can play right back but hes not the fastest and hes a much better CB. Would it have made more sense to play Emmerton there? Especially with Bentley playing on the left.

Another problem is he seems weak when it comes to player power, this week Mokoena, a rather poor defensive midfielder, complains hes not playing enough and hes rewarded with a start and plays badly. The game was a Tugay game Spurs dont close down great in Midfield Tugay would have had a field day picking off passes yesterday.

Another point about yesterdays midfield it was embarrassing, Mokoena and Andrews - NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR PREMIERSHIP we have Vogel who seemed half decent and has played in some big leagues for big clubs looks good on the ball yet hes in the reserves being told to find himself a new club instead we have a hired thug and a Lower League midfielder.

We seem as others pointed out to have lots of 'outstanding performences' and 'lots of effort' actually we dont, the football is generally the standard of League 2 with nice glimpses when not necessary. We lack fight and cutting edge, yet we have two of the best strikers in the league.

Going back to the Olsson red card I honestly believe that Ince didn't know what to do, he took a striker off when we were one-nil down and played a 4-4-1, fair enough if we are winning but we were losing. My limited football tactical knowlege would have seen Simpson replace Andrews or Mokoena and play a 3 man midfield with Pederson and Emmerton drifting wide when needed, or even playing 3-4-2 with 3 CBs and having Pederson and Emmerton in Wing back roles which both are more than capable of doing.

Something needs to be done, attendences are falling we are in freefall in the league and time is running out.

[thenodrog]

I would hope by now that we can all move on from the petty name-calling and point-scoring that has ruined this board for weeks now. I couldn't give a toss who thinks they knew better by when. 50% of managers get sacked within 2 years so predicting Ince's failure was no great insight by anyone.

Au contraire EiT. Reading back to through the 'New manager' thread on page 10 I suggest a fans committee in future to help and advise the club with any new manager selection should consist primarily of Jan, JimMk2, and Yours truly..... with Den waiting in the wings!

[almuncle]

With Frisky Jim as chairman?

[cn174]

Why didn't he play Warnock? Have I missed something?

He was suspended because of 5 yellows.

[T4E]

Au contraire EiT. Reading back to through the 'New manager' thread on page 10 I suggest a fans committee in future to help and advise the club with any new manager selection should consist primarily of Jan, JimMk2, and Yours truly..... with Den waiting in the wings!

Oi - if I'm going to get 5 months of abuse I atleast want in on the glory.

[Parsonblue]

Please tell us what you think Bfs would bring to the club other than short term security (and thats only a maybe) is it possibly his "entertaining" long ball game, his ability to bring in ageing mercenries looking for that final pay packet, or would it be his amazing ability to keep us hovering just above the relegation zone season in and season out?......and you think we're clowns?

Sam would bring to us what he brought to Bolton. A top ten club on a shoestring budget. The football I watched at Tottenham yesterday was outstandingly poor. We are playing the long ball game under Ince - long punts downfield in the hope that Roque can bring it down and hold it up until our rather slow midfield decide to stroll forward to support him. At least with Sam the long ball game was structured so that the target player had men around him to lay it off to. Ince seems to prefer to play pretty triangles in our own half of the field. Having watched every game of his management so far I have been far from entertained. The only time I felt that we have really played well was in the first half against Villa when they had an off day but still won the match. I applaud him for trying to play football but ultimately the League table shows that it's not working.

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He was suspended because of 5 yellows.

cheers

although ssn website said he was in the squad!!

[MCMC1875]

So Mr Ince says Rovers put in another good performance?

-WELL HE MUST BE WATCHING ANOTHER TEAM!!!

-Rovers have been panned in the press and deservedly.

-Ollsen was run ragged.

-Andrews would be more at home playing for Stanley.

Get packing Mr Ince and take Andrews, Fowler, Matthias & co with you.

-SEND FOR MR PARKES & FAZ IMMEDIATELY!

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Just remembered another point of Ince's reign which annoys me whilst playin FM. He has a defensive coach who is seen contsantly talking about Arsenal onn TV and supposedly works only twice a week because he lives in London. At the moment our defence needs all the coaching it can get yet its got a half arsed attempt of a coaching setup.

[Athlete]

So Mr Ince says Rovers put in another good performance?

-WELL HE MUST BE WATCHING ANOTHER TEAM!!!

-Rovers have been panned in the press and deservedly.

-Ollsen was run ragged.

-Andrews would be more at home playing for Stanley.

Get packing Mr Ince and take Andrews, Fowler, Matthias & co with you.

-SEND FOR MR PARKES & FAZ IMMEDIATELY!

INCE OUT

andrews , ollson totally out of their depth give TP a ring

[broadsword]

I actually don't think Andrews was that bad.

If you're going to pick on Andrews, you need to have a pop at Mokoena and Pederson first.

[waggy]

have'nt bothered posting latley,but i ask you all.if we had not sacked ROY HODGSON would we have gone down.if we sack PAUL INCE and get another manager in and relagated are we going to be stuck with him for another season like BRIAN KIDD.PAUL INCE deserves the season,if we go down he gets fired along with the men who appionted him.then we have a new manager for the new season.why you might ask does PAUL INCE deserve a full season,i reply when the team crosses that white line at 3pm the players are responsible for the results.

is it PAUL INCES fault ,players get sent off?

is it his fault players cannot beat the 1st man with corners or free kicks

is it his fault seasoned professional make horrendous mistakes?

i think rocky will be sacrificed in the transfer window,all off the money must be given to ince to buy 3 or 4 players.to me 18 million is 10 million more than the player is worth.

[Hughesy]

I actually don't think Andrews was that bad.

If you're going to pick on Andrews, you need to have a pop at Mokoena and Pederson first.

Very true. Ollson, Mokoena & Pedersen - and subs Derbyshire & Treacy did far less than Andrews.

Iv come to the conclusion that I think Ince should be allowed 1 more game. If we lose at Pompey then I feel he has to go, as we wont be getting much against Liverpool in the following league game.

[gillibrand]

have'nt bothered posting latley,but i ask you all.if we had not sacked ROY HODGSON would we have gone down.if we sack PAUL INCE and get another manager in and relagated are we going to be stuck with him for another season like BRIAN KIDD.PAUL INCE deserves the season,if we go down he gets fired along with the men who appionted him.then we have a new manager for the new season.why you might ask does PAUL INCE deserve a full season,i reply when the team crosses that white line at 3pm the players are responsible for the results.

is it PAUL INCES fault ,players get sent off?

is it his fault players cannot beat the 1st man with corners or free kicks

is it his fault seasoned professional make horrendous mistakes?

i think rocky will be sacrificed in the transfer window,all off the money must be given to ince to buy 3 or 4 players.to me 18 million is 10 million more than the player is worth.

You are joking, right.

[gumboots]

have'nt bothered posting latley,but i ask you all.if we had not sacked ROY HODGSON would we have gone down.if we sack PAUL INCE and get another manager in and relagated are we going to be stuck with him for another season like BRIAN KIDD.PAUL INCE deserves the season,if we go down he gets fired along with the men who appionted him.then we have a new manager for the new season.why you might ask does PAUL INCE deserve a full season,i reply when the team crosses that white line at 3pm the players are responsible for the results.

is it PAUL INCES fault ,players get sent off?

is it his fault players cannot beat the 1st man with corners or free kicks

is it his fault seasoned professional make horrendous mistakes?

i think rocky will be sacrificed in the transfer window,all off the money must be given to ince to buy 3 or 4 players.to me 18 million is 10 million more than the player is worth.

Actually it is sometimes the manager's fault when young and inexperienced players get sent off. He should have seen what was happening and subbed him after the first card, according to my husband who was actually watching the game. I found better things to do with my sunday afternoon.

It is also down to the manager to some extent if players perform badly - it's his job to prepare them and if they believe in what he's told them they'll generally do it.

It's also his fault if corner takers are rubbish - they are supposed to practise during the week, and while anyone can have an off day, this has been an off season so far.

Players have to take some responsibility, but they need guidance and suport and it seems to be lacking at the moment. If redknapp can change that load of underachievers at WHL just by telling them they're brilliant, why can't our manager do the same? If Keane can give teamtalks that get his players going, why can't our manager? I really wanted Ince to succeed, but I fear for us if something doesn't happen next game to build a bit of confidence within the team.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Au contraire EiT. Reading back to through the 'New manager' thread on page 10 I suggest a fans committee in future to help and advise the club with any new manager selection should consist primarily of Jan, JimMk2, and Yours truly..... with Den waiting in the wings!

You'll forgive me if I don't ask you to pick my lottery numbers for me: predicting failure for a man promoted 3 levels in a profession where virtually all appointments end in the sack is hardly in the Mystic Meg league. And I believe your actual prediction was for him gone before the clocks went back.

Personally, I think anyone who needs to boost their sense of self-worth by gloating on an internet message board to a bunch of complete strangers needs some serious therapy, so it's nice to see how cut up you are about the club's predicament....

[rovers_rob]

I actually don't think Andrews was that bad.

If you're going to pick on Andrews, you need to have a pop at Mokoena and Pederson first.

Mokoena and Andrews didn't play well, I thought their positioning was terrible. I think it has been mentioned earlier on this thread that there was a huge gap between the defence and midfield which left us exposed. The manager has to take responsibility for that. If spurs had gone up a gear I think they would have ripped us apart.

I have defended Ince in the past but now I have serious doubts about his management. We play neat and tidy football when we are going forward but as a defensive unit we look poor.

It’s not about the performance, it’s not about playing "the correct way" it’s about results. We looked dangerous when the ball was played early to Santa Cruz but even when there was only a couple of minutes left we were still trying to play tippy tappy football.

Ince is convinced that if we carry on playing like we are then the results will come.

I hope he is right but i'm not convinced.

[BrianPotter]

I've been keeping quiet on this one until now as I was one that thought we should give Ince a chance when he was appointed. At first I thought the signs weren't too bad but to be honest I've got to say that I'm now very worried. Our recent record is awful, and there are managers out there that have been sacked with a better run of results behind them than we've had. I think that all managers should be given a chance to get things right but I just cant see anything to encourage that Ince will turn out to be OK in the long term. It just seems to get worse and worse.

The more I watch us play, it just seems that our tactics are way off and the players just dont look comfortable in what they're been asked to do. TBH most of my concerns seem to point towards the manager:

(1). Tactics. Very Naive and seem to repeat the same errors over and over again. To Blame: The Manager

(2). Players. Dont look comfortable with the system or our tactical approach. To Blame: The Manager

(3). Winterburn. The whole setup with this so called defensive coach is nothing short of farcical (like some of our defending). Who appoints him: The Manager

(4). Media Handling. For me Ince's handling of the media is very questionable. Seems to speak when he shouldnt and not speak when he should.

(5). Transfers and Targets. This is a major issue for me. Whilst we know that we dont have huge sums to throw around I am totally convinced that the lack of quality signings in the summer were down to the manager and not the boards restriction on available funds. In my opinion we have not been linked with one single player that excited me in the slightest since Ince was appointed. I cant help but think that he just hasnt got the ability to judge or attract players at this level.

In summary, the best way I can sum things up is the whole Ince operation just seems to be very amatuer and hes out of his depth at this level.

I hate to say it but I honestly think he has probably got to go for the good of our club. Its alright him saying about transitions and time but the one thing we dont have at this level of football is time.

[Silencio]

I've been keeping quiet on this one until now as I was one that thought we should give Ince a chance when he was appointed. At first I thought the signs weren't too bad but to be honest I've got to say that I'm now very worried. Our recent record is awful, and there are managers out there that have been sacked with a better run of results behind them than we've had. I think that all managers should be given a chance to get things right but I just cant see anything to encourage that Ince will turn out to be OK in the long term. It just seems to get worse and worse.

The more I watch us play, it just seems that our tactics are way off and the players just dont look comfortable in what they're been asked to do. TBH most of my concerns seem to point towards the manager:

(1). Tactics. Very Naive and seem to repeat the same errors over and over again. To Blame: The Manager

(2). Players. Dont look comfortable with the system or our tactical approach. To Blame: The Manager

(3). Winterburn. The whole setup with this so called defensive coach is nothing short of farcical (like some of our defending). Who appoints him: The Manager

(4). Media Handling. For me Ince's handling of the media is very questionable. Seems to speak when he shouldnt and not speak when he should.

(5). Transfers and Targets. This is a major issue for me. Whilst we know that we dont have huge sums to throw around I am totally convinced that the lack of quality signings in the summer were down to the manager and not the boards restriction on available funds. In my opinion we have not been linked with one single player that excited me in the slightest since Ince was appointed. I cant help but think that he just hasnt got the ability to judge or attract players at this level.

In summary, the best way I can sum things up is the whole Ince operation just seems to be very amatuer and hes out of his depth at this level.

I hate to say it but I honestly think he has probably got to go for the good of our club. Its alright him saying about transitions and time but the one thing we dont have at this level of football is time.

Great post.

[Parsonblue]

have'nt bothered posting latley,but i ask you all.if we had not sacked ROY HODGSON would we have gone down.if we sack PAUL INCE and get another manager in and relagated are we going to be stuck with him for another season like BRIAN KIDD.PAUL INCE deserves the season,if we go down he gets fired along with the men who appionted him.then we have a new manager for the new season.why you might ask does PAUL INCE deserve a full season,i reply when the team crosses that white line at 3pm the players are responsible for the results.

is it PAUL INCES fault ,players get sent off?

is it his fault players cannot beat the 1st man with corners or free kicks

is it his fault seasoned professional make horrendous mistakes?

i think rocky will be sacrificed in the transfer window,all off the money must be given to ince to buy 3 or 4 players.to me 18 million is 10 million more than the player is worth.

I agree with your original point that if we hadn't sacked Roy Hodgson we would probably have stayed up. However, unfortunately, Paul Ince is no Roy Hodgson.

[leftfooter]

Au contraire EiT. Reading back to through the 'New manager' thread on page 10 I suggest a fans committee in future to help and advise the club with any new manager selection should consist primarily of Jan, JimMk2, and Yours truly..... with Den waiting in the wings!

Most had reservations about Ince, but were prepared to give the man the benefit of the doubt.

The kindest verdict we can give thus far is a 'not proven' - and that's putting it mildly.

Fair play to you TND for sticking to your guns re BFS. Let's hope the golf clubs can be safely put to bed of a Saturday afternoon in the near future.

Whilst speaking for myself, I believe what rankled with most however was the gratuitously hostile invective, aimed at Ince before even a ball had been kicked in anger. This went against most peoples’ sense of fair play. Most of this self-appointed lynch mob seemed to be constituted of social misfits and cyber miscreants with little connection to Blackburn or East Lancs itself. I was surprised therefore at you for allowing yourself to be associated with them.

Funnily enough, that seems to be a characteristic of most of the mindless 'Paulette' style Ince cheerleaders too, who are generally conspicuous by their post during the majority of Rovers home matches; lack of proximity to the local area, and it would appear to reality. I’m not sure if these factors are connected!

Further to the above, I doubt many would oppose an approach to BFS right now, as boutique football Ilford style has thus far not proven a success as franchised in our part of East Lancs.

Crucially Ince appears to have lost the plot and therefore the support of the 'man on the Hyndburn omnibus'. We seem all to easily to have got used to losing to mediocre opposition. This is something that we cannot tolerate for much longer and we have to start winning or we'll end up being relegated with the nightmare scenario of potentially doing a Charlton.

The club is bigger than Ince, John Williams, the players and whichever particular coterie of fans with an axe to grind chooses to post on here or elsewhere. We’re not even drifting however; we’re sinking.

It’s time to be of one voice and speak out. Like Jeremiah I now stand before Ince, Williams, the Board and the Trustees and say the following:

By your collective apathy, neglect and incompetence you have presided over the decline and fall of our club. You have stolen our greatness, our pride and our destiny. By listening to false prophets you have allowed idolatry to prosper, the silver to be tarnished and our precious stones to be cast into the street. Our enemies’ gloat over us without pity, our hearts ache and our eyes grow dim. Mr. Ince, Mr. Williams, the Trustees and the degenerate progeny of the Walker family, you will drink from the same cup of retribution.

[philipl]

wow!

Is there a plague of locusts smiley anywhere?

[leftfooter]

wow!

Is there a plague of locusts smiley anywhere?

Damn you Philipl; you were supposed to be the warm up act!