[Archived] Paul Ince

[PAFELL]

wow!

Is there a plague of locusts smiley anywhere?

I think that he is a tad upset at the moment - I agree with Ince out part - as to the board, we should see what they are made of now. - Jack Walker trust, to be honest I don't know enough about them to slag them off, but do wish they could and would support the club more financially so Rovers could compete with the top clubs.

Plague of locusts smiley - no can do, sorry you'll have to get your own.

[T4E]

Has he gone yet or wot?

[gillibrand]

Worst some simple people want to give Ince money to spend on players!

[dingles staying down 4ever]

Worst some simple people want to give Ince money to spend on players!

Apparently Tony cottee who Ince played with at WHU as arrived at Ewood on trial. Alvin Martin is signing tomorrow as the defensive lynch pin.

[almuncle]

Apparently Tony cottee who Ince played with at WHU as arrived at Ewood on trial. Alvin Martin is signing tomorrow as the defensive lynch pin.

Alvin Martin.. I heard it was Alvin the Chipmunk

[gillibrand]

You have to laarf!

[FourLaneBlue]

PAUL INCE deserves the season

Paul Ince deserves nothing. The man is paid a fortune by the club and has taken a three-time Top Ten team down into the relegation spaces and under his watch we have slowly got worse and worse.

[Majiball]

Ince has had over 4 months to get the players playing how he wants, thats plenty of time to get them in the swing of things. Either the players are too thick to follow the instructions or the instructions are flawed, as its blatantly obvious the system is awful.

We have become long ball merchants, The commenter made a positive comment about rovers yesterday, we played four passes near our area all of which went to there man, he said we played some good stuff. At this point in the game I had had enough I expect players of the calibre of ours to be able to string 4 passes together. I was banished from the room.

We where playing disjointedly in pre-season we are still playing this way four months down the line, the click is not coming. We need a change now we cannot afford to wait, I have seen nothing to restore my faith.

Swallow your pride JW, if I can you can, Ince fooled us all!!!

[simdohquo]

Ince should go...

Despite teh talent and the injuries... when we play we play with out any direction or strategy...

Fowler and Andrews.. why are they on the bench or playing??????

If Ince can't recognise that Pederson was at fault for not tracking back to help Olsson then he is more than a fool!

He's lost the plot, the fans and the dressing room.

Put money on RSC goign to City in January if it isn't sorted soon...

[G Somerset Rover]

In addition to what I've posted earlier i must say that Ince's tactics were laughable yesterday. I say fair play to him for playing one up top for a period when we went down to ten men - it was crucial that we didn't concede a second-especially before half time and therefore face a hiding. However when you're starting to reach the 70th minute surely the alarm bells must be ringing that a more attacking formation is required? So what does he do? Throw on Derbyshire to play right wing in exchange for another winger and Treacey to play left wing instead of Gamst.

Not even in the final ten minutes did we play with two up front in the hope of getting an equalizer..it was simply schoolboy management and I was amazed watching on. Where was the urgency? Why wasn't Roberts thrown up front, or Derbyshire told to stay on the last man? Where was the last throw of the dice?

Ince is constantly proving himself to be tactically inept and is getting out-thought week in week out.

[roverfanuk]

Im saying this at a stretch. But Ince deserves 3 more games to rectify the situation. If we loose more then 1 of them, he should go... If we don't get at least 3-4 points from them, he needs to go...

We need a win at least against Portsmouth or Wigan, and a draw against Liverpool...

Portsmouth (Away)

Liverpool (Home)

Wigan (Away)

Good luck Paul...

Just to add, if Paul Ince's management of the club ended now. He would officially be the 2nd worst manager that we have had in 18 years. Only beaten by Brian Kidd...

[mckenny16]

It's a bit of a catch-22. If Ince does get a point against Portsmouth and beats Wigan then we're going to have to put up with him for longer. But if we lose those three games, then there is a better chance of him getting fired. It's comparable to England losing to Croatia. A lot of people recognised that the loss was a blessing in disguise due to McClown getting fired and Capello coming in.

I'm not saying that BFS is Capello, but he is an improvement on Ince. And once he secured Bolton as a top ten team, there was more attractive football being played, not just the long ball tactics. Granted, it was his primary style, but there was some good football played as well.

[FourLaneBlue]

have'nt bothered posting latley,but i ask you all.if we had not sacked ROY HODGSON would we have gone down.if we sack PAUL INCE and get another manager in and relagated are we going to be stuck with him for another season like BRIAN KIDD.

So because we sacked Roy Hodgson and got the next appointment wrong we should not sack Ince? This is Roy Hodgson, the ex-Inter manager and who took a team to the World Cup, being compared to someone who had never managed outside League 2 before?

I find your post hypocritical...Correct me if I am wrong but I seem to remember you wanting Souness sacked and rabbiting about it on here. Yet when others say the same about Ince they are not true fans and apparently not welcome at Ewood?

How does that work? If sauce what´s good for the goose is good for the gander waggy...

Apologies if my mind is playing tricks on me and you did not want Souness out.

[Alan75]

At least this latest managerial fiasco has got Jan and Abbey singing from the same hymn sheet.

The more I hear and see, the more I remember Jim Iley's time as manager at Ewood.

[T4E]

Has he gone yet?

[Eddie]

I still think he deserves a bit of time. I don't think we're playing nearly as badly as many on here are saying that we are and I do think it will turn around in the near future.

[Hughesy]

If we lose/ Draw at Pompey and lose to Liverpool at Home then im sure the pressure will be too much and the board will have to act. I was very worried watching our performance yesterday, we looked sapped of confidence and Ince looked like he was about to break out crying. I felt sorry for him, but results are what count.

[LDRover]

I still think he deserves a bit of time. I don't think we're playing nearly as badly as many on here are saying that we are and I do think it will turn around in the near future.

I'll ask again, what have you seen during his tenure that makes you think he'll turn the situation around?

And before you reply that you think we're playing well, quantify that reasoning based on something other than your own flawed perception.

[MCMC1875]

At least this latest managerial fiasco has got Jan and Abbey singing from the same hymn sheet.

The more I hear and see, the more I remember Jim Iley's time as manager at Ewood.

Bloody 'ell - that was grim!

[Jan]

I still think he deserves a bit of time. I don't think we're playing nearly as badly as many on here are saying that we are and I do think it will turn around in the near future.

That's because you're seeing the games from France.

[rog of the rovers]

Can we have a list of people who seriously want Ince out, so we can name and shame later?

Stats for you to look at

Analysis of Premier League record at 14 game mark

1992/1993 (1st season of the Premiership, 4th) P 14 27

1993/1994 (Runners up, Ewood rebuilt, 2nd) P 14 Pts 23

1994/1995 (Champions!! 1st) P 14 Pts 30

1995/1996 (so long messers Harford and Shearer, 7th) P 14 Pts 17

1996/1997 (Parkes to the Rescue, 13th) P 14 Pts 9

1997/1998 (Hodgson, Sutton, Gallacher, Europe, 6th) P 14 Pts 27

1998/1999 (Relegation year, 19th) P 14 Pts 9

2001/2002 (1st season back Souness 10th) P 14 Pts 19 (we we stayed on until 18 games played)

2002/2003 (2nd season under Souey in Prem 6th) P 14 Pts 20

2003/2004 (3rd season under Souey, The year of The Stead, 15th) P 14 Pts 14

2004/2005 (Hughesy's first year, 15th) P 14 Pts 10

2005/2006 (2nd season under Hughes, The year of The Bellamy, 6th) P 14 Pts 18

2006/2007 (3rd season under Hughes, good cup year, 10th) P 14 Pts 16

2007/2008 (Last year, so long Sparky, 7th) P 14 Pts 23

2008/2009 (This year, under Incey, 19th) P 14 Pts 13

After 14 games

1. Dalglish 1994/1995 30 points finshed 1st

= 2. Dalglish 1992/1993 27 points finished 4th

= 2. Hodgson 1997/1998 27 points finished 6th

= 4. Dalglish 1993/1994 23 points finished 2nd

= 4. Hughes 2007/2008 23 points finished 7th

6. Souness 2002/2003 20 points finished 6th

7. Souness 2001/2002 19 points finished 10th

8. Hughes 2005/2006 18 points finished 6th

9. Harford 1995/1996 17 points finished 7th

10. Hughes 2006/2007 16 points finished 10th

11. Souness 2003/2004 14 points finished 15th

12. Ince 2008/2009 13 points finished ?

13. Hughes 2004/2005 10 points finished 15th

= 14. Harford 1996/1997 9 points finished 13th

= 14. Hodgson 1998/1999 9 points finished 19th

*Post from Allardyce thread, thought it would be more appropriate in here.

[Eddie]

I'll ask again, what have you seen during his tenure that makes you think he'll turn the situation around?

And before you reply that you think we're playing well, quantify that reasoning based on something other than your own flawed perception.

1) We create a reasonable number of chances every game, enough that if our strikers hit form (which at least one of them should at some point) that we will score more goals.

2) Nelsen looks better and if we can get a settled back four then I think we can stop looking so bad at the back, although for me that means Warnock has to go back to left-back.

3) We've been somewhat rocked by injuries and players missing over the past few weeks, meaning that we haven't been put out the same 11 for a run of games. Hopefully that will change and we'll be able to get a run of 10(ish) games with pretty much the same team, which should help.

4) Our own poor form has been combined with a relatively tough schedule to start with, which has meant that a lot of "easier" games have become high pressure ones. Now I would hope that this hasn't been a factor with the team, but I do feel it contribrutes to the fans perception of how things are going. This is why over the next few weeks I think things could improve quite a bit as the schedule doesn't look as bad.

I could be wrong, you never know. I was wrong when I didn't want to get rid of Souness (at least I assume he wouldn't have turned it around). Maybe I was wrong about things going stale under Hughes, but I do feel that some of what we are seeing is simply a continuation of that. Ince wasn't the man for the job for me, as I have said before, but he deserves more time than this. If we get rid of him now then we will simply be making the same mistakes that Spurs, Newcastle and dozens of other clubs regularly make. Now is a time to give the players and management our full support and not blink. If things still look bad in a couple of months then that will be when I would get rid, but for now he deserves time.

[Jan]

So, rog, what you're saying is that the position we're in is on a par with:

Souness's last full season- when he was a complete numpty

The season Hughes took over when we didn't even HAVE a striker until Hughes bought them in January

The terribly nice, but utterly useless Harford- who got sacked; and

The relegation season

Oh well, that makes me feel SO much better. Ince is clearly a genius. Make him pope!

* for the stupid* - he's just proved what he was trying to disprove.

1) We create a reasonable number of chances every game, enough that if our strikers hit form (which at least one of them should at some point) that we will score more goals.

2) Nelsen looks better and if we can get a settled back four then I think we can stop looking so bad at the back, although for me that means Warnock has to go back to left-back.

3) We've been somewhat rocked by injuries and players missing over the past few weeks, meaning that we haven't been put out the same 11 for a run of games. Hopefully that will change and we'll be able to get a run of 10(ish) games with pretty much the same team, which should help.

4) Our own poor form has been combined with a relatively tough schedule to start with, which has meant that a lot of "easier" games have become high pressure ones. Now I would hope that this hasn't been a factor with the team, but I do feel it contribrutes to the fans perception of how things are going. This is why over the next few weeks I think things could improve quite a bit as the schedule doesn't look as bad.

I could be wrong, you never know. I was wrong when I didn't want to get rid of Souness (at least I assume he wouldn't have turned it around). Maybe I was wrong about things going stale under Hughes, but I do feel that some of what we are seeing is simply a continuation of that. Ince wasn't the man for the job for me, as I have said before, but he deserves more time than this. If we get rid of him now then we will simply be making the same mistakes that Spurs, Newcastle and dozens of other clubs regularly make. Now is a time to give the players and management our full support and not blink. If things still look bad in a couple of months then that will be when I would get rid, but for now he deserves time.

In a couple of months time we'll be relegated.

For what it's worth- the majority of the sane (ie those who want him gone) and are vocal about it, are also those who realised that Souness' time was up. You really need to listen to us.

[rog of the rovers]

I am an Ince fan, and wasnt particularly trying to prove or disprove anything, just putting it into some context.

And I suppose if was trying to make a point it was that;

We have had worse starts and stayed up!

KEEP THE FAITH

[ABBEY]

Bloody 'ell - that was grim!

what is ? me and jan singing together or jim iley( he says with a cold sweat.....)