[Archived] Paul Ince

[1864roverite]

Tomorrows game will be the defining part of Paul Inces Rovers career. it is such a crucial game now having seen todays results go the way they have.

If one result shows just how dangerous a position we are in it is todays result of Sunderland and Bolton.

At Bolton, Rovers struggled and missed the chance of the game to take 3 points.

At Ewood, Rovers somehow contrived to fritter away 3 points against one of the poorest teams to ever grace the Ewood pitch in Sunderland.

Tomorrow, a Rovers win will take us out of the bottom 3 and give the club a little impetus for the cup game at old triffid midweek before the game against Liverpoo. It is clear for all to see, Ince has to put out a team that will fight tooth and nail, a team that will have to cope with an aerial bombardment in Crouch and a team that HAS to give its own strikers something to feed on. A draw is not going to be good enough 3 points is the be all and end all after todays results.

Phillip quite rightly points out we need at least 9 wins to survive this season. We have 12 games at home that consist of the following.

Liverpoo

Stoke

Man City

Newcastle

Bolton

Villa

Everton

Wham

Spuds

Wigan

Portsmouth and WBA.

With the exception of Man City (and I say exception because of the Brazilian/Ireland factor) and Liverpoo, we would expect to beat each and everyone of those teams, and should we do so we will survive. HOWEVER, such is the diatribe dished up at home I am now seriously concerned about our Premiership position.

A quick glimpse at the away fixtures sees manure, Liverpoo, Arsenal, Chelsea plus a plethora of midrate teams who again we should at least on paper, beat.

The season now starts at Fratton Park. If Ince can push his team to a victory we have a platform. Should we lose, for me, its game over for the season because the fight will be taken out of our team. January will be on us as soon as Xmas is over and you can bet the likes of Warnock and RSC will be off like a shot, leaving the club cash rich but worse off on the playing side.

The way to beat Pompy ?

Robinson

Simpson Samba Nelsen Warnock

Emerton Tugay Mokoena MGP

RSC McCarthy

subs: Andrews, Roberts, Brown, Treacy, Carlos, Derbyshire and Zurab

There is scope in that squad to get the result and to change it around. If Tugay struggles then there is no reason why McCarthy cannot drop back and bringing Roberts into the front 2, the same with Derbyshire. Carlos is a player that can play just behind the front 2 if we revert to a 4-3-3 formation. the team can revert from 4-5-1 to 4-4-2 if the midfield gets swamped. treacy an easily take the left back slot to allow Warnock into midfield, likewise with MGP.

Pompy are going to be sore, they may be a little deflated and tired but their crowd will lift them. They will have the battering ram that is Papa Diop, they have the speed in Traore and they have threats from Defoe and Crouch as well as the marauding full backs. But even with this, Pompy leave themsleves wide open at times. Rovers have the weaponry and players to exploit this IF he gets it right on the pitch.

If Rovers can keep the score level at half time, then Pompy will get ragged. If the inevitable early goal is conceded by Rovers, then I feel a drubbing coming on for the men from Ewood.

Its time to be stood up and counted

[PAFELL]

Well read the link- Warnock has spilled the beans that they are happening all the time and have been a constant feature of Ince's tenure.

Thanks and sorry, I must have missed that post - have now read it.

[imy9]

Sorry tgm, that article has been written with a very positive spin on it. I fear it could be the start of the lid really being blown off Paul Ince's Rovers by the media.

Criticise Ince when he has done something but that article has been manipulated to interpret something which is clearly not there.

There are arguments in squads up and down the country, there is not a club without them, that was the clear message from Warnock.

Read something funny earlier where John posted a link to Sammy Lee last year, some people (obviously not reading the article) thought Ince had said something negative and it was pounced on and Ince berated... yet again. Some balance in points is always nice to see

[PAFELL]

The penny will drop, eventually.

Rovers are going to hell in a handcart under Ince and are a sick travesty of the outfit Hughes handed over.

Maybe , but who realistically could Rovers appoint instead? As much as I also think Ince should go, I also consider that the players have a lot to answer for. Either Ince is not putting his points across to them or they are not listenning to him. If it is the latter then the players are at fault. They may not like Ince's methods, but Ince is the manager at the moment and therefore they should do what he wants them to do.

[imy9]

Well read the link- Warnock has spilled the beans that they are happening all the time and have been a constant feature of Ince's tenure.

Warnock did not "spill the beans", lovely manipulation of words again, he was asked a question and he answered it.

[philipl]

Warnock did not "spill the beans", lovely manipulation of words again, he was asked a question and he answered it.

Are you going to continue denying there are rows?

[imy9]

Are you going to continue denying there are rows?

Rows with who?

The manager? This has not been substantiated or confirmed.

My questions to you are:

1. In what manner did Warnock "spill the beans"?

2. Warnock stated that squabbles happen and they are resolved, does that sound like a unhappy camp?

3. Do arguments occur at other clubs in the country?

My issue Phillip is the way in which you conveniently manipulated Warnock's article to infer things that are not happening.

[philipl]

Rows with who?

The manager? This has not been substantiated or confirmed.

My questions to you are:

1. In what manner did Warnock "spill the beans"?

2. Warnock stated that squabbles happen and they are resolved, does that sound like a unhappy camp?

3. Do arguments occur at other clubs in the country?

My issue Phillip is the way in which you conveniently manipulated Warnock's article to infer things that are not happening.

Carry on hiding under the pillows pretending.

[imy9]

Carry on hiding under the pillows pretending.

You failed to address the questions, what a suprise

Maybe if you gave an opinion about what has actually happened, rather than things that have been created in your head after too many episodes of the X Files then you would not sound so ridiculous.

If you read my posts I never "hide under any pillows" as you put it, but likewise stoking non existant fires because I have ideas of grandeur is also something I do not do.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

There is one thing that confuses me on this MB.

When Ince was appointed he wasn't my first choice (Laudrup by a mile for me - but there you go).

However - when he was appointed, looking at his lower league record and the fact that he had been prepared to go to the lower leagues to serve an apprenticeship - I started to dare to hope.

I still hope and prey that he will turn it around - and bring Rovers success.

However - it is very apparent to me that there a large number of people that would prefer Ince to fail - even if it means leaving Rovers in the mire in the process.

Surely the best scenario is for Ince to turn things around in the same way that Fergie did at United ?

I am pragmatic about Ince - for me he has until xmas to turn things around, with the exclusion of Liverpool we have some winnable fixtures - if we are still bottom 3 - I am afraid he will have to go. But I still hope he does turn it around - why don't other people see it that way.

Some will claim that it is obvious that Ince isn't a good manager - but I don't see that as being as black and white as some people on here do. I keep asking the question - why do people have it in for Ince - personally I think many peoples minds were made up before he even took over the club - ill considered remarks made a decade ago seem to haunt him in many fans eyes - how blinkered are they ?

[T4E]

Maybe if you gave an opinion about what has actually happened, rather than things that have been created in your head after too many episodes of the X Files then you would not sound so ridiculous.

Philip provided a link with quotes from a player saying there had been rows. So what about that is in his head?

There have been rumours of these bust ups all season, infact before that, and the Paulettes have always rejected them due to the lack of direct quotes. Now they're there - but you still deny?

[Amo]

However - it is very apparent to me that there a large number of people that would prefer Ince to fail - even if it means leaving Rovers in the mire in the process.

One step backwards for two steps forward.

Surely the best scenario is for Ince to turn things around in the same way that Fergie did at United ?

But that doesn't look at all likely, and comparing Ince to Fergie is hilarious.

People want Ince out because the season so far has been a joke. We've gone from the a top seven side to a relegation shambles. Money has been wasted, and the squad has been weakened in the transfer market. This all comes down to Ince, I'm afraid, and for the sake of a club like ours we can't gamble on relegation.

[imy9]

Philip provided a link with quotes from a player saying there had been rows. So what about that is in his head?

There have been rumours of these bust ups all season, infact before that, and the Paulettes have always rejected them due to the lack of direct quotes. Now they're there - but you still deny?

Phillip said that Warnock had "spilled the beans" did Warnock do this?

He then moved on to say: "Sorry tgm, that article has been written with a very positive spin on it. I fear it could be the start of the lid really being blown off Paul Ince's Rovers by the media." X files conspiracy theory all over

I had an issue with Phillip and the way he manipulated what was said by Warnock.

There is another interview with Warnock TODAY and in it he states:

"The place is buzzing. Everyone might think it is a bit of morgue and quiet but it is really buoyant and lads are enjoying themselves," he said.

"There are a few characters in the team and you need players who are going to liven things up and have a few jokes and try to get the lads laughing and enjoying themselves again.

"But you also need lads who are serious on the training pitch and understand we need to work hard to get out of this.

The "Paulettes" (I assume you are referring to anyone willing to give Ince a try) I think had issue with the "mutiny" article in the Daily Mail which was clearly false and acknowledged as such by ANY Rovers player near a camera, i.e. Nelsen, Dunn, MGP and co, this article mentions arguments with players, is Ince mentioned anywhere, so I ask again is what Warnock said not happening at every club up and down the country?

https://www.shop.pipex.com/football/story/0...3935964,00.html

Exerts from the Mail, interesting piece about the "Unnamed player" does that match what Warnock has said? Does it mention players squablling with one another? So how is this similar to Warnocks article and the "Paulettes" denial?

[tony gale's mic]

However - it is very apparent to me that there a large number of people that would prefer Ince to fail - even if it means leaving Rovers in the mire in the process.

Surely the best scenario is for Ince to turn things around in the same way that Fergie did at United ?

I am pragmatic about Ince - for me he has until xmas to turn things around, with the exclusion of Liverpool we have some winnable fixtures - if we are still bottom 3 - I am afraid he will have to go. But I still hope he does turn it around - why don't other people see it that way.

Some will claim that it is obvious that Ince isn't a good manager - but I don't see that as being as black and white as some people on here do. I keep asking the question - why do people have it in for Ince - personally I think many peoples minds were made up before he even took over the club - ill considered remarks made a decade ago seem to haunt him in many fans eyes - how blinkered are they ?

How is this apparent? I can guarantee you that each and every person who bothers to post regularly on this board absolutely hates the position we are in right now and wants us to reach safety. We wouldn't bother otherwise.

We hope he turns it round but if we lose the next two games (which let's face it is very probable) then we'll be 3+ games from safety. That is serious stuff, and if we leave it till after Xmas then we'll have to spend January looking for a new manager and trying to sign new players which just isn't remotely practical? It's not that our minds were made up before he came, but for perfectly fair reasons we didn't think he had the neccessary experience needed for what is probably one of the hardest jobs in the Premier League. However, I think even most of us didn't think things would go this wrong, this soon.

[Tony Diamond Inc]

This is geting laughable.

I'm trying to distinguish which posters are genuinely worried (soft, football-ignorant jessies), and which ones have a deeper issue with Paul Ince (for whatever reason).

Could I also point you towards the Warnock article in todays LT, amongst other things he says even when the team was doing well, there were plenty of arguments. Don't suppose that fits with your paranoid vision of Rovers behind closed doors, does it Phil?

Ha ha!

Yes still loving the Rovers, and stll laughing at you lot

[The Prof.]

Tomorrows game will be the defining part of Paul Inces Rovers career. it is such a crucial game now having seen todays results go the way they have.

If one result shows just how dangerous a position we are in it is todays result of Sunderland and Bolton.

At Bolton, Rovers struggled and missed the chance of the game to take 3 points.

At Ewood, Rovers somehow contrived to fritter away 3 points against one of the poorest teams to ever grace the Ewood pitch in Sunderland.

Tomorrow, a Rovers win will take us out of the bottom 3 and give the club a little impetus for the cup game at old triffid midweek before the game against Liverpoo. It is clear for all to see, Ince has to put out a team that will fight tooth and nail, a team that will have to cope with an aerial bombardment in Crouch and a team that HAS to give its own strikers something to feed on. A draw is not going to be good enough 3 points is the be all and end all after todays results.

Phillip quite rightly points out we need at least 9 wins to survive this season. We have 12 games at home that consist of the following.

Liverpoo

Stoke

Man City

Newcastle

Bolton

Villa

Everton

Wham

Spuds

Wigan

Portsmouth and WBA.

With the exception of Man City (and I say exception because of the Brazilian/Ireland factor) and Liverpoo, we would expect to beat each and everyone of those teams, and should we do so we will survive. HOWEVER, such is the diatribe dished up at home I am now seriously concerned about our Premiership position.

A quick glimpse at the away fixtures sees manure, Liverpoo, Arsenal, Chelsea plus a plethora of midrate teams who again we should at least on paper, beat.

The season now starts at Fratton Park. If Ince can push his team to a victory we have a platform. Should we lose, for me, its game over for the season because the fight will be taken out of our team. January will be on us as soon as Xmas is over and you can bet the likes of Warnock and RSC will be off like a shot, leaving the club cash rich but worse off on the playing side.

The way to beat Pompy ?

Robinson

Simpson Samba Nelsen Warnock

Emerton Tugay Mokoena MGP

RSC McCarthy

subs: Andrews, Roberts, Brown, Treacy, Carlos, Derbyshire and Zurab

There is scope in that squad to get the result and to change it around. If Tugay struggles then there is no reason why McCarthy cannot drop back and bringing Roberts into the front 2, the same with Derbyshire. Carlos is a player that can play just behind the front 2 if we revert to a 4-3-3 formation. the team can revert from 4-5-1 to 4-4-2 if the midfield gets swamped. treacy an easily take the left back slot to allow Warnock into midfield, likewise with MGP.

Pompy are going to be sore, they may be a little deflated and tired but their crowd will lift them. They will have the battering ram that is Papa Diop, they have the speed in Traore and they have threats from Defoe and Crouch as well as the marauding full backs. But even with this, Pompy leave themsleves wide open at times. Rovers have the weaponry and players to exploit this IF he gets it right on the pitch.

If Rovers can keep the score level at half time, then Pompy will get ragged. If the inevitable early goal is conceded by Rovers, then I feel a drubbing coming on for the men from Ewood.

Its time to be stood up and counted

I'd put Emo at R/B and secure the defence but then we have no right winger. Still it's likely to be

Robinson

Simpson Nelson Samba Ouijer

Andrews Emo Warnock Pederson

Villanueva

RSC

This leaves us short at R/B for hight and pace, no Left back, No left sided penetration, No controlling influence in C/M, and no support for RSC up front.

It's what he's played before and my bet is will play it again -he's as stubborn as they come - if he does i'll start shouting out out out too. If I can see it...........

[Plastic Head]

Tomorrows game will be the defining part of Paul Inces Rovers career. it is such a crucial game now having seen todays results go the way they have.

If one result shows just how dangerous a position we are in it is todays result of Sunderland and Bolton.

At Bolton, Rovers struggled and missed the chance of the game to take 3 points.

At Ewood, Rovers somehow contrived to fritter away 3 points against one of the poorest teams to ever grace the Ewood pitch in Sunderland.

Tomorrow, a Rovers win will take us out of the bottom 3 and give the club a little impetus for the cup game at old triffid midweek before the game against Liverpoo. It is clear for all to see, Ince has to put out a team that will fight tooth and nail, a team that will have to cope with an aerial bombardment in Crouch and a team that HAS to give its own strikers something to feed on. A draw is not going to be good enough 3 points is the be all and end all after todays results.

Phillip quite rightly points out we need at least 9 wins to survive this season. We have 12 games at home that consist of the following.

Liverpoo

Stoke

Man City

Newcastle

Bolton

Villa

Everton

Wham

Spuds

Wigan

Portsmouth and WBA.

With the exception of Man City (and I say exception because of the Brazilian/Ireland factor) and Liverpoo, we would expect to beat each and everyone of those teams, and should we do so we will survive. HOWEVER, such is the diatribe dished up at home I am now seriously concerned about our Premiership position.

A quick glimpse at the away fixtures sees manure, Liverpoo, Arsenal, Chelsea plus a plethora of midrate teams who again we should at least on paper, beat.

The season now starts at Fratton Park. If Ince can push his team to a victory we have a platform. Should we lose, for me, its game over for the season because the fight will be taken out of our team. January will be on us as soon as Xmas is over and you can bet the likes of Warnock and RSC will be off like a shot, leaving the club cash rich but worse off on the playing side.

The way to beat Pompy ?

Robinson

Simpson Samba Nelsen Warnock

Emerton Tugay Mokoena MGP

RSC McCarthy

subs: Andrews, Roberts, Brown, Treacy, Carlos, Derbyshire and Zurab

There is scope in that squad to get the result and to change it around. If Tugay struggles then there is no reason why McCarthy cannot drop back and bringing Roberts into the front 2, the same with Derbyshire. Carlos is a player that can play just behind the front 2 if we revert to a 4-3-3 formation. the team can revert from 4-5-1 to 4-4-2 if the midfield gets swamped. treacy an easily take the left back slot to allow Warnock into midfield, likewise with MGP.

Pompy are going to be sore, they may be a little deflated and tired but their crowd will lift them. They will have the battering ram that is Papa Diop, they have the speed in Traore and they have threats from Defoe and Crouch as well as the marauding full backs. But even with this, Pompy leave themsleves wide open at times. Rovers have the weaponry and players to exploit this IF he gets it right on the pitch.

If Rovers can keep the score level at half time, then Pompy will get ragged. If the inevitable early goal is conceded by Rovers, then I feel a drubbing coming on for the men from Ewood.

Its time to be stood up and counted

This is all very passionate, interesting, optimistic etc... but the fact is this....

Our manager is not up to the job of keeping this club in the league.

Not only will we be relegated but we will finish bottom.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is not using the evidence of their eyes or does not have a good enough knowledge to make a judgement.

You can shout all you want but it won't make shlte players good nor will it improve us tactically.

Something can still be done...but it must be before xmas.

The worst thing a Rovers fan could do at present is cheer us enthusiastically into the championship.

[tonygreenbank]

Ince is being interviewed by Gaby Logan in Monday`s Inside Sport programme. Maybe another opportunity for the Ince haters to condemn perhaps his dress sense or compute how many times he says the "you know" words or how he laughs inanely at the league tables or whether he splits the infinitive too often. I am interested to hear what he has to say.

[LDRover]

Or maybe she'll just ask ' how have you managed to take a team that has been in the top half for the past three seasons into the bottom three in just 14 games'.

If that happens Tony, I'd be quite interested to hear what he says too.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Philip provided a link with quotes from a player saying there had been rows. So what about that is in his head?

There have been rumours of these bust ups all season, infact before that, and the Paulettes have always rejected them due to the lack of direct quotes. Now they're there - but you still deny?

What on earth are you going on about? Everyone agrees that rows happen all the time, everywhere, including Brockhall. Look at Wimbledon, who had the best team spirit in recent times - they used to batter each other senseless on the training field.

The issues with Philip's latest hysterical post is with his spin: blowing the lid etc etc.

We are all quite capable of drawing our own conclusions from our league position, quality of play and impact of signings. We don't need ludicrously blown out of proportion reports, endless bitching about everything that is reported on the Rovers or unquotes from mythical sources for 'the penny to drop'.

I think Ince should go, but I don't want to keep reading ridiculous anti-Ince propaganda the whole time form a handful of serial posters- it's pointless.

Let's just have one thread entitled "Everything Ince does or says is sh!t" for this stuff and then the rest of us can discuss boring things such as results, performances, tactics, selection etc. You know, the sort of thing we registered on here for in the first place.

[thenodrog]

Let's just have one thread entitled "Everything Ince does or says is sh!t" for this stuff and then the rest of us can discuss boring things such as results, performances, tactics, selection etc. You know, the sort of thing we registered on here for in the first place.

You still can eit. Just stay away from this one and start your own topic called 'results, performances, tactics, selection etc.' I thought you'd have sussed that after all this time.

[John]

Ince is being interviewed by Gaby Logan in Monday`s Inside Sport programme. Maybe another opportunity for the Ince haters to condemn perhaps his dress sense or compute how many times he says the "you know" words or how he laughs inanely at the league tables or whether he splits the infinitive too often. I am interested to hear what he has to say.

Laughing stock. That's what we have become.

Even Incey's friends don't rate him as a manager but poor old BRFC take the shyte.

[Iceman]

Where the (Please don't use that word again) is John Williams?

[John]

However, there is now a push for a change - although Ince may be reluctant to dump one of his own team and this could develop into a major dispute, resulting in Ince parting company.

[Paul]

However, there is now a push for a change - although Ince may be reluctant to dump one of his own team and this could develop into a major dispute, resulting in Ince parting company.

That article is nothing more than the usual People / other tabloids garbage. The writer, journalist would be too strong a word, has simply taken a few old stories rounded them up into one article and added a little unprovable rumour about a nerw coach - I suggested that three weeks ago!!

I'd suggest the only place to judge is on the pitch with your own eyes. The media love this, they have to sell content be it on TV or the back pages. I criticised Ince very heavily for the Sunderland performance, since then I've seen nothing to comment on so I've said nothing, unlike those determined to hound the man out of Lancashire.

edit to replace banned word with garbage!