[Archived] Paul Ince

[CrazyIvan]

It's comical. You can predict what will be posted on here as soon as an article hits the papers where Ince says anything. Those who want Ince out, and have done for a long time now, will criticise everything he says no matter whether it's positive or negative. Ince cannot win on here with those people.

[ABBEY]

INCE CANT GET ROVERS TO WIN EITHER

[den]

It's comical. You can predict what will be posted on here as soon as an article hits the papers where Ince says anything. Those who want Ince out, and have done for a long time now, will criticise everything he says no matter whether it's positive or negative. Ince cannot win on here with those people.

You would be better addressing the points people make, rather than addressing the people.

[John]

It's comical. You can predict what will be posted on here as soon as an article hits the papers where Ince says anything. Those who want Ince out, and have done for a long time now, will criticise everything he says no matter whether it's positive or negative. Ince cannot win on here with those people.

Why do neutral fans think he speaks nonsense as well then? Also, from the start of the season, people have been constantly telling me he just does not look a Premiership manager. Initially, I was defending him to the hilt, but its proving nearly impossible now (and making my earlier defence of him look ridiculous).

[1864roverite]

You bet me to it Abster.

As for the word mediocre ? try diabolical instead

[tony gale's mic]

It's comical. You can predict what will be posted on here as soon as an article hits the papers where Ince says anything. Those who want Ince out, and have done for a long time now, will criticise everything he says no matter whether it's positive or negative. Ince cannot win on here with those people.

No, Paul Ince really does manage to make a prat of himself every time he opens his mouth.

Just some acknowledgement that things are going badly right now and that he's going to make some changes. That's all we need. That's what the majority of managers in his position would do and have done. We've got every right to get irritated when we're seeing our club go down the pan and he's coming out in interviews acting like everything's okay. He doesn't need to go into a big rant, just a couple of sentences could have done, along with a positive statement about how he's going to try and shake things up or words to that effect.

It's not rocket science.

[FourLaneBlue]

We have had some strategically timed articles in The Mirror whenever it has seemed that our board needs influencing. When Williams and the board seemed to be wavering regarding appointing Ince we had a Darren Lewis article shouting from the rooftops about how dare we even have a second thought about appointing Ince.

Now that Ince is under huge pressure we have an article by the workmate of Lewis which lets the board know in no uncertain terms that if they sack their manager then we will received some unfair accusations of racism.

It seems Ince is battling for his job in the media and using his contacts to help. Don't blame him. However there seem to be a ridiculously large amount of excuses always ready to hand for the position we find ourselves in...

[CrazyIvan]

You would be better addressing the points people make, rather than addressing the people.

Not really because it really isn't worth it. I'm very bored of arguing with people with such entrenched views and it end up being pointless so not worth it. I just find it comical how people criticise him if he says anything at all. As I said, Ince can't win.

[47er]

Bolton away?

Exactly right Bryan.

Howard Kendall got off to an inauspicious start as Rovers manager but became one of our best ever on the strength of keeping things tighter than the Trustees' pursestrings at the back.

I always think if you can keep a clean sheet you can't go too far wrong, as more often than not you'll score at the other end.

and its not as if we couldn't put a good defence out. If we had Emerton-------Oojier----------Samba-----------------Warnock as our back 4(like last season) we would do OK. Have they ever played together this season? We'd have to utilise Tugay,Vogel,Andrews in the middle till Dunn and Grella came back but it could hardly be worse than now.

[BuckyRover]

Why do neutral fans think he speaks nonsense as well then? Also, from the start of the season, people have been constantly telling me he just does not look a Premiership manager. Initially, I was defending him to the hilt, but its proving nearly impossible now (and making my earlier defence of him look ridiculous).

I have said it a few times, but nobody has ever countered it, why were we 4th from bottom on the 23rd of December 2006? After Hughes had been with us for over 2 years.

What was his excuse? (Ince had to bring in an entire backroom team and quickly get to grips with premiership management etc.etc.)

Ince needs time, he will get time and we will see where we are mid January.

Relax guys

[philipl]

You have got to admit though Bucky, everything is pointing to him not being at Ewood much longer.

Hughes had a track record of keeping us up. And there is a minor difference between what happens to the club in 17th at season end and what happens to the club in 19th....

[tony gale's mic]

I have said it a few times, but nobody has ever countered it, why were we 4th from bottom on the 23rd of December 2006? After Hughes had been with us for over 2 years.

What was his excuse? (Ince had to bring in an entire backroom team and quickly get to grips with premiership management etc.etc.)

Ince needs time, he will get time and we will see where we are mid January.

Relax guys

Because Hughes had done a good job for us before, proven himself with us. He'd already made some quality signings before then meaning we had confidence in his abilities to turn it round and critically there was always a bit of breathing space between us and the relegation zone. If we lose against Portsmouth we've got Liverpool next and will probably lose against them, after which we'll most likely be more than 3 points from safety, especially with our goal difference.

We flirted with trouble under Hughes very briefly, we ARE in real trouble with Ince and its been getting worse and worse for weeks. Hughes didn't need time, he and Rovers were just going through our bad patch, we could be confident in this with what happened before and this confidence was proved after. Ince might take all season and very probably longer, theres a decent chance he'll never be good enough, if we leave it too late then any new manager won't be able to make any transfers and nothing, repeat NOTHING Ince has done during this reign can inspire mass confidence. There's been a couple of minor nice points but a whole host of negative ones.

We are in the relegation zone with some very hard matches coming up, staring at the very real possibility of being more than 3 points adrift from safety at Christmas. If you think it's time to relax you need your head examined...

[yoda]

Not really because it really isn't worth it. I'm very bored of arguing with people with such entrenched views and it end up being pointless so not worth it. I just find it comical how people criticise him if he says anything at all. As I said, Ince can't win.

Your right Ince can't win, neither can his team!

that is the whole point

[JAL]

I've had an idea, would people be willing to give Ince some more time if say he was to clear out some of his dead-wood? When he first came along and assembled his "dream" team, I have to say it was them that frightened me the most and I was perhaps a little over-zealous in my berating of them. If Ince was to get rid and bring in some more experienced coaches in the "modern" world of the premiership, would it change some people out-look? I do worry that when Ince needs advice and asks his coaches he's probably getting info that would have worked 10+ years ago. I honestly feel this is where Ince shot himself in the foot.

It would bring in the fresh ideas we desperately need and is far cheaper than sacking Ince. I wonder if JW would tell him to do it.

Would any of you consider a grace period or has Ince done enough damage?

PS I've seen Rays picture on the official site, why doesn't he have a Parrot on his shoulder?

Agree with you here Majiball, maybe Ince should fire one of his lieutenants and bring in a fresh face with renewed vigour.

[roverich]

I don't think he's done enough to get any backing from me but I believe if we sack him we'll spiral through managers at a rate similar to that of about ten years ago and it will have no positive effect on the team so I think we have to stick with him. I also don't think he can be blamed for the teams bad form, our team looks poor on paper. Pedersen hasn't played well for at least two years, Bentley was never replaced (not even unsatisfactorily), we still only have one striker worthy of first team football, Andrews in midfield makes us look like Burnley, and on and on.

I'm sure I'll be chastised by some for my negativity but although I'm usually looking for the silver lining this is how I see it at the moment. I think we're in the relegation zone because we're one of the worst three teams in the league. I just looked at the official and it absolutely smacks of desperation with the number of stories with titles along the lines of "we're playing good football", "we still believe", "we're unlucky" - noone seems to notice that we actually look pretty crap on the pitch. We have no creativity in the midfield or on the wings and whilst Emerton's pace looks dangerous down the right his final ball rarely does and even when we do create chances we very rarely take them.

I like Yoda's comment: "Ince can't win, neither can his team". Right now, I don't think we've got a cat in hells chance of getting anything from the game at Portsmouth but come kick off if anyone tells me Rovers don't stand a chance I'll argue until I'm blue in the face that we're a great team - I do still have some faith but it's in small and infrequent doses. I can only imagine taking each game as it comes right now because if I look beyond that at who's coming up in a fortnight or a month I can't see us winning another game all season. I think the club needs to start preparing for the worst because a recession coupled with the prospect of Championship football could see Ewood Park becoming a very quiet place. I was hoping we might get a lucky draw in the cup and gain some confidence through progressing further in that but that's not going to happen anymore.

[FourLaneBlue]

As I said, Ince can't win.

You´re right. He can´t win. Eight league games now.

That is the cruz of the issue right now. Not "entrenched views" but this relegation battle we have found ourselves in.

Whoops - just seen that Yoda made exactly the same point!

[PAFELL]

Your right Ince can't win, neither can his team!

that is the whole point

The whole debate about Ince in or out is pointless - the board are sticking with Ince and that is that.

As much as I think that Ince may not be ready for the prem, I have also to consider that the facts are Rovers have had and still have a lengthy injury list - that is not excuse, but fact. Ince has not been able to play a regular team, which is what he has said he wants to do. I am also aware that players are being played out of position, maybe that is because Ince has no choice because of the injurys. I believe Ince has been quoted that he wants to see what he has got first on the player front - maybe playing players out of position is Ince checking to see if a player can play there, before going out to buy somebody - Rovers do not have the money to risk, therefore by seeing if a player can play in a position which he normally does not play in - and you need more than one game to see this - Ince saves money and then can concentrate on other positions. Maybe he has told the board this is what he is doing.

Yes I would like to see somebody else as Rovers manager as I believe it is too early for Ince. But at the sametime I would be happy for him to turn things around. If Rovers went on a decent unbeaten run with Ince as manager - todays situation will be like a blip and we'd be happy to keep him.

[imy9]

Your right Ince can't win, neither can his team!

that is the whole point

Sunderland away.

[yoda]

Sunderland away.

If you think one away win will save us

dream on

[Exiled in Toronto]

The whole debate about Ince in or out is pointless - the board are sticking with Ince and that is that.

It's been pointless for a long time now. It never was a debate in the accepted sense of the word - people are too angry. I don't think anyone on here has had their views changed by the last 63 pages of this thread, whether anti-Ince from the start, pro giving the bloke a chance or the vast majority of board members who waited 10 or so games to give a view.

Consequently, the continued slagging of all things Ince is now completely pointless as a) the vast majority on here are basing their views solely on points gained and as you correctly infer, the real debate should be whether or not Williams will back or sack Ince. He's doing neither at the moment and hence giving a good impression of being completely out of touch.

If Ince stays, he has to be backed with substantial funds in Jan - the money will be no use to us if we go down as no-one any good will want to sign for us, and our inevitable fire sale would fund the purchase of a few championship cloggers anyway.

[den]

The whole debate about Ince in or out is pointless - the board are sticking with Ince and that is that.

You obviously have never experienced the power of the angry football fan Pafell. They will have the last say, they always do.

[Majiball]

You obviously have never experienced the power of the angry football fan Pafell. They will have the last say, they always do.

But will it?

JW caved in to the fans over BFS, we are on our worst run in over ten years, gates are down was it 3,000 on last year? Boo's can be heard at the ground now, how much displeasure must we show?

I've been trolling around some other sites and quite a few have had poll's up on Ince stay or go, 50% want him gone. Recently performances have dropped we've gone from playing some decent stuff which some had hoped would come off to now playing crap. The last two games have really hit it home for me, Portsmouth given there show against AC could do us some damage. But the one thing I hate is when I get told we've played great when I know we have not, I am not stupid, I've been involved in football since I was 6. The stance that we played well at spurs was ridiculous it should have been more along the lines of we are not performing, We didn't play to our capabilities today, we're better than that and we will improve.

I also wonder weather the club think things are down to Ince or other factors IE credit crunch explains gates down, Bad run down to injuries, Boo's for Robbie. IF JW feels these factors are the route causes Ince will get more time, could the boo's also not be explained away with racism? This is what worries me, does JW see it that way, because a man with a wicked tongue could spin it like that very convincingly.

I also worry that if we pick up points against Pompey, it may paper over the cracks to a degree and buy him more time. At the end of the day I'd still rather see Ince miraculously come good if only to save our transfer fund!

[bob fleming]

Majiball - when Rovers crowd turn, they turn. Believe me. It's been years of course but the scenes at the end of Bob Saxton's reign weren't good. Can anyone remember bonfires on the Blackburn End, protesting on Nuttall St after the match (I can vaguely)? Hostile stuff. Managers since then have had it easy - for obvious reasons in most cases.

[T4E]

Majiball - when Rovers crowd turn, they turn. Believe me. It's been years of course but the scenes at the end of Bob Saxton's reign weren't good. Can anyone remember bonfires on the Blackburn End, protesting on Nuttall St after the match (I can vaguely)? Hostile stuff. Managers since then have had it easy - for obvious reasons in most cases.

Yep - the board have had the balls to get rid before the fans have needed to make too much noise. Does our current board have the bottle?

[Mr Creosote]

Majiball - when Rovers crowd turn, they turn. Believe me. It's been years of course but the scenes at the end of Bob Saxton's reign weren't good. Can anyone remember bonfires on the Blackburn End, protesting on Nuttall St after the match (I can vaguely)? Hostile stuff. Managers since then have had it easy - for obvious reasons in most cases.

Off topic I know but I remember it well. There was a picture of Saxton in the Telegraph getting into his car after he'd been sacked looking like a broken man. He said it had been an honour and a priviledge to manage Rovers. As a vociferous protester I felt terrible even as a young lad. Looking back he was a decent bloke who did a good job in trying circumstances. He had us play good football too!