[Archived] Paul Ince

[CrazyIvan]

The injury issue is a fallacy - on both sides.

1. Man City under Hughes has suffered as many, if not more injuries than we have under Ince. No one would question Hughes's training methods. There are plenty legitimate reasons to criticise Ince: naive tactics, inept team selection and his unwillingness to accept responsibility spring immediately to mind. The injury situation is not one of them and its lazy thinking to continuously use this as a stick to beat Ince with.

2. All clubs have injuries and our injury list is currently bettered only by Aston Villa and Bolton. It's therefore lame of Ince and Eddie to keep hawking this around as an excuse. The more often you repeat the same idiotic mantra, the more it becomes accepted as a fact. It grates as much as his mindless bleating about midweek internationals and the club's lack of finances.

I think you're right apart from the size of our squad to most others in the Premier League which tends to make the injuries to key players harder to cope with but I agree, it should not be an excuse.

You are also right in that if you're gonna beat Ince with a stick, make it a real and quantifiable one rather than rumours, opinions, conjecture and things he is not in control of at all (you could argue that he isn't in control of anything but you know what I mean... ). If you're gonna beat him with any stick you also have to be prepared to praise him when he actually does something good. There's been a distinct lack of that balance on here recently.

[RibbleValleyRover]

The Vogel decision is baffling. I think most fans agree that he is a better player than Mokoena, he showed that even though he wasn’t fully match fit/sharp. He was absolutely immense against manure last season, only when he was starting to tire did manure start to get a real foothold into the game.

We don’t know what the hell has happened behind the scenes and I guess we will never know. It’s just a shame that he isn’t even being considered, he could help us in our current plight.

[John]

If you're gonna beat him with any stick you also have to be prepared to praise him when he actually does something good. There's been a distinct lack of that balance on here recently.

I would not say there have been many positives under his tenure. Santa signing a new contract until January 2009 is probably the biggest plus point of his reign so far....

[CrazyIvan]

I would not say there have been many positives under his tenure. Santa signing a new contract until January 2009 is probably the biggest plus point of his reign so far....

The re-emergence of Pedersen, Emertons form, youngsters being given a chance... Those are positives...

Unfortunately, that little lot matters very little when the team doesn't perform and doesn't get points and wins. Home form has been utterly dire too...

[John]

The re-emergence of Pedersen, Emertons form, youngsters being given a chance... Those are positives...

Scrapping the barrel a bit there are we not! I feel you are trying to remain positive when the reality is we are potentially in deep sh*t.

[mjs]

The re-emergence of Pedersen

When was that then? Because it bypassed me.

[CrazyIvan]

Scrapping the barrel a bit there are we not! I feel you are trying to remain positive when the reality is we are potentially in deep sh*t.

Yes we are but I don't think I'm scraping the barrel at all. They ARE positives.

[thenodrog]

i think rocky will be sacrificed in the transfer window,all off the money must be given to ince to buy 3 or 4 players.to me 18 million is 10 million more than the player is worth.

I'm sure that there is a replacement somewhere in the youth set up waggy.

[den]

Yes we are but I don't think I'm scraping the barrel at all. They ARE positives.

Emertons form? - what's all that about? Bert MK2 was reborn a couple of years ago, not just since Ince came along.

[CrazyIvan]

The "re-emergence of Emerton", - what's all that about? Bert MK2 was reborn a couple of years ago, not just since Ince came along.

I didn't say that Den. I said, and I quote, 'Emertons form' NOT his re-emergence.

[OJRovers]

We need to bring Gally back from Plymouth!

[tony gale's mic]

The re-emergence of Pedersen, Emertons form, youngsters being given a chance... Those are positives...

Unfortunately, that little lot matters very little when the team doesn't perform and doesn't get points and wins. Home form has been utterly dire too...

Re-emergence?! You mean a few encouraging signs to get our hopes up which have subsequently been dashed by absolutely toilet displays?

Emerton to his credit and his credit alone has done a decent job on the right even though its not his best slot, BUT a replacement for Bentley would have meant a better natural right winger there and Emerton being restored to right back.

The youngsters haven't exactly set the world on fire have they? He could throw a few lads from the QEGS under 12s, it wouldnt mean it's a positive would it? If and when these youngsters start putting in quality performances, not just a few nice touches here and there, then it'll be a positive.

[thenodrog]

You'll forgive me if I don't ask you to pick my lottery numbers for me: predicting failure for a man promoted 3 levels in a profession where virtually all appointments end in the sack is hardly in the Mystic Meg league. And I believe your actual prediction was for him gone before the clocks went back.

Personally, I think anyone who needs to boost their sense of self-worth by gloating on an internet message board to a bunch of complete strangers needs some serious therapy, so it's nice to see how cut up you are about the club's predicament....

Correct...... and in truth most would agree that he should have been gone by then. Time will tell but we may yet live to regret that he wasn't. I don't think you'll find many in Bolton who think Little Sam should have been given longer. Ditto Spurs / Ramos, Magpie's / JFK etc etc.

[den]

I didn't say that Den. I said, and I quote, 'Emertons form' NOT his re-emergence.

Oh drat, you quoted me before I could edit it

Anyway, same question - Emerton's form has been great for quite a while hasn't it?

[Presty On Tour]

I honestly thought Ince would have been handed his cards today.

It's transparent crystal clear that he is taking us down whether it be though his lack of experience, transfer policies, team selection, training methods and players being frozen out all lead to an unhappy club.

The board must see this? He has had his chance and it's not working out and appropriate action must be taken.

Yes there will be compensation but I'd would rather pay a few million to get rid of this muppet now than lose a shed load come the end of the season when we are heading down to the championship and having to sell all our assets.

If Ince had any respect for us or himself for that matter, he would do the decent thing and resign. Of cause he's not that stupid because if he did that, there would be no compo to take back to London with his cheesy grin!

People say give him one more game, utterly pointless pardon my punt. What is it going to take to get rid of this buffoon! at the bottom, 10 points adrift?

We need to change it while we still have a chance because if we do go down, that could be it for us. Leeds, Leicester, Wednesday and Forest fans will tell you.

[CrazyIvan]

Re-emergence?! You mean a few encouraging signs to get our hopes up which have subsequently been dashed by absolutely toilet displays?

Emerton to his credit and his credit alone has done a decent job on the right even though its not his best slot, BUT a replacement for Bentley would have meant a better natural right winger there and Emerton being restored to right back.

The youngsters haven't exactly set the world on fire have they? He could throw a few lads from the QEGS under 12s, it wouldnt mean it's a positive would it? If and when these youngsters start putting in quality performances, not just a few nice touches here and there, then it'll be a positive.

Some of you lot would take issue with a dictionary!

Those things ARE positives! Pedersen has even won a MotM award this season and deserved it!

Emerton has done well this season wherever he has been on the pitch.

Youngsters being given a chance is the positive. Them not delivering all of the time is, in some ways, understandable and disappointing in equal measure.

[tony gale's mic]

You'll forgive me if I don't ask you to pick my lottery numbers for me: predicting failure for a man promoted 3 levels in a profession where virtually all appointments end in the sack is hardly in the Mystic Meg league. And I believe your actual prediction was for him gone before the clocks went back.

So why were you and a few others so damning of those of us on the board who were critical of this appointment from day one?

Why, if you admit now that it was an appointment with a very high risk of failure, did you constantly shoot us down just for saying what we saw??

[CrazyIvan]

Oh drat, you quoted me before I could edit it

Anyway, same question - Emerton's form has been great for quite a while hasn't it?

Yes, but he has been much more consistent this season.

[tony gale's mic]

Some of you lot would take issue with a dictionary!

Those things ARE positives! Pedersen has even won a MotM award this season and deserved it!

Emerton has done well this season wherever he has been on the pitch.

Youngsters being given a chance is the positive. Them not delivering all of the time is, in some ways, understandable and disappointing in equal measure.

The "re emergence of Pedersen" for me would be anything remotely approaching his form of a few seasons ago. He's still nowhere near. He won the MotM in what was yet another poor performance by the rest of our team, it was hardly anything near an outstanding performance by him. If you're picking that as the highlight you really are scraping the barrel.

Emerton has been good for a while before Ince came so this isn't an Ince positive, but isn't as good playing at right mid, he needs to be playing right back especially with our current problems. It's Ince's failure to buy a proper right mid that's put him there.

And again, youngsters being given a chance is not a positive. If they started to do well under Ince and his staff's tutelage, then this would be a positive but its just not happening.

There ARE no positives from this reign as far as I'm concerned.

[gumboots]

So why were you and a few others so damning of those of us on the board who were critical of this appointment from day one?

Why, if you admit now that it was an appointment with a very high risk of failure, did you constantly shoot us down just for saying what we saw??

If he'd succeeded, it would have been our clubs success and therefore he deserved the chance once appointed to see if he could succeed. The fact that unfortunately he doesn't appear to be having any measure of success is why we should be looking to replace him, but it didn't mean he didn't deserve our support until such time as he showed himself not up to the job.

[tony gale's mic]

If he'd succeeded, it would have been our clubs success and therefore he deserved the chance once appointed to see if he could succeed. The fact that unfortunately he doesn't appear to be having any measure of success is why we should be looking to replace him, but it didn't mean he didn't deserve our support until such time as he showed himself not up to the job.

He got our support where it mattered. Did you hear a shower of boos in our early home games? We supported him in as much as we really wanted him to do well since he was our manager and he's had the chance to see if he could succeed. But voicing our disapproval on here wasn't exactly the worst thing in the world.

[gumboots]

He got our support where it mattered. Did you hear a shower of boos in our early home games? We supported him in as much as we really wanted him to do well since he was our manager and he's had the chance to see if he could succeed. But voicing our disapproval on here wasn't exactly the worst thing in the world.

Not when it was reasoned and sensibly argued no, of course it wasn't. I don't have a complaint about those who were at the matches where possible getting behind the team and by implicaton supporting the manager where it mattered. I agree that he has not succeeded and I would like to see a change but there were lots of posters who wrote him off very early and who now appear to think that gives them the right to some moral high ground. There is no high ground here. We're in too much of a mess to try to score points off one another - we desperately need our team to start scoring them on the pitch.

[BRFC1995]

Table looks horrendous with wigan winning tonight! I honestly think a defeat at the weekend will make the board act, i really don't think compo will play on their minds one bit when they consider the possible financial consequences of going down.....Sunderland and spuds both at home and wigan home to WBA if they all win what are very, very winnable games and we lose a hard fixture away at pompey we will be stranded 4pts/technically 5pts with GD adrift of safety after this weekend. There is no way the board will accept that when the next game is liverpool with the very likely prospect of the gap widening..............................we are royally screwed if this weekend goes wrong for us.

[tony gale's mic]

I agree that he has not succeeded and I would like to see a change but there were lots of posters who wrote him off very early and who now appear to think that gives them the right to some moral high ground. There is no high ground here. We're in too much of a mess to try to score points off one another - we desperately need our team to start scoring them on the pitch.

Maybe there's one or two who are scoring points but there's also a few in the "pro-Ince camp" claiming that we're happy that Ince is doing so badly - I genuinely don't think anyone who comes here and cares enough about Rovers to post on here is remotely glad that we're in this state. What comes off as point scoring a lot of the time is people just trying to have their say after the flak they recieved before just for voicing an opinion. Yes a lot of us wrote him off but there was a reason for that.

I wrote him off early and was critical of the appointment but even I never thought things would get this bad, this soon. From the Robbie Fowler signing all the way through to our latest inept performance the whole tenure has been an unmitigated disaster and I never expected the spectre of relegation would be so intense this season. I figured Ince would take us down to lower mid table from where we'd eventually lose our players and spiral into oblivion after two or three seasons, not this season.

[patrickvalery]

What worries me about Ince leaving is the available managers. I'd be suprised if we went for anyone who's actually good enough to be employed elsewhere! That doesn't leave much. Even more of a worry is Alan Pardew would probably be in the frame. God help us if he is.