[Archived] Paul Ince

[John]

That article is nothing more than the usual People / Other Tabloids Very Good. The writer, journalist would be too strong a word, has simply taken a few old stories rounded them up into one article and added a little unprovable rumour about a nerw coach - I suggested that three weeks ago!!

I'd suggest the only place to judge is on the pitch with your own eyes. The media love this, they have to sell content be it on TV or the back pages. I criticised Ince very heavily for the Sunderland performance, since then I've seen nothing to comment on so I've said nothing, unlike those determined to hound the man out of Lancashire.

Story is hardly a surpise. Our manager is a clown and completely out of his depth.

I hope we do well, but he is simply not upto the task.

[Sysagent]

And what on Earth does this mean:-

"The more games we can have the better and come the end of Christmas, we'll have an idea of where we are going to go."

What kind of statement of intent is that as a Premiership manager?

Totally clueless at this level he is...

As for the People article as they say "There's no smoke without fire", I reckon Ince is getting it in the neck about the quality of his questionable backroom staff, and his loyalty to them might be his undoing ultimately.

As for him trying to get money out the board well there's no surprise there, is there? Christ sakes (sorry Gumboots) who would trust giving Ince millions of pounds with his current performance and standard of players he has brought on-board (apart from Robo), if like has been rumoured he has been looking at signing the standard of the MK Dons goalkeeper what would you do in the boards position?

Exactly

[yoda]

Where the (Please don't use that word again) is John Williams?

You might find out after todays game!

[Majiball]

You might find out after todays game!

Hopefully in Moscow.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

For me he should have gone after the Sunderland game, that was the final straw for me. Last week and todays game are just wasted opportunities . If we can't get a result when Pompey played a massive as recently as Thursday when are we going to get a result ? Sunderland look like being in the same boat any time soon, looking for a new boss in a diminishing pool of talent.

[Exiled in Toronto]

You still can eit. Just stay away from this one and start your own topic called 'results, performances, tactics, selection etc.' I thought you'd have sussed that after all this time.

You mean like the Pompey review thread, or Philip's Ince Out Spurs preview?

[thenodrog]

However, there is now a push for a change - although Ince may be reluctant to dump one of his own team and this could develop into a major dispute, resulting in Ince parting company.

So the board think that the best way out and to save face is to bring in a new coach? Problem is that whoever they bring in to work with the players in a coaching facility the fact of the matter as I see it and as I commented in June is that Paul Ince is simply NOT a leader of men. Managers need to be intelligent, articulate and possess integrity and to an extent be distanced from their squad members. They need to be looked up to, respected and in even feared by the players. Sorry but accepting I'm obviously distanced from Brockhall I don't see any of those qualities in our man.

[tony gale's mic]

Problem is, it's very hard not to talk about results, tactics, performances and selections without slamming Ince...there's things very wrong with all four of those this season and there's one very big reason for that....

[yoda]

Hopefully in Moscow.

Just do it JW, you know it makes sense

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[Exiled in Toronto]

However, there is now a push for a change - although Ince may be reluctant to dump one of his own team and this could develop into a major dispute, resulting in Ince parting company.

It shouldn't have come to this.

Williams and Finn are completely responsible for this mess. Ince is who he is and they should have judged the man's character - hardly a difficult challenge - and either not appointed him or laid clear groundrules from the start.

While there's nothing wrong with taking a risk on someone untried but deemed to have potential, the oversight on his backroom staff appointments and transfer dealings should have begun at the interview and been closely monitored thereafter, with reins being loosened as results warranted.

Giving a novice a free hand was criminal, compounded by trying to wrestle back control now which makes their manager a lame duck. They should have the balls to admit their own mistakes and sack him. Or why do they earn 400,000+ between them?

But having said that, why would they do a better job next time?

[John]

EIT is right.

Of course Ince was going to accept the job. Premiership opportunities don't come along that often. He was surprised when he got it and said it himself. Lot of comments/anger at Ince on here, but he is only doing the job he was offered.

Anyway, this is a debate not for now, we have a big match coming up where we need to get at least a point.

[The Prof.]

However, there is now a push for a change - although Ince may be reluctant to dump one of his own team and this could develop into a major dispute, resulting in Ince parting company.

Doesn't this say it all!

No money, no leadership, no coaches worth the name, and now we'll have a hobbled manager with no clout. Back the bloke or sack him but don't undermine him.

Unfortunately I suspect this is true and we do now need someone at the club or even better the trust, to start banging the drum and making positive decisions. This looks like management by a very amateur committee with no one really in charge. Disaster looms. Lets have someone with the B@$$ to make a decision PLEASE!

[thenodrog]

But having said that, why would they do a better job next time?

Doesn't inspire confidence and is imo very worrying to discover that Ince was allegedly neck and neck with the 'Wally with the effin brolly' !!!!

When viewed in hindsight it's no bloody wonder that Allardyce allegedly blew a gasket with JW is it? How bloody insulting that must have been taking into account his record to find those two prix in front of him in the run in. Still in hindsight I guess Barwick was obviously just as inept.

[Sysagent]

EIT is right.

Of course Ince was going to accept the job. Premiership opportunities don't come along that often. He was surprised when he got it and said it himself. Lot of comments/anger at Ince on here, but he is only doing the job he was offered.

I recall saying exactly the same thing months ago, who can blame the guy?

The responsibility lies with them who employed him.

[JAL]

However, there is now a push for a change - although Ince may be reluctant to dump one of his own team and this could develop into a major dispute, resulting in Ince parting company.

This tale seems to back up philipl's story of player unrest.

See the league table that MKDons are going from strength to strength since Ince left obviously they havent missed him or their ex captain which says it all for me.

[RevidgeBlue]

"The ex-England midfielder does not understand why it is so difficult to access the trust fund left by former chairman Jack Walker."

I'll bet Mark Hughes didn't understand it either.

[RevidgeBlue]

This tale seems to back up philipl's story of player unrest.

See the league table that MKDons are going from strength to strength since Ince left obviously they havent missed him or their ex captain which says it all for me.

Hardly, the fact the author can't or wont specify the member of staff to be removed, makes the article come over as random and malicious ****stirring. Just like all of phillip's posts over the last few months since he decided he was opposed to Ince's appointment.

As for MK Dons, it looks from their continued success that Ince left good foundations in place there.

[gillibrand]

Would you trust an unqualified coach/manager with your crown jewels?

[philipl]

Sad to say, it looks like the media are getting at the underlying story, bit by bit.

Although, I don't think Ince recruiting new coaching staff is at the forefront of the board's thinking at the moment...

[RevidgeBlue]

Would you trust an unqualified coach/manager with your crown jewels?

If I was a Trustee I'd trust the manager we/my Chairman appointed with the Trust funding, yes. Or sack him.

Don't forget this wouldn't be my own personal wealth but funding specifically earmarked by the person who appointed me (Jack Walker) for the benefit of all Jack's businesses including Blackburn Rovers.

Anyway, Hughes had the same problem and I think he earned the right to a lot more support.

[1864roverite]

Hardly, the fact the author can't or wont specify the member of staff to be removed, makes the article come over as random and malicious ****stirring. Just like all of phillip's posts over the last few months since he decided he was opposed to Ince's appointment.

As for MK Dons, it looks from their continued success that Ince left good foundations in place there.

So its nowt to do with the fact that the manage is qualified, has a work ethic about him and consistently plays his players in the correct places and employs a formation that works for his team ?

[RevidgeBlue]

So its nowt to do with the fact that the manage is qualified, has a work ethic about him and consistently plays his players in the correct places and employs a formation that works for his team ?

(For the third time)

Obviously not, as they wouldn't back Hughes either.

[nicko]

If you look at the two line-ups today on paper Rovers are the better team.

Back them ht/ft double result.

[Amo]

They didn't need to back Hughes. He was doing a great job on the cheap, so they could keep their hands in their pockets. So it's ironic they gave more money to an unqualified manager this summer.

[1864roverite]

rev I am on about the consistent performances of MK Dons NOT hughes.