[Archived] Paul Ince

[RevidgeBlue]

He was a down to earth, old fashioned, no frills, take the man - then the ball if possible, they shall not pass centre half. He joined rovers in really troubled times and turned rovers dire defence around with sheer determination.

What era was that?

Remember John Mcnamee doing a very similar job when Ken Furphy first took over.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

1930's ?

[den]

Can't believe you lot don't remember John Coddington!

[Paul Mellelieu]

I think RevB is at least trying to stay level headed about our position: all is not lost and a win today have made a big difference. I continue to think that Ince is too big a risk in current circumstances, but the level of hysteria here is pretty poor. As for Jan, she needs to think before typing that kind of guff.

[47er]

Call me mad if you like but I am willing to back Paul Ince. Very tough start to his PL Career and frustrating and worrying times for Rovers. Next game Liverpool. However, it is after that game where we can start looking to pick up our points. It is a must to go through Decemeber with a minimum of 1 defeat!

We have the following teams coming up:

Liverpool

Wigan

Stoke

Sunderland

Man City

Fulham

Newcastle

Bolton

Boro

Villa

In them 10 games only Liverpool is a tough game. Other than that we know and i'm pretty damn sure that the players know they are capable of picking up points VS the other 9 teams. If we could pick up around 20-25 points out of them game that would hopefully leave us in a good position come the run in.

It isn't all doom and gloom yet. Well for some of you it may be, but me, i'm looking at the glass half full.

Interesting to see what happens!

Chin up!

I accept your invitation, you're completely bonkers. What could you possibly point to for an expected revival of those dimensions? We'd have to turn from relegation certainties to Champions League overnight!

[roverfanuk]

Hes rubbish!

Jimmy Cranky would do well at Chelsea with all that cash!

Big Sam or approach Billic(v. unlikely)

Didn't exactly spend allot considering the club he was at, he signed Nicolas Anelka, Branislav Ivanovic and Franco Di Santo who are still at Chelsea.

Lets remember that he was at Pompey as director of football for quite some time. Remember all the successes they had whilst he was there...

Also his record:

Team - From - To - Record

G - W - L - D - Win %

Hapoel Haifa - 1995 to 1996 - 30 - 19 - 4 - 7 - 63.3

Maccabi Haifa - 2000 to 2002 - 71 - 46 - 6 - 19 - 64.8

Israel - 2002 to 2005 - 33 - 14 - 6 - 13 - 42.4

Chelsea - 2007 to 2008 - 54 - 36 - 6 - 12 - 66.67

Sorryto say it but Ince must go

Perhaps we need facebook page to bring BFS in!

Why not, their is already several get Ince out groups:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=35090933165

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=26642549750

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34536218882

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17396873795

Oh and Big Sam for Rovers:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17565357425

(sorry, still cant bring myself to signup for it... )

[DE.]

Call me mad if you like but I am willing to back Paul Ince. Very tough start to his PL Career and frustrating and worrying times for Rovers. Next game Liverpool. However, it is after that game where we can start looking to pick up our points. It is a must to go through Decemeber with a minimum of 1 defeat!

We have the following teams coming up:

Liverpool

Wigan

Stoke

Sunderland

Man City

Fulham

Newcastle

Bolton

Boro

Villa

In them 10 games only Liverpool is a tough game. Other than that we know and i'm pretty damn sure that the players know they are capable of picking up points VS the other 9 teams. If we could pick up around 20-25 points out of them game that would hopefully leave us in a good position come the run in.

It isn't all doom and gloom yet. Well for some of you it may be, but me, i'm looking at the glass half full.

Interesting to see what happens!

Chin up!

Are you joking?

Very tough start to his PL career? Welcome to top flight management. He's not had it that bad.

'In them games only Liverpool is a tough game'. Yes, man City and Villa will be a doddle, right?

Liverpool - we aren't going to win this one.

Wigan - if Ince fails to win this one, he has to go.

Stoke - ditto.

Sunderland - ditto.

Man City - we will lose this one.

Fulham - we'll probably lose this one, though it is winnable.

Newcastle - draw.

Bolton - draw.

Boro - loss or draw likely, could win if Ince is gone by this point.

Villa - loss.

That's how, in reality, things will play out. That's more like around 9 - 12 points. If we got 20 - 25 it would be nothing short of a miracle.

[Hughesy]

And if he's not gone by 10.05 Monday, WILLIAMS OUT OUT OUT

I seem to recall in t'good owd days, we sang 'sack the board' a lot more than 'sack....(insert manager's name)'

I'm not sure why Williams himself is absolved from this.

He has let everyone down by taking such a huge risk on someone obviously not capable of doing the job, his blatant disregard for the coaching qualifications should have sent alarm bells ringing immediately. Williams has to get the next appointment right and restore his reputation, otherwise he's just as useless to us as Ince currently is.

Im sorry Guys but without Williams we would be in deep deep sh!t. He is great at looking after our club, every chairman gets an appointment wrong from time to time, but you could see why Ince was given the chance. Also Williams isnt the only one of the panel that recruited Ince, and he doesnt make the final decision either.

I agree Ince has to go. He was given 4 games prior to Tottenham, since then we have lost 2, with United & Liverpool up next. Time to go im afraid.

[Hughesy]

Nelsen's seriously gone backwards, and like I said about Samba one moment he's a giant the next he's giving goals away for fun. I think it's time those two were dropped and Ooijer & Zurab were given the green light.

Samba is much better when he doesnt have tossers playing alongside him. Nelsen is slow and sh!te, and Ooijer is just crap. Ooijer should never of played today, and we would of taken at least a point without him.

Interesting the re-set poll is now showing 92% to sack. I agree

[Paul]

I've never been convinced by Ince but the level of hysteria from 99% of the support is pathetic. Take a few deep breaths guys

[RevidgeBlue]

Samba is much better when he doesnt have tossers playing alongside him. Nelsen is slow and sh!te, and Ooijer is just crap. Ooijer should never of played today, and we would of taken at least a point without him.

Didn't see today's game Hughesey but agree totally. Samba spends half his time getting dragged out of position trying to cover for Nelsen/Ooijer because they're too slow.

[roverich]

Are you joking?

Very tough start to his PL career? Welcome to top flight management. He's not had it that bad.

'In them games only Liverpool is a tough game'. Yes, man City and Villa will be a doddle, right?

Liverpool - we aren't going to win this one.

Wigan - if Ince fails to win this one, he has to go.

Stoke - ditto.

Sunderland - ditto.

Man City - we will lose this one.

Fulham - we'll probably lose this one, though it is winnable.

Newcastle - draw.

Bolton - draw.

Boro - loss or draw likely, could win if Ince is gone by this point.

Villa - loss.

That's how, in reality, things will play out. That's more like around 9 - 12 points. If we got 20 - 25 it would be nothing short of a miracle.

I don't think the departure of Ince will make as big a difference as you seem to. Defoe simply embarrassed our defense to score today and this isn't Pro-Evo, Ince wasn't sat there telling Nelsen and Samba to do this and that, it was all them on that occasion. A change of manager can have a very unsettling effect on the squad and will someone who is asking for Ince to be removed from his position please suggest a suitable (and REALISTIC - i.e. Avram Grant is NOT a realistic option) replacement - the way I saw it the board spent sometime looking for Hughes' replacement this summer so I expect Ince was the best of the bunch, all be it a rather bad bunch, so why has this changed? Ditching Ince would probably leave Archie Knox in charge, at least temporarily, and the same people who are calling for Ince to go are also saying his backroom staff aren't up to scratch. I don't think there's anything to be done but stick with what we've got now and hopefully bring in at least a half decent midfielder (NOT from the lower leagues) this January to offer some creative thinking. I think it's time to start planning for the future and would someone please bang Warnock's head against a wall until he forgets what European football is because he if he still thinks that's a possibility then maybe our problem is complacency.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

I've never been convinced by Ince but the level of hysteria from 99% of the support is pathetic. Take a few deep breaths guys

...... And 3 more games,and then another 3, and..................

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

In times of need SG, send for this man:-

I wouldn't want him to take any penalties though.

[novella]

Didn't see today's game Hughesey but agree totally. Samba spends half his time getting dragged out of position trying to cover for Nelsen/Ooijer because they're too slow.

thats our main problem isnt it. we dont have one pacey player anywhere on the park. one pacey striker in behind our defence and its a goal. where as going forward we dont have someone who can nip in behind the defence and create chances. been our problem for years.

[DE.]

I don't think the departure of Ince will make as big a difference as you seem to. Defoe simply embarrassed our defense to score today and this isn't Pro-Evo, Ince wasn't sat there telling Nelsen and Samba to do this and that, it was all them on that occasion. A change of manager can have a very unsettling effect on the squad and will someone who is asking for Ince to be removed from his position please suggest a suitable (and REALISTIC - i.e. Avram Grant is NOT a realistic option) replacement - the way I saw it the board spent sometime looking for Hughes' replacement this summer so I expect Ince was the best of the bunch, all be it a rather bad bunch, so why has this changed? Ditching Ince would probably leave Archie Knox in charge, at least temporarily, and the same people who are calling for Ince to go are also saying his backroom staff aren't up to scratch. I don't think there's anything to be done but stick with what we've got now and hopefully bring in at least a half decent midfielder (NOT from the lower leagues) this January to offer some creative thinking. I think it's time to start planning for the future and would someone please bang Warnock's head against a wall until he forgets what European football is because he if he still thinks that's a possibility then maybe our problem is complacency.

It'll make a difference if we get a manager in who knows the premiership. Allardyce (IF he'd even come here) or Curbishly would be better options at this point. I can't believe I'm saying that, and it's quite saddening, but that's what I think. Say what you want about either of them, they know the premiership and know what it takes to survive in it. Ince does not, and we can't afford to be his learning curve.

Nothing I have seen from Ince - tactics, team selection, interviews, media interaction, signings - has convinced me he is anywhere near ready to manage in the PL.

Are you of the opinion no matter how many games he loses we should keep him as manager just for the sake of not disrupting the harmony of the club? If anything we NEED a shake up, our harmony is already faltering. The players do not play as a unit and although we fought back well today we should not have been two goals down in the first place. We need a manager who can make astute signings, read tactics well, handle the media without looking like a lost child, play players in their correct position and install BELIEF in our squad.

This is currently our worst run in the past 10 years, last time we were on a run this bad we got relegated.

Are you happy to watch Championship football next year?

[roverich]

It'll make a difference if we get a manager in who knows the premiership. Allardyce (IF he'd even come here) or Curbishly would be better options at this point. I can't believe I'm saying that, and it's quite saddening, but that's what I think. Say what you want about either of them, they know the premiership and know what it takes to survive in it. Ince does not, and we can't afford to be his learning curve.

Nothing I have seen from Ince - tactics, team selection, interviews, media interaction, signings - has convinced me he is anywhere near ready to manage in the PL.

Are you of the opinion no matter how many games he loses we should keep him as manager just for the sake of not disrupting the harmony of the club? If anything we NEED a shake up, our harmony is already faltering. The players do not play as a unit and although we fought back well today we should not have been two goals down in the first place. We need a manager who can make astute signings, read tactics well, handle the media without looking like a lost child, play players in their correct position and install BELIEF in our squad.

This is currently our worst run in the past 10 years, last time we were on a run this bad we got relegated.

Are you happy to watch Championship football next year?

Asking me if I'm happy to watch Championship football is a bit ignorant after reading my last point, I won't have a choice what I'm watching next year whether we keep Ince or not, it will be Championship opposition in my opinion - a change of management will not change our final standing because we don't have enough players good enough to play first team premiership football. I think the bottom line is that there are seventeen teams in this league who have a better first eleven than Rovers.

The majority of this board (represented by the polls held) were very much against Allardyce and Curbishley and thought Ince to be a much better option during the summer. I'm not saying you were one of them but that is what the polls indicated. Allardyce wouldn't take the job if he has a shred of self respect because it was taken away from him after many visits to Ewood when the fans reacted so badly to him being in the frame at all. I understand people now realising that Ince is not as good as hoped and has failed but why suggest we look at managers who we didn't believe were good enough during the summer? Have they had big successes with other clubs since? No.

[Kremmin]

Time's up Mr Ince.

You needed three points from Tottenham and Pompey, neither of whom are much chop, and got none.

Prior to that, a home loss to Sunderland who have since been made to look ordinary by Notlob.

Defence keeps leaking goals ... nothing on the wings and a 38-year-old who, God love him, is our best central midfielder.

Act now Rovers or it will be too late.

SACK!

[RevidgeBlue]

Defence keeps leaking goals ... nothing on the wings and a 38-year-old who, God love him, is our best central midfielder.

Devil's advocate mode once again:

Dunn's our best central midfielder, we haven't really seen Grella yet and it's not Ince's fault that St. Mark failed to replace Tugay season upon season upon season.

[Florida Rover]

I wouldn't want him to take any penalties though.

"He will be forever remembered for the longest run up to take a penalty yet hit with the least amount of venom.Even worse he was allowed to take it again because of an infringement and replicated the movement perfectly."

taken from Harry Berry's Blackburn Rovers FC Since 1945

[neekoy]

Devil's advocate mode once again:

Dunn's our best central midfielder, we haven't really seen Grella yet and it's not Ince's fault that St. Mark failed to replace Tugay season upon season upon season.

Why bother playing Devil's Advocate?

Seriously? The only reason for it is you think that with Dunn and Grella playing more regulary that is going to change everything around.

I know you honestly can't believe they will make much difference to the worst performaing Rovers side I have ever seen.

[FourLaneBlue]

Devil's advocate mode once again:

Dunn's our best central midfielder, we haven't really seen Grella yet and it's not Ince's fault that St. Mark failed to replace Tugay season upon season upon season.

Don´t you think that having to play devil´s advocate to defend Ince says it all Rev?

Seriously give it up...there is no way anybody can make a coherent defence of the Ince regime without just bringing up a load of excuses. Excuses do not wash in the Premiership and do not get you points. Souness proved that with his many whines.

Ince has to go and the longer JW takes over it the weaker he looks. The turning point for many was the Sunderland game as you could tell then we were really in the crapper and would most likely continue on a downward spiral. We have now kept on losing and have Man U and Liverpool to come.

Having tough games is not the fault of Ince...but the woeful performances and results in winnable games means we are in a relegation scrap and continually regressing performance-wise.

[eddiewac]

Doesn't look like he's going anywhere.........just yet

http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/tm_...-name_page.html

[Mr. E]

Ince is being made into a screpegoat. Who exactly do you want him to play? There is no secret combination another manager can unlock, we have to face the fact that a lot of our players are simply not good enough.

[2k.]

How can you say he's being made a scapegoat? he had plenty of opportunity during the summer to bring a right winger in but did sweet FA, just about everyone on this message board knew that's what we needed and were waiting for it to happen right up until the transfer deadline. Sadly Ince didn't seem to realise and appeared to just want to fill the team with central midfielders and Robbie bloody Fowler. We now we have a team with no balance, a defence playing with no confidence with defensive coach who lives in London and works a couple of sessions a week.

I could go on and on, but it's all been said before....