[Archived] Paul Ince

[thenodrog]

And tonight we get a piece from Rovers reporter Andy Cryer comparing his first 14 games with the same period under Mark Hughes in which he conveniently forgets the different circumstances in which they both took their respective jobs.

It's becoming a mouthpiece for Rovers propaganda rather than a sports section.

Just read it. Complete rubbish given the respective squads as you say. Thank goodness for a the honesty of Kevin Gallagher eh?

[FourLaneBlue]

The long and short of it is that I will not join the chorus of vitriol against the manager, I will support whoever is in charge. That extends to creating positive vibes on this MB, because so much of what is posted is in the other direction... who knows whether Mr Holt used that to help build his case, but it's well known that journalists use supporters sites as a guage of public opinion.

So for me, for now, it's back the manager for Sunday's game. Heaven knows we need 3 points, and on Monday we can take stock again. I hope that answers your point 47er!!

Interesting post Tris and I do agree with you in part and understand where you are coming from. I never ever want the team to lose and I also try to always look on the bright side. I think if you look at my posts over the years they have tended overwhelmingly to looking from the positive view.

I do think however that I should be able to say what I feel and this internet messageboard is a good outlet. Booing during a game can contribute negatively directly towards the team performance. Here we need to be able to say what we think.

If I could find any way to think Ince could be the right man for us I would say so but right now it is impossible...

So having said my piece I will now say Come on Rovers and Come on Ince for the game at Pompey as we desperately need the 3 points.

[thenodrog]

Let me just had my voice to the others complaining about that piece of gutter journalism in the "Mirror". I've been an Anti-Racist all my adult life and I've got the arrests to prove it.

Wow! Arrests for being anti-racist Tyrone!!! How so?

............ and here's me thinking that you had to do something illegal to be arrested. This country is going to hell in a hand cart allright.

I do think however that I should be able to say what I feel and this internet messageboard is a good outlet. Booing during a game can contribute negatively directly towards the team performance. Here we need to be able to say what we think.

If I could find any way to think Ince could be the right man for us I would say so but right now it is impossible...

So having said my piece I will now say Come on Rovers and Come on Ince for the game at Pompey as we desperately need the 3 points.

Correct FLB and personally speaking I've never booed the team in my life.

[RevidgeBlue]

And tonight we get a piece from Rovers reporter Andy Cryer comparing his first 14 games with the same period under Mark Hughes in which he conveniently forgets the different circumstances in which they both took their respective jobs.

It's becoming a mouthpiece for Rovers propaganda rather than a sports section.

T'was ever thus wasn't it LD?

If it wasn't I might still be in a job!

[Jan]

also on Tony Adams. He realised how much he didn't know and was willing to take an assistant's job with Harry to learn from him. He aldready had his badges and wanted the practical view from someone acknowledged to be one of the best managers around.

John Barnes wore awful clothes and was a panellist on one of the minor TV channels.

[LDRover]

T'was ever thus wasn't it LD?

If it wasn't I might still be in a job!

Up to a point Rev, yes but we still got some licence.

I'm yet to read anything in it this season that transmits the feelings of the majority of fans, it's all glossed over to the point of being just a 'blip'. It's getting ridiculous.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Wow! Arrests for being anti-racist Tyrone!!! How so?

............ and here's me thinking that you had to do something illegal to be arrested. This country is going to hell in a hand cart allright.

Differences of outlook with the police on demos. They're not to chosey wether what you're doing is illegal or not..

Correct FLB and personally speaking I've never booed the team in my life.

[JAL]

Up to a point Rev, yes but we still got some licence.

I'm yet to read anything in it this season that transmits the feelings of the majority of fans, it's all glossed over to the point of being just a 'blip'. It's getting ridiculous.

Looks like the club with the possible influence of Andy Neild are controlling whats being printed in the Lancashire Telegraph to a certain extent in protecting Paul Ince and his new regime against the mounting criticism. Taking the back seat view I think its a good common sense strategy for now in what they are doing - would you not agree.

Being one of the unhappy fans and having time to reflect, for now I think Paul Ince should be allowed to deal his next full hand in the January transfer market and just hopefully we can begin to see light at the end of the tunnel though its going to be a close close call.

Keep the faith!

[broadsword]

Up to a point Rev, yes but we still got some licence.

I'm yet to read anything in it this season that transmits the feelings of the majority of fans, it's all glossed over to the point of being just a 'blip'. It's getting ridiculous.

If the LET are being told to gloss over all the problems, then that indicates to me that the club will be sticking with Ince through thin and thin.

Very very depressing.

[Paul]

If the LET are being told to gloss over all the problems, then that indicates to me that the club will be sticking with Ince through thin and thin.

Very very depressing.

I don't think there's any doubt about this Bryan

[broadsword]

They must be complete numb-skulls.

either that or as stubborn as hell.

[Roaming Rover]

I do have a problem with colour. But only one colour and that is Claret and Blue, nothing else! Rubbish article.

It does look like we are stuck with Ince for the time being. The problem I have is that we started off OK, Everton and a decent performance if not result against West Ham etc, but have gone backwards in all areas in the last couple of months. I supported Ince and thought he could do a good job and have always said next season was the season to really judge him, when he made the squad his own. But then again I never thought we would be quite where we are at the moment.

Hughes went back to basics in his first season and ensured we stayed up, then added his own spin to the team the season after. This IMO is what Ince needs to do, but seems very reluctant to return to basics.

[broadsword]

Claret and Blue is two colours.

[RevidgeBlue]

If the LET are being told to gloss over all the problems, then that indicates to me that the club will be sticking with Ince through thin and thin.

Very very depressing.

To be fair, the usual complaint about the LT recently (when they were linking all our players with moves elsewhere) has been that they're anti-Rovers.

Now they're being unrelentingly positive for a change, people still aren't happy.

[Roaming Rover]

Good spot!!!

[thenodrog]

If the LET are being told to gloss over all the problems, then that indicates to me that the club will be sticking with Ince through thin and thin.

No they won't. If JW has not been making discreet enquiries for weeks now then we need a new Chairman. JW knows he's cocked up, the trustees will know the same, so the only issue is how to get rid on the cheap ...

1. do we battle on till Jan and throw the club cheque book his way? Not a chance. They foolishly wouldn't give it the genuine golden goose Mark Hughes so I'd hardly think Brown is daft enough to give Ince access to the family silver.

2. Keep him til the end of the season when we will be relegated but still relatively wealthy. (going down uses a lot of parachute payment in getting rid of big earners.).

3. Get rid when it is expedient to do so. By expedient I mean when someone else is lined up and when we can get rid of the new manager on the cheap. Fighting Jordan in the tunnel / perhaps not making progress with coaching badges / falling out with players plus a few other misdemeanours can all add up to a low cost dismissal. Softly softly catchee monkey.

[CrazyIvan]

No they won't. If JW has not been making discreet enquiries for weeks now then we need a new Chairman. JW knows he's cocked up, the trustees will know the same, so the only issue is how to get rid on the cheap ...

1. do we battle on till Jan and throw the club cheque book his way? Not a chance. They foolishly wouldn't give it the genuine golden goose Mark Hughes so I'd hardly think Brown is daft enough to give Ince access to the family silver.

2. Keep him til the end of the season when we will be relegated but still relatively wealthy. (going down uses a lot of parachute payment in getting rid of big earners.).

3. Get rid when it is expedient to do so. By expedient I mean when someone else is lined up and when we can get rid of the new manager on the cheap. Fighting Jordan in the tunnel / perhaps not making progress with coaching badges / falling out with players plus a few other misdemeanours can all add up to a low cost dismissal. Softly softly catchee monkey.

Falling out with which players Gordon?

[FourLaneBlue]

To be fair, the usual complaint about the LT recently (when they were linking all our players with moves elsewhere) has been that they're anti-Rovers.

Now they're being unrelentingly positive for a change, people still aren't happy.

Well obviously not. People presumably want something in the middle. Supportive and not bigging up possible transfer deals for our best players but not club propaganda either.

[47er]

They must be complete numb-skulls.

either that or as stubborn as hell.

or unwilling to shell out............

[den]

Right - a "bit" of backing for Ince here.

If you look back in history, at the teams that have been relegated, there will be one common factor. Basically the players were not good enough. Now I know it's been said we went down in 66 with a good squad, but there was extenuating circumstances there, - the Polio outbreak. Bottom of the league by a small distance before we kicked off. Also, Douglas missed a lot of that season through injury while Clayton was coming to the end of a great career.

Anyway, back to the point. If nothing were to change between now and the end of the season and we went down, I think it's fair to say that this squad wasn't good enough. Simple as that. No-one could argue with that, could they?

The one argument against that would be that Hughes had this squad, minus Friedel and Bentley, finishing 7th in the league. Well I suggest that if we're honest, we miss Bentley far more than most people admit.

The other reason I said this is only a "bit" of support for Ince, is that most people would say that Hughes was a far better tactician that Ince. Don't think that's out of line either, is it?

So, whoever takes us through to the end of this season is going to have one hell of a job keeping us in this league. January is going to be crucial IMO. We need to strengthen the squad considerably and we need the best person possible to manage that squad. Let's not be suckered into thinking that this is all down simply to the current manager, because it isn't.

The bottom line is, the current squad is one of the poorest in the league.

[Mc Love]

I would have to agree with most of what you have said there Den

[The Prof.]

Right - a "bit" of backing for Ince here.

If you look back in history, at the teams that have been relegated, there will be one common factor. Basically the players were not good enough. Now I know it's been said we went down in 66 with a good squad, but there was extenuating circumstances there, - the Polio outbreak. Bottom of the league by a small distance before we kicked off. Also, Douglas missed a lot of that season through injury while Clayton was coming to the end of a great career.

Anyway, back to the point. If nothing were to change between now and the end of the season and we went down, I think it's fair to say that this squad wasn't good enough. Simple as that. No-one could argue with that, could they?

The one argument against that would be that Hughes had this squad, minus Friedel and Bentley, finishing 7th in the league. Well I suggest that if we're honest, we miss Bentley far more than most people admit.

The other reason I said this is only a "bit" of support for Ince, is that most people would say that Hughes was a far better tactician that Ince. Don't think that's out of line either, is it?

So, whoever takes us through to the end of this season is going to have one hell of a job keeping us in this league. January is going to be crucial IMO. The bottom line is though, the current squad is one of the poorest in the league.

We're only 2 players off last seasons squad though when we were one of the strongest aren't we?

[den]

We're only 2 players off last seasons squad though when we were one of the strongest aren't we?

What I'm saying Prof, is that if nothing changes and we are relegated, people will look back in a few years time and say "that squad was not good enough". No matter who the manager is/was, that will be the outstanding feature of this season.

[bob fleming]

What I'm saying Prof, is that if nothing changes and we are relegated, people will look back in a few years time and say "that squad was not good enough". No matter who the manager is/was, that will be the outstanding feature of this season.

Totally disagree Den. The squad is more or less the same - apart from we lost Bentley and didn't replace him. Brad went and Robbo came in - which is nigh on the same really (Brad's age, and the fact that he would need replacing soon anyway).

The outstanding feature surely has to be that it's the same players, with a few injuries of course, and the squads numbers have been increased with players who haven't had any impact.

I think it'll be more a case of "people will look back in a few years time and say "that manager was not good enough"" - but I'd like to be proved wrong.

[tony gale's mic]

What I'm saying Prof, is that if nothing changes and we are relegated, people will look back in a few years time and say "that squad was not good enough". No matter who the manager is/was, that will be the outstanding feature of this season.

I don't know den, even look through our starting 11 vs Spurs and it isn't relegation standard. Robinson, Samba, Santa Cruz, McCarthy, Nelsen, Ooijer...none of those players are bottom three standard. And then think of the players that weren't playing - Warnock, Dunn, Emerton, Vogel...sure our central midfield situation right now is woeful and we're not one of the best in the league but we have more than enough quality in our squad to stay up at the very least.