[Archived] Paul Ince

[LeChuck]

Emerton has done well this season wherever he has been on the pitch.

Emerton was exactly the same last season. He was an excellent attacking full-back (Bentley looked half the player when Bert wasn't overlapping him) and he looked even better when played in a central midfield role. His form hasn't improved this year, he just stands out more because the rest of the team is so dire.

I think it shows just how much trouble we're in when Pedersen is being proclaimed as one of the plus points! He was pants on Sunday and has been all season.

[Amo]

You're clutching at straws with both Emerton and Pedersen.

[dopper69]

Pedersen annoys me greatly. I want to love him (for his Burnley goal alone) I really do. but he isn't making it easy!

[Athlete]

Table looks horrendous with wigan winning tonight! I honestly think a defeat at the weekend will make the board act, i really don't think compo will play on their minds one bit when they consider the possible financial consequences of going down.....Sunderland and spuds both at home and wigan home to WBA if they all win what are very, very winnable games and we lose a hard fixture away at pompey we will be stranded 4pts/technically 5pts with GD adrift of safety after this weekend. There is no way the board will accept that when the next game is liverpool with the very likely prospect of the gap widening..............................we are royally screwed if this weekend goes wrong for us.

Wigan won - so come wekend we could be stranded in the bottom 3 before we even play - please JW get rid of this muppet now !

[RoversFanUSA]

My level of consern for Ince's job has never been there, so as i far as im concerened im DONE! The board needs to tell him to kick rocks and see if curbs or BFS can help us get the hell out of this hole he(Ince) has gotten us into. Even if we win the Pompey game they still need to can his ass! One possoable win in 8 NOT OK!

[Amo]

If it had to be Curbishley or Big Sam, it would have to be the latter. Like Hughes, he knows how to grind out results and get the best out of his players. It might not be pretty, but it sure was effective. I also disagree that all Big Sam did was produce boring long-ball football. Bolton still had good footballers in their team.

[CaliRoverNYC]

sven should be unemployed soon....

[thenodrog]

Not when it was reasoned and sensibly argued no, of course it wasn't. I don't have a complaint about those who were at the matches where possible getting behind the team and by implicaton supporting the manager where it mattered. I agree that he has not succeeded and I would like to see a change but there were lots of posters who wrote him off very early and who now appear to think that gives them the right to some moral high ground. There is no high ground here. We're in too much of a mess to try to score points off one another - we desperately need our team to start scoring them on the pitch.

Gumboots...Am I correct in saying that according to an earlier post from youself you didn't even bother to watch em on the tele v Spurs?

[thenodrog]

Table looks horrendous with wigan winning tonight! I honestly think a defeat at the weekend will make the board act, i really don't think compo will play on their minds one bit when they consider the possible financial consequences of going down.....

Despite hearing the contrary from a good source I simply refuse to believe that JW/BRFC will have offered a megabucks contract to a 4th Div manager and his 4th div management team with no provision for a minimal severence pay-out should he screw up in his first season. If this is indeed the case then his head should roll into a basket. I'd wager that most 4th div managers would gladly sign their wife and kids over to Fred and Rose West no strings attached and walk over broken glass all the way to Ewood for such a career chance..... even with a sh1t or bust rider!

However viewing the evidence over the past few months (showing Bentley and Brad the exit door(..... unpopular with the majority of fans) and then signing Fowler and Andrews (the former being greatly unpopular with all fans, the latter with most), then signing more unpopular choices in Matthias and Knox (again unpopular choices) does anybody think that Ince etc might even be engineering the situation? 3 years pay for 6 months work? Superb and lucky for some eh?

[FourLaneBlue]

Despite hearing the contrary from a good source I simply refuse to believe that JW/BRFC will have offered a megabucks contract to a 4th Div manager and his 4th div management team with no provision for a minimal severence pay-out should he screw up in his first season. If this is indeed the case then his head should roll into a basket. I'd wager that most 4th div managers would gladly sign their wife and kids over to Fred and Rose West no strings attached and walk over broken glass all the way to Ewood for such a career chance..... even with a sh1t or bust rider!

Could not agree more. If the board have messed up and given a ridiculous contract with no chance of reducing our losses to what was the MK Dons boss then that is sheer incompetence.

As we went for the cheap option surely we did not then proceed to give him the contract of an actual top, experienced manager?

[neekoy]

Good breakdown on the English Manager syndrome

Whilst I think Ince should go, I still think that if given a number of years plying the trade in the lower divisions he will turn out to be a good manager.

I hadn't really thought about it this much before but English clubs do rush to sign the next potential superstar Manager quite regulary before their time.

When you look at the most successful Managers they have generally did the hard yards for years before being given what is a dream slot as a Premier League Manager.

[jim mk2]

Good piece by Matt Dickinson ; hope Williams gives it a good read over his morning coffee.

[Exiled in Toronto]

So why were you and a few others so damning of those of us on the board who were critical of this appointment from day one?

Why, if you admit now that it was an appointment with a very high risk of failure, did you constantly shoot us down just for saying what we saw??

High risk does not equal automatic failure. I was damning not for the fact that you were being critical, but for your being critical of every single thing, no matter how contrived, and before you saw it; something I thought you would have moved on from by now as the only things that matter - results - are the real evidence.

Since you have felt so passionately about the subject, why not divert your energies into petitioning Williams or picketing Brockhall rather than endlessly repeating yourself on here?

[philipl]

Good breakdown on the English Manager syndrome

Whilst I think Ince should go, I still think that if given a number of years plying the trade in the lower divisions he will turn out to be a good manager.

I hadn't really thought about it this much before but English clubs do rush to sign the next potential superstar Manager quite regulary before their time.

When you look at the most successful Managers they have generally did the hard yards for years before being given what is a dream slot as a Premier League Manager.

Good article and good points.

I think a player who has operated at the very highest level like Ince has should be able to reduce the apprenticeship time. Unfortunately, Ince's lack of formal education combined with him seeming to have completely lost touch with what was going on with football at the highest levels whilst he has been at lower levels (remember he has been away from the top for 6 years) have completely let him down.

With regards to compensation, I very much doubt Rovers will be writing a cheque for 2.5 years times £1.5m when they say good-bye. Those sorts of pay-offs only happen when the employer has totally messed up their handling of the employee and his/her departure.

[PAFELL]

Good breakdown on the English Manager syndrome

Whilst I think Ince should go, I still think that if given a number of years plying the trade in the lower divisions he will turn out to be a good manager.

I hadn't really thought about it this much before but English clubs do rush to sign the next potential superstar Manager quite regulary before their time.

When you look at the most successful Managers they have generally did the hard yards for years before being given what is a dream slot as a Premier League Manager.

Vert good article. Interesting to read that Ince has been playing golf rather than doing his coaching badges. If that is the case then it is a breach of contract, because I believe Rovers wrote into Ince's contract that he had to do his badges. As to wether that is sufficient to sack him in itself, I do not know. If it is then it should save Rovers money in the compensation bill

[Athlete]

Vert good article. Interesting to read that Ince has been playing golf rather than doing his coaching badges. If that is the case then it is a breach of contract, because I believe Rovers wrote into Ince's contract that he had to do his badges. As to wether that is sufficient to sack him in itself, I do not know. If it is then it should save Rovers money in the compensation bill

doesnt sound like hes too interested in doing his badges - if Ididnt study for the correct qualifications for my job I would have been out on my ear - so should Ince

[broadsword]

As we went for the cheap option surely we did not then proceed to give him the contract of an actual top, experienced manager?

Don't ask questions like that, you'll make me feel queasy.

Even worse is that according to tittle-tattle on here, the board want to stick by him because they see him as a long-term bet.

I don't think we're seeing any green shoots of a nascent managerial great here. I think we're seeing someone promoted on reputation to a position well beyond his ability.

Has he gone yet?

[gumboots]

Gumboots...Am I correct in saying that according to an earlier post from youself you didn't even bother to watch em on the tele v Spurs?

No I didn't watch but not because i couldn't be bothered. I had a sermon to rewrite for sunday evening's service and it took me all afternoon. I didn't deliberately leave it till sunday. I'd done it and then realised that I wasn't happy with certain parts of it and with a deadline of 5 pm I deemed it slightly more pressing than watching Rovers!

[bubblerrovers]

We can't win with the press as they all want to see rovers fail, when we sack Ince just watch all the bad press we'll get saying we didn't give him a chance bla bla, i can see Ian Wright slating the club in his column. Not our fault we ended up with John Barnes 2

[jim mk2]

No I didn't watch but not because i couldn't be bothered. I had a sermon to rewrite for sunday evening's service and it took me all afternoon. I didn't deliberately leave it till sunday. I'd done it and then realised that I wasn't happy with certain parts of it and with a deadline of 5 pm I deemed it slightly more pressing than watching Rovers!

Amen to that.

Could you pray for divine help in the relegation battle ?

[broadsword]

We can't win with the press as they all want to see rovers fail, when we sack Ince just watch all the bad press we'll get saying we didn't give him a chance bla bla, i can see Ian Wright slating the club in his column. Not our fault we ended up with John Barnes 2

Darren Lewis will give us a slating in the Mirror as well.

Never mind, I'd rather get rid of a dud of a manager, and take the brickbats.

[RevidgeBlue]

Good breakdown on the English Manager syndrome

I really don't understand where the author is coming from with that ridiculous article, slagging Ince off in one breath, but is he saying in the next that like Benitez, Ince will come good eventually and we should stick by him?

Plus there is no correlation at all between Ince and Barnes. Barnes had no managerial experience at all before going to Celtic. Ince had done well in two different managerial positions.

And as there has been no suggestion whatsoever that Ince's coaching badges are not going entirely to plan, I sincerely hope his Solicitors have clocked the "bunking off coaching courses" comment.

[Blackburn Ender]

I appalaud JW for seeing Ince as a long term prospect. He will need to learn the ropes over 2 to 3 seasons.

Look at Roy Keane. Three seasons into management? Tons of money spent and still struggling.

Our problem is that, while giving Ince time, we may also get relegated.

But, JW must have seen something in the guy to make what was then, and still is, a brave appointment over the more experienced candidates.

I was not one of Ince's backers. But, I did not want any of the managers who appeared to be in the running.

So I could see why the Rovers board appointed Ince. Better a bold gamble than boring middle of the road football (although I accept this bit's only for those who don't think it would be the end of the world getting relegated).

I think Rovers will give Ince 'til February. See what he does in the transfer window, plus who leaves.

[QOTSA]

A couple of, dare I say, insightful posts on Rovers' plight. Feel free to agree/disagree

Rovers in crisis!

Negative Ince

[gumboots]

Amen to that.

Could you pray for divine help in the relegation battle ?

Not sure it works like that, unfortunately or I'd be on my knees night and day, believe me.